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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez exposes corrupt “orientation”

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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,203
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:


    When mockery reaches this sort of absurd threshold, it just tells me that people are afraid of her.
    I am across that someone this stupid can get elected by just promising purple free Shit.

    That should scare everyone.
    Every politician offers free shit. The difference is, who gets the free shit...
    How much did we add to the military this year? More than the total the government pays for food stamps. Chew on that.
    You're the champ of the apples to dogshit comparisons Hondo. Can you show me where Food Stamps are listed in the Constitution as a Federal responsibility?

    Are you finally brave enough to tell us if you consider Social Security or Medicare to be Welfare or you still in Kunt mode on that question?
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    What kind of jobs are you talking about? I can assure you that it's harmed the lower-wage earners. Remember when the City of Seattle and its disgraced pedophile Mayor paid UW to do a study on the effects of $15/hr, UW did the study and it didn't say what the city wanted it to say and the city ended up burying it?

    https://seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/

    Seattle’s minimum-wage law is boosting wages for a range of low-paid workers, but the law is causing those workers as a group to lose hours, and it’s also costing jobs, according to the latest study on the measure passed by the City Council in 2014.

    The report, by members of the University of Washington team studying the law’s impacts for the city of Seattle, is being published Monday as a working paper by a nonprofit think tank, the National Bureau of Economic Research.
    Damn, should have gone to page 2, oh well, I've cited this study and others so many times but @allpurpleallgold and honda have got their blinders on.
    It’s actually hilarious that you’re popping off in one thread about how you’ll pick a study apart and then linking to an article that picks the study you like apart.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,776 Swaye's Wigwam
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,776 Swaye's Wigwam

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    What kind of jobs are you talking about? I can assure you that it's harmed the lower-wage earners. Remember when the City of Seattle and its disgraced pedophile Mayor paid UW to do a study on the effects of $15/hr, UW did the study and it didn't say what the city wanted it to say and the city ended up burying it?

    https://seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/

    Seattle’s minimum-wage law is boosting wages for a range of low-paid workers, but the law is causing those workers as a group to lose hours, and it’s also costing jobs, according to the latest study on the measure passed by the City Council in 2014.

    The report, by members of the University of Washington team studying the law’s impacts for the city of Seattle, is being published Monday as a working paper by a nonprofit think tank, the National Bureau of Economic Research.
    Damn, should have gone to page 2, oh well, I've cited this study and others so many times but @allpurpleallgold and honda have got their blinders on.
    It’s actually hilarious that you’re popping off in one thread about how you’ll pick a study apart and then linking to an article that picks the study you like apart.
    Hahahaha JC

    From the article
    [The team concluded that the second jump had a far greater impact, boosting pay in low-wage jobs by about 3 percent since 2014 but also resulting in a 9 percent reduction in hours worked in such jobs. That resulted in a 6 percent drop in what employers collectively pay — and what workers earn — for those low-wage jobs.

    For an average low-wage worker in Seattle, that translates into a loss of about $125 per month per job.

    “If you’re a low-skilled worker with one of those jobs, $125 a month is a sizable amount of money,” said Mark Long, a UW public-policy professor and one of the authors of the report. “It can be the difference between being able to pay your rent and not being able to pay your rent.”

    The report also estimated that there are about 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs in the city than there would have been without the law.]
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"
    You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,776 Swaye's Wigwam
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"
    You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.
    1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.

    2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"
    You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.
    1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.

    2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
    Except with 50,000 new jobs in downtown, if you have reduced demand, you have a shitty business.

    And yes number 2 is a shot at those around here that think universities are liberals brainwashing the youth of the country.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,412
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"
    You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.
    1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.

    2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
    Except with 50,000 new jobs in downtown, if you have reduced demand, you have a shitty business.

    And yes number 2 is a shot at those around here that think universities are liberals brainwashing the youth of the country.
    I think your missing the fact that they would have more than 50,000 new jobs had the minimum wage not been hiked. I'm going to get my popcorn ready to see how the Seattle low wage job market will look like after the next economic downturn. Should be interesting...
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,776 Swaye's Wigwam

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"
    You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.
    1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.

    2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
    Except with 50,000 new jobs in downtown, if you have reduced demand, you have a shitty business.

    And yes number 2 is a shot at those around here that think universities are liberals brainwashing the youth of the country.
    I think your missing the fact that they would have more than 50,000 new jobs had the minimum wage not been hiked. I'm going to get my popcorn ready to see how the Seattle low wage job market will look like after the next economic downturn. Should be interesting...
    Statists will blame the free market for the inefficiency caused by government intervention and claim the solution is even moar government. Same as it ever was.

    Just go look at the medicare for all thread. It's the perfect example.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"
    You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.
    1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.

    2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
    Except with 50,000 new jobs in downtown, if you have reduced demand, you have a shitty business.

    And yes number 2 is a shot at those around here that think universities are liberals brainwashing the youth of the country.
    Even liberal universities understand simple economics...just another data point to show you are way off the deep end.

    HondoFS...
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    What kind of jobs are you talking about? I can assure you that it's harmed the lower-wage earners. Remember when the City of Seattle and its disgraced pedophile Mayor paid UW to do a study on the effects of $15/hr, UW did the study and it didn't say what the city wanted it to say and the city ended up burying it?

    https://seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/

    Seattle’s minimum-wage law is boosting wages for a range of low-paid workers, but the law is causing those workers as a group to lose hours, and it’s also costing jobs, according to the latest study on the measure passed by the City Council in 2014.

    The report, by members of the University of Washington team studying the law’s impacts for the city of Seattle, is being published Monday as a working paper by a nonprofit think tank, the National Bureau of Economic Research.
    Damn, should have gone to page 2, oh well, I've cited this study and others so many times but @allpurpleallgold and honda have got their blinders on.
    It’s actually hilarious that you’re popping off in one thread about how you’ll pick a study apart and then linking to an article that picks the study you like apart.
    Hahahaha JC

    From the article
    [The team concluded that the second jump had a far greater impact, boosting pay in low-wage jobs by about 3 percent since 2014 but also resulting in a 9 percent reduction in hours worked in such jobs. That resulted in a 6 percent drop in what employers collectively pay — and what workers earn — for those low-wage jobs.

    For an average low-wage worker in Seattle, that translates into a loss of about $125 per month per job.

    “If you’re a low-skilled worker with one of those jobs, $125 a month is a sizable amount of money,” said Mark Long, a UW public-policy professor and one of the authors of the report. “It can be the difference between being able to pay your rent and not being able to pay your rent.”

    The report also estimated that there are about 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs in the city than there would have been without the law.]
    Michael Reich, a UC Berkeley economics professor who was lead author on the Berkeley report, said he found the UW team’s report not credible for a number of reasons.

    He said the UW researchers’ “synthetic” Seattle model draws only from areas in Washington that are nothing like Seattle, and the report excludes multisite businesses, which employ a large percentage of Seattle’s low-paid workforce. The latter fact was also problematic, he said, because that meant workers who left single-site businesses to work at multisite businesses were counted as job losses, not job gains in the UW study.

    Reich also thought the $19 threshold was too low, and he said the UW researchers’ report “finds an unprecedented impact of wage increases on jobs, ten times more than in hundreds of minimum wage and non-minimum wage studies. … “There is no reason,” he said, that Seattle’s employers of low-paid workers “should be so much more sensitive to wage increases.”


    jajajajajaja jc
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,477 Founders Club

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    People should be paid more if they have skills that someone is willing to pay more for. Raising the price of labor by government force is counter productive. Also, it will never be enough.
    I agree with this. Its not up to the gubmint

    If you want to get paid more do not aspire to a career in an entry level job
    A few years ago Adam Carolla was discussing some activist who decried that a father could not raise his wife and four kids working the counter at McDonald's. To which Adam replied that McDonalds counter jobs were never intended to be a lifetime position which was meant to feed 6 people.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,477 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Color me shocked that the Seattle Times actually ran that piece.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Color me shocked that the Seattle Times actually ran that piece.
    Oh right. Cause Seattle times is only liberal. And your news source is fair and balanced.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited December 2018
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    If only the owner of this business actually ran a business... you fucking idiot.

    http://mynorthwest.com/491148/louisas-owner-seattle-too-expensive/?

    https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/eastlake-bakery-and-cafe-louisas-suddenly-closes/
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.

    Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.

    I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...

    How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
    Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.
    Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.

    Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
    UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs

    p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
    Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.

    It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
    If only the owner of this business actually ran a business... you fucking idiot.

    http://mynorthwest.com/491148/louisas-owner-seattle-too-expensive/?

    https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/eastlake-bakery-and-cafe-louisas-suddenly-closes/
    Did you read the article, she's making my exact point. 1) she said there was other ongoing issues. 2) she said the business isn't the type of business to bring in enough revenue.

    There's 50,000 new jobs downtown... If a $1 change in wages is what takes your business down, there's obviously other factors.

    You are better than that Mike.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,839 Standard Supporter
    edited December 2018
    @2001400ex So Hondo you pumped the burger flippers at your place to $15.00 an hour right? Or more since it has no impact.

    I'll bet money you pay them as little as possible.

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