Kyle Patterson, 3* 2019 TE, Gilbert (Perry), AZ (OFFERED - 12/2/18)
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Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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Dennis, poopsie, and anyone else who has next level insight into the stalking of young teen boys... what do y'all think of lubick?joeEDangerously said:
Groggy, Pow, Boner in that order for me.Dennis_DeYoung said:Boner, Paop and Bobby Greggy should be toast.
I pay enough attention to know who our top guys are and read articles with their comments about coaches and recruiting. Just enough to keep up with how we're trending. So I could be way off about the guy... but from everything I've seen heard and read, I've been pretty underwhelmed with Matt lubick.
Upon his arrival the concensus seemed to be : solid position coach, bright guy, and a hell of a recruiter. Quook fans were saying he was one of the best recruiters they had under slingblade. Oh... and that he has major recruiting ties in Texas that will pay dividends down the road.
At this point the Texas pipeline bullshit seems to be just that. As far as I'm concerned, jury's still out on his coaching thus far. The WR depth was lacking and there doesn't seem to be many big strides in that group. We signed 3 4star guys last winter in a position group that was widely considered our biggest question mark going into the season. It's pretty disappointing that none were able to flash enough to warrant playing over Jordan fucking Chin.
Sure, fuller improved. And so did bacellia. But other than that? Ty Jones showed flashes but the guy has enough talent that he'd get on the field no matter who was the position coach. And when I really think about it, the fact that Jones will be a Jr next year and produced only meh thus far, it has to be a disappointment. Considering his skill set.
Even more troubling is that Jones fellow 4star classmate Bynum has literally done Jack shit in two full years. Same with Cook who was supposed to be a high 3star guy... and who also is staring up at chincredible on the depth chart. Not positive signs.
Yet with the shitty depth he inherited, as well as a quarterback who shits his pants in the pocket and has made an art form of failing to see wide open receivers.Guess all I'm going on so far is circumstantial evidence; albeit very telling ones.
Now as far as recruiting... I was expecting a lot fucking more. His first class of Osborne spiker and Lowe is solid on paper. But lubick had nothing to do with Osborne's decision and I'm fairly certain spiker was coming here regardless. Not sure about Lowe tbh. But his brother decommitted from UW to Oregon and seems to have guided his little bro to not make the same mistake.
Now so far this class, we have a 3star WR who is ranked in the 100s at his position. And we've struck out on... basically fucking everybody. This decommit from the TCU MBA program seems like an intriguing prospect but the only reason we're chasing him is because it's last call, we're really fucked up, bar closes in 20 minutes, chicks have been turning us down all night, and we really just need pussy.
I also don't recall hearing lubicks name mentioned by any top recruits as being influential at all. So poopsie, is he working magic behind the scenes in TBSing? Just don't like what I'm seeing so far. At all. I'd rather keep Gregory than him at this point. I dunno. -
StrongArmCobra said:
Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "better talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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Yeah that's what I thought. I rest my case. Thanks for the personalized gif. I enjoy those.HillsboroDuck said:StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "better talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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No, it does not 100% equate. No one is arguing either of those things. The argument is that you play the percentages, and the percentages say late offers are less likely to be successful than earlier offers.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
Every coach is going to make some occasional late offers (i.e. Jayden Williams). It's one thing to make a late offer because you need one more player, it's another thing to make a late offer because you have gotten exactly zero people to commit.
You're the same person who argued we are too good to give a scholarship to Elijah Qualls 2.0 but now you're jacking off over getting a kid who we can maybe develop into a late draft pick if everything goes right. -
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Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
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Sixth - we wanted Ethan Rae as well.Baseman said:
He’s UW’s 5th choice. Foskey. Wolfe. Archer. Martinez..HTHStrongArmCobra said:@Baseman That's your problem. You think he's an inferior prospect because he has three-stars next to his name and would think he's superior if he had 4-stars. You have no mind of your own. You're a sheep following star rankings and jumping on a bandwagon. Look at Cade Otton's offer sheet. Drew Sample chose UW over offers from Boise State and Oregon State you fucking idiot. Will Dissly had zero Pac-12 offers until UW offered late. You can easily find NFL talent at TE that isn't rated 4-stars.
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He lost Ngata. Who was my favorite offensive recruit this year and my one true love. He should be Khasshogied.DugtheDoog said:
Dennis, poopsie, and anyone else who has next level insight into the stalking of young teen boys... what do y'all think of lubick?joeEDangerously said:
Groggy, Pow, Boner in that order for me.Dennis_DeYoung said:Boner, Paop and Bobby Greggy should be toast.
I pay enough attention to know who our top guys are and read articles with their comments about coaches and recruiting. Just enough to keep up with how we're trending. So I could be way off about the guy... but from everything I've seen heard and read, I've been pretty underwhelmed with Matt lubick.
Upon his arrival the concensus seemed to be : solid position coach, bright guy, and a hell of a recruiter. Quook fans were saying he was one of the best recruiters they had under slingblade. Oh... and that he has major recruiting ties in Texas that will pay dividends down the road.
At this point the Texas pipeline bullshit seems to be just that. As far as I'm concerned, jury's still out on his coaching thus far. The WR depth was lacking and there doesn't seem to be many big strides in that group. We signed 3 4star guys last winter in a position group that was widely considered our biggest question mark going into the season. It's pretty disappointing that none were able to flash enough to warrant playing over Jordan fucking Chin.
Sure, fuller improved. And so did bacellia. But other than that? Ty Jones showed flashes but the guy has enough talent that he'd get on the field no matter who was the position coach. And when I really think about it, the fact that Jones will be a Jr next year and produced only meh thus far, it has to be a disappointment. Considering his skill set.
Even more troubling is that Jones fellow 4star classmate Bynum has literally done Jack shit in two full years. Same with Cook who was supposed to be a high 3star guy... and who also is staring up at chincredible on the depth chart. Not positive signs.
Yet with the shitty depth he inherited, as well as a quarterback who shits his pants in the pocket and has made an art form of failing to see wide open receivers.Guess all I'm going on so far is circumstantial evidence; albeit very telling ones.
Now as far as recruiting... I was expecting a lot fucking more. His first class of Osborne spiker and Lowe is solid on paper. But lubick had nothing to do with Osborne's decision and I'm fairly certain spiker was coming here regardless. Not sure about Lowe tbh. But his brother decommitted from UW to Oregon and seems to have guided his little bro to not make the same mistake.
Now so far this class, we have a 3star WR who is ranked in the 100s at his position. And we've struck out on... basically fucking everybody. This decommit from the TCU MBA program seems like an intriguing prospect but the only reason we're chasing him is because it's last call, we're really fucked up, bar closes in 20 minutes, chicks have been turning us down all night, and we really just need pussy.
I also don't recall hearing lubicks name mentioned by any top recruits as being influential at all. So poopsie, is he working magic behind the scenes in TBSing? Just don't like what I'm seeing so far. At all. I'd rather keep Gregory than him at this point. I dunno. -
Mostly true.NorwegianHusky said:
Bruh. Everyone here loved Rapp despite his star rating. Same with Gaines. Same with Dom Hampton. Gaskin. Many others. That's not the point. The point is that Paopao hasn't been able to get the the guys we offered first, I.E. the guys we want most. Taylor Rapp was not option #7. Neither was Greg Gaines.StrongArmCobra said:
Whether the displeasure of the Petterson offer is because of his star rating or because he is a late offer after whiffing on others, I have made substantial arguments against both of those lines of thinking. Star rating does not 100% equate to talent (Taylor Rapp, Will Dissly, Greg Gaines, etc). Late offers after whiffing on others does not 100% equate to lesser talent (Joe Tryon).Domicillo said:
NOBODY IS USING STAR RATINGS IN THEIR ARGUMENT BUT YOU!StrongArmCobra said:Oh, so nobody has a substantive response to any of the points that I made? You would prefer Jude Wolfe over WIll Dissly? Hunter Echols over Joe Tryon? Yeah, didn't think so. There is no argument against mine because the facts are my side so shut the fuck up. If you're gonna bitch about this offer then don't ever say shit about how much you love lowly, back up plan, 3-star Cade Otton. You don't get to love Taylor Rapp because he was a lighly recruited 3-star. If it was up to you, UW would have taken a 4-star safety over him because "more talent getting developed by this staff is better". You can't have it both ways.
OTOH, your first post on Dom Hampton:I think this "we can coach anyone talller than 6' into a superstar given enough time" bullshit needs to die. It's not been true for the Seahawks, and it probably won't be true for the Huskies when Lake leaves to be the head coach of the West Dakota Beaver Fuckers or whatever.
Also, Hampton is nowhere near as athletic as Jordan Miller. He's got pretty good length (I might give him 6'1" with decently long arms), but he's pretty skinny and not all that fast. Then again I basically described Sidney Jones so what the fuck do I know.
You also said this:Not a fan tbh. Kentrell Love's hudl is straight up porn compared to this kid. If we still get Gordon and Irvin it's kind of whatever but I feel like we should aim much higher than this.
Who cares how tall he is when his hudl puts you to sleep? This whole tall corner fad is bullshit anyway. Pete Carroll somehow convinced himself that the only reason he couldn't play in the pros is because he's short, so he drafted a bunch of tall corners, exactly one of which turned out good.
Get good players first. After that you can care about what traits you want.
Also, this:
Lots of people here hated Hampton at first. Doesn't change the larger point, but there's a reason he's #MyHampton and will always be #MyHampton.
