Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
Scots like twothree things -being tight asses with $$$, drinking and fighting.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
The south also had a hell of lot more motivation. The best northern motivation was "the war to free the slaves" which didn't directly impact the lives of any of the northern soldiers, most of whom were somewhere on the scale between "dislike blacks" and "hate n*****" themselves.
The southern soldiers had homeland, pride, loyalty and economic motivations, even the majority of soldiers who were poor (who may have been poor but they were a huge step above slaves). They also had home field advantage for the vast majority of the events.
Motivation and home field is a huge combo in war. It's why the US won the Revolutionary War and the commies won 'Nam.
It wasn't enough for the dumbfucks from the south though.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
Scots like two things - drinking and fighting.
I'm 1/8 Scots. I love drinking but haven't punched someone since HS.
The Tug is a substitute for real violence
When you "fuck you" somebody in the tug, you'd better be ready for a real fight (over the internet), and sometimes even a threat for a 7-11 throw-down. The one on Aurora by the U District.
The Tug is only appropriate for the truly TUFF! amongst us.
I appreciate any and all attempts to mix things up in the Tug. Politics gets tiresome.
I haven’t read Chernow’s Grant biography yet but I enjoyed both his Washington and Hamilton books.
Grant has always been one of my favorite figures in history. People love to say that he wasn’t as good of a general as Lee - that he merely won because of superior numbers he tirelessly threw at the Confederates (Mary Todd Lincoln called him a butcher for all the Union casualties he racked up), but I think he did some impressive work in his field victories in the West that this criticism is unfair. As to his Presidency, I think he inherited a bit of shit show and was (much like our dear Chris Petersen) too loyal to the wrong people.
Anyone who wants a good TLDR review of Chernow’s book and Grant’s life venture here:
Oh, and read Grant’s memoirs if you get a chance, even if it’s an annotated copy. He’s actually an excellent writer, concise yet engaging.
I have spent some time at the War College getting learned up about wars and shit. Most true experts believe Lee was on balance a much better strategic and tactical General than Grant. But, Lee made mistakes. He wasn't perfect. Still, he is generally regarded as one of the finest Generals this country has ever produced by true experts. I will say in my Civil War class the Prof did mention that Grant was nowhere near as bad as some tales have made him out to be though. He was a good General - he was just pitted against one of the finest military minds of an era.
But to Yella's point he did well understand the realities of this war - he knew Lee was a damn genius, but he also knew he was aggressive, believed in his own genius, and was running out of troops, food, bullets, boots...everything. Hell, Lee knew it as well. That war was over when the Union didn't give up after Second Bull Run. The only chance the South and Lee ever had was getting the Union to sue for peace early.
Lee was stellar though - winning at Bull Run, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, Deep Bottom (lulz), Overland, etc. Just huge wins, and even in his strategic losses he almost always found a way to keep going, which was a minor miracle given the differences in fighting strength and supply.
Lee for the most part was the best tactician of the war, excluding some bad play calling like Picket's charge. In terms of an overall strategist for the Confederate cause, I think he was lacking. There was too much emphasis on holding ground in Virginia (is for lovers like @dnc) and keeping Richmond as the capital while the Federales managed to run rough shod in the West.
Someday I will hit you up when I'm out there to tour some battlefields.
What in the world was the South thinking making Richmond their capital anyway? Why would you put your capital as close as possible to Union territory? Wouldn't Atlanta have made more sense? Or Birmingham?
Richmond as capital meant the margin for error in the east was about as slim as possible. You were either going to lose your capital or have to expend an inordinate amount of resources to protect it.
I understand the South was (is) mostly a bunch of dumbfucks but that seems like they were kind of just axing for it.
Virginia was the most important state in the CSA in terms of population, industry (e.g., Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond), etc. But still, Richmond was a poor strategic choice for their Capital.
Agree, Richmond was a poor choice, but I didn't think Lee had anything to do with choosing the capital? To your point, Lee was FORCED to defend Virginia an inordinate amount precisely because they put the capital there. Lee executed an amazing strategy considering what he was stuck with. 1/3 the industry of the North, a less educated soldiery, no Navy, blockaded everywhere, and no chance for significant campaigns in the north due to the need to protect Richmond at all costs. It was a shitty way to fight a war, and he still kicked ass for most of it.
Lee was the Chris Petersen of Civil War generals. He generally had great defenses and had some nice wins at Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, defense of Richmond in 1862, etc. However, he choked in the really big games at Antietam and Gettysburg. Sure he had a lot of disadvantages in terms of depth but this vile filth bored values win or GTFO above all else.
Let's take this further. Lee is like Peterman but with a better coaching staff. Stonewall, Cleburne and Forrest! That's some shit right there. I mean Grant had Sherman, but Cleburne whooped Sherman's ass at the Battle of Missionary (lulz) Ridge. The South had a bunch of rednecks, but damn if they didn't have some Generals.
And yeah, Lee is sort of like Peterman, trying to eek the most he could out of try hards but eventually Bama rolled in and squished him with lots of black dudes.
Is there is a more hillbilly name than Cleburne? Maybe Clettus, but that's the only one I can think of.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
The smart kids in the NE at that time had Harvard and Yale and several other options, so it wattered down the pool at West Point. The smart kids in the souf, all five of them, had to go to West Point. Vandy and Duke didn't even exist. There was nowhere else besides UVa, but that's public school for commoners.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
The smart kids in the NE at that time had Harvard and Yale and several other options, so it wattered down the pool at West Point. The smart kids in the souf, all five of them, had to go to West Point. Vandy and Duke didn't even exist. There was nowhere else besides UVa, but that's public school for commoners.
Correct on Vandy. Duke existed it just wasn't called Duke yet.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
The south also had a hell of lot more motivation. The best northern motivation was "the war to free the slaves" which didn't directly impact the lives of any of the northern soldiers, most of whom were somewhere on the scale between "dislike blacks" and "hate n*****" themselves.
The southern soldiers had homeland, pride, loyalty and economic motivations, even the majority of soldiers who were poor (who may have been poor but they were a huge step above slaves). They also had home field advantage for the vast majority of the events.
Motivation and home field is a huge combo in war. It's why the US won the Revolutionary War and the commies won 'Nam.
It wasn't enough for the dumbfucks from the south though.
Well, that and the French. In that regard, some believe the single most important battle was the victory at Saratoga, which convinced the French that the pasty English were beatable.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
The south also had a hell of lot more motivation. The best northern motivation was "the war to free the slaves" which didn't directly impact the lives of any of the northern soldiers, most of whom were somewhere on the scale between "dislike blacks" and "hate n*****" themselves.
The southern soldiers had homeland, pride, loyalty and economic motivations, even the majority of soldiers who were poor (who may have been poor but they were a huge step above slaves). They also had home field advantage for the vast majority of the events.
Motivation and home field is a huge combo in war. It's why the US won the Revolutionary War and the commies won 'Nam.
It wasn't enough for the dumbfucks from the south though.
Well, that and the French. In that regard, some believe the single most important battle was the victory at Saratoga, which convinced the French that the pasty English were beatable.
Sure. But the frogs were smart enough to realize the Confederates couldn't win even with their help.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
The south also had a hell of lot more motivation. The best northern motivation was "the war to free the slaves" which didn't directly impact the lives of any of the northern soldiers, most of whom were somewhere on the scale between "dislike blacks" and "hate n*****" themselves.
The southern soldiers had homeland, pride, loyalty and economic motivations, even the majority of soldiers who were poor (who may have been poor but they were a huge step above slaves). They also had home field advantage for the vast majority of the events.
Motivation and home field is a huge combo in war. It's why the US won the Revolutionary War and the commies won 'Nam.
It wasn't enough for the dumbfucks from the south though.
Well, that and the French. In that regard, some believe the single most important battle was the victory at Saratoga, which convinced the French that the pasty English were beatable.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
The smart kids in the NE at that time had Harvard and Yale and several other options, so it wattered down the pool at West Point. The smart kids in the souf, all five of them, had to go to West Point. Vandy and Duke didn't even exist. There was nowhere else besides UVa, but that's public school for commoners.
Correct on Vandy. Duke existed it just wasn't called Duke yet.
And wasn't worth a shit. One of my Dad's old partners went to Duke. At the time I was applying to college he tried talking me into applying there. It was starting to become pretty elite, but nothing like it is now. He used to joke that he "rode that elevator up quite by accident," in that when he went there the smart kids went to Chapel Hill and the wealthy underachievers went to Duke. Kind of like the USC/UCLA thing.
Duke literally convened their leadership one day and said, "We want a top ten law school, biz school and medical school," they set out to do it and by God they did. They bought their way into prestige and their "brand" soared almost out of nowhere. But not that long ago, Duke wasn't that big of a deal, and I'd guess that pre-80s, nobody put it on the same level with Vandy. Now, it's a full click above Vandy in most respects and is a complete substitute for a mid-level Ivy League school. Better than Cornell and Brown and maybe Dartmouth, but still behind the rest.
There are still old-line New England types that sneer at Duke as the most nouveau riche of elite academis. We live in a weird society.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
The smart kids in the NE at that time had Harvard and Yale and several other options, so it wattered down the pool at West Point. The smart kids in the souf, all five of them, had to go to West Point. Vandy and Duke didn't even exist. There was nowhere else besides UVa, but that's public school for commoners.
Correct on Vandy. Duke existed it just wasn't called Duke yet.
And wasn't worth a shit. One of my Dad's old partners went to Duke. At the time I was applying to college he tried talking me into applying there. It was starting to become pretty elite, but nothing like it is now. He used to joke that he "rode that elevator up quite by accident," in that when he went there the smart kids went to Chapel Hill and the wealthy underachievers went to Duke. Kind of like the USC/UCLA thing.
Duke literally convened their leadership one day and said, "We want a top ten law school, biz school and medical school," they set out to do it and by God they did. They bought their way into prestige and their "brand" soared almost out of nowhere. But not that long ago, Duke wasn't that big of a deal, and I'd guess that pre-80s, nobody put it on the same level with Vandy. Now, it's a full click above Vandy in most respects and is a complete substitute for a mid-level Ivy League school. Better than Cornell and Brown and maybe Dartmouth, but still behind the rest.
There are still old-line New England types that sneer at Duke as the most nouveau riche of elite academis. We live in a weird society.
Yes. "Duke wasn't worth a shit yet" is more true than "Duke didn't exist".
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
The south also had a hell of lot more motivation. The best northern motivation was "the war to free the slaves" which didn't directly impact the lives of any of the northern soldiers, most of whom were somewhere on the scale between "dislike blacks" and "hate n*****" themselves.
The southern soldiers had homeland, pride, loyalty and economic motivations, even the majority of soldiers who were poor (who may have been poor but they were a huge step above slaves). They also had home field advantage for the vast majority of the events.
Motivation and home field is a huge combo in war. It's why the US won the Revolutionary War and the commies won 'Nam.
It wasn't enough for the dumbfucks from the south though.
Well, that and the French. In that regard, some believe the single most important battle was the victory at Saratoga, which convinced the French that the pasty English were beatable.
Of course, we don't have to speculate. We could ask Race ... you know why.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
The smart kids in the NE at that time had Harvard and Yale and several other options, so it wattered down the pool at West Point. The smart kids in the souf, all five of them, had to go to West Point. Vandy and Duke didn't even exist. There was nowhere else besides UVa, but that's public school for commoners.
Correct on Vandy. Duke existed it just wasn't called Duke yet.
And wasn't worth a shit. One of my Dad's old partners went to Duke. At the time I was applying to college he tried talking me into applying there. It was starting to become pretty elite, but nothing like it is now. He used to joke that he "rode that elevator up quite by accident," in that when he went there the smart kids went to Chapel Hill and the wealthy underachievers went to Duke. Kind of like the USC/UCLA thing.
Duke literally convened their leadership one day and said, "We want a top ten law school, biz school and medical school," they set out to do it and by God they did. They bought their way into prestige and their "brand" soared almost out of nowhere. But not that long ago, Duke wasn't that big of a deal, and I'd guess that pre-80s, nobody put it on the same level with Vandy. Now, it's a full click above Vandy in most respects and is a complete substitute for a mid-level Ivy League school. Better than Cornell and Brown and maybe Dartmouth, but still behind the rest.
There are still old-line New England types that sneer at Duke as the most nouveau riche of elite academis. We live in a weird society.
If Nixon had gone to Harvard Law instead of Duke, Watergate would never have happened.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
I think there is truth to this. I am guessing but my guess is the South has provided more troops for most of our wars
Scots like two things - drinking and fighting.
I'm 1/8 Scots. I love drinking but haven't punched someone since HS.
Didn't the South officers train at West Point by and large pre war?
So they only won with the North's training
This is true. It just somehow worked out that 75% of the really good Cadets came from the South. I think it might have been because those southern boys were like TUFF logger liberals, and the NE was already producing fancy pants fags, but that's just a guess.
The smart kids in the NE at that time had Harvard and Yale and several other options, so it wattered down the pool at West Point. The smart kids in the souf, all five of them, had to go to West Point. Vandy and Duke didn't even exist. There was nowhere else besides UVa, but that's public school for commoners.
Correct on Vandy. Duke existed it just wasn't called Duke yet.
And wasn't worth a shit. One of my Dad's old partners went to Duke. At the time I was applying to college he tried talking me into applying there. It was starting to become pretty elite, but nothing like it is now. He used to joke that he "rode that elevator up quite by accident," in that when he went there the smart kids went to Chapel Hill and the wealthy underachievers went to Duke. Kind of like the USC/UCLA thing.
Duke literally convened their leadership one day and said, "We want a top ten law school, biz school and medical school," they set out to do it and by God they did. They bought their way into prestige and their "brand" soared almost out of nowhere. But not that long ago, Duke wasn't that big of a deal, and I'd guess that pre-80s, nobody put it on the same level with Vandy. Now, it's a full click above Vandy in most respects and is a complete substitute for a mid-level Ivy League school. Better than Cornell and Brown and maybe Dartmouth, but still behind the rest.
There are still old-line New England types that sneer at Duke as the most nouveau riche of elite academis. We live in a weird society.
Yes. "Duke wasn't worth a shit yet" is more true than "Duke didn't exist".
In my world, if you're not worth a shit, you don't exist.
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The southern soldiers had homeland, pride, loyalty and economic motivations, even the majority of soldiers who were poor (who may have been poor but they were a huge step above slaves). They also had home field advantage for the vast majority of the events.
Motivation and home field is a huge combo in war. It's why the US won the Revolutionary War and the commies won 'Nam.
It wasn't enough for the dumbfucks from the south though.
The Tug is only appropriate for the truly TUFF! amongst us.
Duke literally convened their leadership one day and said, "We want a top ten law school, biz school and medical school," they set out to do it and by God they did. They bought their way into prestige and their "brand" soared almost out of nowhere. But not that long ago, Duke wasn't that big of a deal, and I'd guess that pre-80s, nobody put it on the same level with Vandy. Now, it's a full click above Vandy in most respects and is a complete substitute for a mid-level Ivy League school. Better than Cornell and Brown and maybe Dartmouth, but still behind the rest.
There are still old-line New England types that sneer at Duke as the most nouveau riche of elite academis. We live in a weird society.
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