Anyone read Ron Chernow's recent bio of U.S. Grant yet?

YellowSnow

Only to 1862 so far, but skrong recommend. His biography of Worshington was excellent as well. That Ulysses Grant was a fighter and knew how to win.

RaceBannon

Grant was a failure and a drunk at everything but war

I always liked that about him

YellowSnow

RaceBannon said:

Grant was a failure and a drunk at everything but war

I always liked that about him

You'd like this one Race. He wasn't a drunk most of the time. Rather, he generally was a tee totaler who got really hammered on occasion when he was stressed out.

HillsboroDuck

Dude won the war and the presidency.

Winners win.

YellowSnow

HillsboroDuck said:

Dude won the war and the presidency.

Winners win.

He had way more depth than Lee and was far better at big picture strategy than him.

CirrhosisDawg

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

YellowSnow

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

I want us to raise ourselves from being just a bored of vile filth that Derek created.

SFGbob

It's on my list. Still in the middle of Niall Ferguson - Empire: The Rise and Demise of the British World Order and the Lessons for Global Power

creepycoug

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

I want us to raise ourselves from being just a bored of vile filth that Derek created.

Good luck rowboat. You're a man of honor; but alas you are also a dreamer.

YellowSnow

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

I want us to raise ourselves from being just a bored of vile filth that Derek created.

Good luck rowboat. You're a man of honor; but alas you are also a dreamer.

With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan -- to achieve and cherish a lasting peace among ourselves and with the world. to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with the world. all nations.

CirrhosisDawg

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

I want us to raise ourselves from being just a bored of vile filth that Derek created.

Good luck rowboat. You're a man of honor; but alas you are also a dreamer.

With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan -- to achieve and cherish a lasting peace among ourselves and with the world. to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with the world. all nations.

Relic of the past.
Foreshadowing of the future.

RaceBannon

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

I want us to raise ourselves from being just a bored of vile filth that Derek created.

Good luck rowboat. You're a man of honor; but alas you are also a dreamer.

Two of the biggest morons that fag out this bored

HillsboroDuck

YellowSnow said:

HillsboroDuck said:

Dude won the war and the presidency.

Winners win.

He had way more depth than Lee and was far better at big picture strategy than him.

And he was on the right side of history. That always helps.

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

I want us to raise ourselves from being just a bored of vile filth that Derek created.

Good luck rowboat. You're a man of honor; but alas you are also a dreamer.

Two of the biggest morons that fag out this bored

Fuck off idiot. Clearly under your skin; so much struggle with people who don't agree with you. Such fag.

Strap into your wheelchair before you hurt yourself.

RaceBannon

Make me Deener

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

Make me Deener

Fuck off Bear.

Doog_de_Jour

I appreciate any and all attempts to mix things up in the Tug. Politics gets tiresome.

I haven’t read Chernow’s Grant biography yet but I enjoyed both his Washington and Hamilton books.

Grant has always been one of my favorite figures in history. People love to say that he wasn’t as good of a general as Lee - that he merely won because of superior numbers he tirelessly threw at the Confederates (Mary Todd Lincoln called him a butcher for all the Union casualties he racked up), but I think he did some impressive work in his field victories in the West that this criticism is unfair. As to his Presidency, I think he inherited a bit of shit show and was (much like our dear Chris Petersen) too loyal to the wrong people.

Anyone who wants a good TLDR review of Chernow’s book and Grant’s life venture here:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/02/pour-one-out-for-ulysses-s-grant

Oh, and read Grant’s memoirs if you get a chance, even if it’s an annotated copy. He’s actually an excellent writer, concise yet engaging.

MikeDamone

No

YellowSnow

Doog_de_Jour said:

I appreciate any and all attempts to mix things up in the Tug. Politics gets tiresome.

I haven’t read Chernow’s Grant biography yet but I enjoyed both his Washington and Hamilton books.

Grant has always been one of my favorite figures in history. People love to say that he wasn’t as good of a general as Lee - that he merely won because of superior numbers he tirelessly threw at the Confederates (Mary Todd Lincoln called him a butcher for all the Union casualties he racked up), but I think he did some impressive work in his field victories in the West that this criticism is unfair. As to his Presidency, I think he inherited a bit of shit show and was (much like our dear Chris Petersen) too loyal to the wrong people.

Anyone who wants a good TLDR review of Chernow’s book and Grant’s life venture here:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/02/pour-one-out-for-ulysses-s-grant

Oh, and read Grant’s memoirs if you get a chance, even if it’s an annotated copy. He’s actually an excellent writer, concise yet engaging.

It brings me much joy that our only real female poaster now the UO Duck Girl is gone is a true ladie and scholar.

Grant was brilliant in the West- e.g., Vicksburg. In VA he grasped that it would save more lives in the long run to win once and for all. He was good at Maff n stuff and knew that Lee couldn't replace his losses. Sometimes war is a battle of attrition and the sooner you can end it the better.

MikeDamone

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

Are you sure the tug is the right place to post about a history book? Any book? At all?

I want us to raise ourselves from being just a bored of vile filth that Derek created.

Good luck rowboat. You're a man of honor; but alas you are also a dreamer.

Two of the biggest morons that fag out this bored

Fuck off idiot. Clearly under your skin; so much struggle with people who don't agree with you. Such fag.

Strap into your wheelchair before you hurt yourself.

You seem extra angry and triggered lately. Everything Ok?

BennyBeaver

Read?