It's Brohm's offense at Purdue to start with ... and you're talking about the same Purdue team that scored 13 points yesterday
I may be an idiot, but I look like Einstein compared to you. Ask anyone.
On Purdue, I didnt see their score yesterday so Ill concede that point. I did see them take Ohio State to the woodshed with balance. Brohm doesnt call the plays.
Ohio State's defense is a disaster ...
I like Purdue and what they are doing a lot ... but I'm not sure going full spread is the answer for where we are as a program.
Im a fan of power spreads like what chip did at Oregon. Running out of the spread and incorporating TEs that can catch into that scheme is tough to stop.
It's also not overly complicated horseshit.
I am also. It's a run first philosophy and seems to scheme open receivers including a lot of TE throws. Unfortunately it wouldn't really suit Eason. More a Yankoff style. Can't see it with Sirmon, Morris and possibly Huard.
You dont need a running QB to do spread varients. When this offense is at it's best this year we are spreading the field and running Gaskin or finding the open receiver.
The problem with this offense we have now is it takes things from spread, west coast, pro style, power, boise state motion, trickeration...but everything is half baked. Stick to one or two things and do them well.
Yeah I agree with that. There is no identity. But Chip's spread was always better with QB's that could run. I can't think of one who couldn't.
The Boise State pre snap motion shit drives me up the fucking wall. It's needlessly complicated for the skill players and doesn't really confuse the defense so I'm not sure why the fuck you see it 90% of the plays.
The Boise State pre snap motion shit drives me up the fucking wall. It's needlessly complicated for the skill players and doesn't really confuse the defense so I'm not sure why the fuck you see it 90% of the plays.
I think it's unique to Pete and he will have a hard time abandoning it. Combine the motion shit with a running spread if you need to. Just cut out 75% of the fucking playbook and get good at something, instead of being mediocre at everything
It's Brohm's offense at Purdue to start with ... and you're talking about the same Purdue team that scored 13 points yesterday
I may be an idiot, but I look like Einstein compared to you. Ask anyone.
On Purdue, I didnt see their score yesterday so Ill concede that point. I did see them take Ohio State to the woodshed with balance. Brohm doesnt call the plays.
Ohio State's defense is a disaster ...
I like Purdue and what they are doing a lot ... but I'm not sure going full spread is the answer for where we are as a program.
Im a fan of power spreads like what chip did at Oregon. Running out of the spread and incorporating TEs that can catch into that scheme is tough to stop.
It's also not overly complicated horseshit.
I am also. It's a run first philosophy and seems to scheme open receivers including a lot of TE throws. Unfortunately it wouldn't really suit Eason. More a Yankoff style. Can't see it with Sirmon, Morris and possibly Huard.
You dont need a running QB to do spread varients. When this offense is at it's best this year we are spreading the field and running Gaskin or finding the open receiver.
The problem with this offense we have now is it takes things from spread, west coast, pro style, power, boise state motion, trickeration...but everything is half baked. Stick to one or two things and do them well.
Yeah I agree with that. There is no identity. But Chip's spread was always better with QB's that could run. I can't think of one who couldn't.
I really liked running hard with the double tight formation and running play action off of it. We’ve been needlessly cute with the play calling. The team responds to the power identity and the running is strong enough to open up the passing. Just stick with it and go lateral occasionally not integrally.
What I can tell from Hamden's philosophy this year is as follows:
Strength of the team are the RBs
Browning is going to make a handful of really bad decisions per game - minimize what he's asked to do
WRs are largely average depending on what kind of growth Ty Jones would make
TEs more good blockers than great receivers without Hunter Bryant
Have a good defense that is going to minimize points allowed so don't give up short fields through mistakes
In the end, he's called games tied to the above. There's an emphasis on the run and taking things out of Jake's hands. Jake's shown to be pissed about this and the frustration there has hit the boiling point. Fuller has disappeared in both the Oregon and Cal games.
I don't think going spread this year would be the answer because it'd move more of the emphasis away from the team's strength.
Now looking forward to next year ... still will have some good RBs but will have a far more talented receiving group if for no other reason than everybody being a year older. I could see a little more spreading of the field next year with a QB that will likely be trusted to make throws throughout the field.
I tend to fall under the umbrella that we have some player issues this year that limit what we are able to do starting on the OL and extending to the QB position. We're behind last year's offensive numbers but not materially.
Not so much an answer or reply, but my thoughts after reading this.
We don't need a savior. We need a QB with a better cumulative GPA than 1.5 or C-, which is about where I'd rank Browning as a passing QB. And I'm trying to be fair, and not mean. But any starting Pac12 QB has to be able to hit the receivers hands in front of his body on a 10 yard crossing route, which is something I have never, ever seen Browning do. Not once.
Was he a huge improvement over Cyler Miles? Fuck Yes. He was a flat F.
Keith Price would've probably won more games under Pete than Browning has. He sure as hell threw the ball better, even though he hid an obvious shoulder injury in years 2 & 3 that radically changed his throwing motion.
I also want to see a QB that gets in a receivers face when he drops a pass, spits some F-bombs in his face and threatens to never look his way again. In other words, a Leader.
What I can tell from Hamden's philosophy this year is as follows:
Strength of the team are the RBs
Browning is going to make a handful of really bad decisions per game - minimize what he's asked to do
WRs are largely average depending on what kind of growth Ty Jones would make
TEs more good blockers than great receivers without Hunter Bryant
Have a good defense that is going to minimize points allowed so don't give up short fields through mistakes
In the end, he's called games tied to the above. There's an emphasis on the run and taking things out of Jake's hands. Jake's shown to be pissed about this and the frustration there has hit the boiling point. Fuller has disappeared in both the Oregon and Cal games.
Ironic, most of this bored wanted more run and a lot less Jake. Its happened and suddenly Hamden sucks.
What I can tell from Hamden's philosophy this year is as follows:
Strength of the team are the RBs
Browning is going to make a handful of really bad decisions per game - minimize what he's asked to do
WRs are largely average depending on what kind of growth Ty Jones would make
TEs more good blockers than great receivers without Hunter Bryant
Have a good defense that is going to minimize points allowed so don't give up short fields through mistakes
In the end, he's called games tied to the above. There's an emphasis on the run and taking things out of Jake's hands. Jake's shown to be pissed about this and the frustration there has hit the boiling point. Fuller has disappeared in both the Oregon and Cal games.
Ironic, most of this bored wanted more run and a lot less Jake. Its happened and suddenly Hamden sucks.
We can't even snap the ball correctly on a 4th and 1 play in hostile territory.
I really liked running hard with the double tight formation and running play action off of it. We’ve been needlessly cute with the play calling. The team responds to the power identity and the running is strong enough to open up the passing. Just stick with it and go lateral occasionally not integrally.
Unfortunately Pete's always been uncomfortable with 2nd & long - which is anything over 3.5 yards, and always calls a pass play that rarely succeeds and results in 3rd & long where he has to pass. Play calling kills more drives than mistakes and lack of execution.
I really liked running hard with the double tight formation and running play action off of it. We’ve been needlessly cute with the play calling. The team responds to the power identity and the running is strong enough to open up the passing. Just stick with it and go lateral occasionally not integrally.
Unfortunately Pete's always been uncomfortable with 2nd & long - which is anything over 3.5 yards, and always calls a pass play that rarely succeeds and results in 3rd & long where he has to pass. Play calling kills more drives than mistakes and lack of execution.
This.
Our production on 2nd down, especially 2nd & long, even on that successful opening drive was fucking atrocious.
I really liked running hard with the double tight formation and running play action off of it. We’ve been needlessly cute with the play calling. The team responds to the power identity and the running is strong enough to open up the passing. Just stick with it and go lateral occasionally not integrally.
12 personnel definitely works for us. 21 personnel not so much. Social Justiss Warren just isn't that good and most of our RBs are better on stretch plays. Meanwhile we have two really good TEs in Otton and Kizer behind a pretty decent senior in Sample.
We can run outside zone out of 12, we're more of a threat to throw out of it, and you can even run a wham out of it if you want to go downhill or just punish teams trying to get upfield to stop the stretch plays.
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We don't need a savior. We need a QB with a better cumulative GPA than 1.5 or C-, which is about where I'd rank Browning as a passing QB. And I'm trying to be fair, and not mean. But any starting Pac12 QB has to be able to hit the receivers hands in front of his body on a 10 yard crossing route, which is something I have never, ever seen Browning do. Not once.
Was he a huge improvement over Cyler Miles? Fuck Yes. He was a flat F.
Keith Price would've probably won more games under Pete than Browning has. He sure as hell threw the ball better, even though he hid an obvious shoulder injury in years 2 & 3 that radically changed his throwing motion.
I also want to see a QB that gets in a receivers face when he drops a pass, spits some F-bombs in his face and threatens to never look his way again. In other words, a Leader.
Our production on 2nd down, especially 2nd & long, even on that successful opening drive was fucking atrocious.
We can run outside zone out of 12, we're more of a threat to throw out of it, and you can even run a wham out of it if you want to go downhill or just punish teams trying to get upfield to stop the stretch plays.