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So when did it become forbidden to question the veracity of someone's story?

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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,838 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    You can't read news either. All of that has been questioned ad nauseum. Why can't you question the real issue? Whether Kavanaugh was being honest.
    You're confused the real question is was a crime committed?

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,202
    It's not my opinion that her story isn't credible. The facts as they exist make her story not credible. I leaving that feeling and emoting up to dumb Kunt's like you Dawg.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    SFGbob said:

    It's not my opinion that her story isn't credible. The facts as they exist make her story not credible. I leaving that feeling and emoting up to dumb Kunt's like you Dawg.

    Gay bob likes “facts.”
    He’s tuff like that.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,146 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    There are holes there, but candidly the only thing that I have focused on is the timing. If it didn't matter all these years, leave it alone.

    That said, I can imagine someone being off on some details, or at least not wanting to commit to them in a high stakes setting like this, and still remember the evening's main event. I was at plenty of parties where 'stuff' I'll never forget happened but how I got there, who I went and left with, the precise date and time, etc. are gone to history. I'm not trying to defend her but that part of it doesn't strike me as automatically fishy as it seems to with other people. Like, if I got my ass kicked at a party 36 years ago, I'd remember that and I'd remember who did it, and I'd probably remember where it happened and what caused it. The rest? Date, time, how I got there, how I left, etc.? I can see forgetting that shit.

    But she's a PhD and hasn't lived her life in dysfunction from all accounts, so I am suspicious about how "traumatic" it was, or at least how traumatic it continued to be for her throughout her life, and of course the timing. So just like you with Treyvon, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Kavy was a bit of a self-entitled prick who could become aggressive when sauced (who among us doesn't know a dozen people like that) and could easily be the type of teen-aged boy who might push too far with a co-ed and then wake up the next day and think, "fuck. I hope she doesn't make a big deal out of this."

    I just don't care. It would have been chintresting if he'd tried the old American approach of admission, contrition and axing forgiveness. Lord knows the American people tend to forgive those who admit wrong-doing. Hard to say in today's political climate.

    Hurtful.

    I need some me time now.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,202

    SFGbob said:

    It's not my opinion that her story isn't credible. The facts as they exist make her story not credible. I leaving that feeling and emoting up to dumb Kunt's like you Dawg.

    Gay bob likes “facts.”
    He’s tuff like that.
    Like your retarded running mate Hondo, do you ever back up your fucking mouth?

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,202

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    There are holes there, but candidly the only thing that I have focused on is the timing. If it didn't matter all these years, leave it alone.

    That said, I can imagine someone being off on some details, or at least not wanting to commit to them in a high stakes setting like this, and still remember the evening's main event. I was at plenty of parties where 'stuff' I'll never forget happened but how I got there, who I went and left with, the precise date and time, etc. are gone to history. I'm not trying to defend her but that part of it doesn't strike me as automatically fishy as it seems to with other people. Like, if I got my ass kicked at a party 36 years ago, I'd remember that and I'd remember who did it, and I'd probably remember where it happened and what caused it. The rest? Date, time, how I got there, how I left, etc.? I can see forgetting that shit.

    But she's a PhD and hasn't lived her life in dysfunction from all accounts, so I am suspicious about how "traumatic" it was, or at least how traumatic it continued to be for her throughout her life, and of course the timing. So just like you with Treyvon, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Kavy was a bit of a self-entitled prick who could become aggressive when sauced (who among us doesn't know a dozen people like that) and could easily be the type of teen-aged boy who might push too far with a co-ed and then wake up the next day and think, "fuck. I hope she doesn't make a big deal out of this."

    I just don't care. It would have been chintresting if he'd tried the old American approach of admission, contrition and axing forgiveness. Lord knows the American people tend to forgive those who admit wrong-doing. Hard to say in today's political climate.

    How about if none of the other people you claimed were at the party said they can recall ever being there, including someone who was your best friend at the time? There's nothing about her story that's credible.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    It's not my opinion that her story isn't credible. The facts as they exist make her story not credible. I leaving that feeling and emoting up to dumb Kunt's like you Dawg.

    Gay bob likes “facts.”
    He’s tuff like that.
    Like your retarded running mate Hondo, do you ever back up your fucking mouth?

    Can you back that up?

    Didn’t think so!

    Fuck off!
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    There are holes there, but candidly the only thing that I have focused on is the timing. If it didn't matter all these years, leave it alone.

    That said, I can imagine someone being off on some details, or at least not wanting to commit to them in a high stakes setting like this, and still remember the evening's main event. I was at plenty of parties where 'stuff' I'll never forget happened but how I got there, who I went and left with, the precise date and time, etc. are gone to history. I'm not trying to defend her but that part of it doesn't strike me as automatically fishy as it seems to with other people. Like, if I got my ass kicked at a party 36 years ago, I'd remember that and I'd remember who did it, and I'd probably remember where it happened and what caused it. The rest? Date, time, how I got there, how I left, etc.? I can see forgetting that shit.

    But she's a PhD and hasn't lived her life in dysfunction from all accounts, so I am suspicious about how "traumatic" it was, or at least how traumatic it continued to be for her throughout her life, and of course the timing. So just like you with Treyvon, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Kavy was a bit of a self-entitled prick who could become aggressive when sauced (who among us doesn't know a dozen people like that) and could easily be the type of teen-aged boy who might push too far with a co-ed and then wake up the next day and think, "fuck. I hope she doesn't make a big deal out of this."

    I just don't care. It would have been chintresting if he'd tried the old American approach of admission, contrition and axing forgiveness. Lord knows the American people tend to forgive those who admit wrong-doing. Hard to say in today's political climate.

    How about if none of the other people you claimed were at the party said they can recall ever being there, including someone who was your best friend at the time? There's nothing about her story that's credible.
    Provide a link.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,206
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    There are holes there, but candidly the only thing that I have focused on is the timing. If it didn't matter all these years, leave it alone.

    That said, I can imagine someone being off on some details, or at least not wanting to commit to them in a high stakes setting like this, and still remember the evening's main event. I was at plenty of parties where 'stuff' I'll never forget happened but how I got there, who I went and left with, the precise date and time, etc. are gone to history. I'm not trying to defend her but that part of it doesn't strike me as automatically fishy as it seems to with other people. Like, if I got my ass kicked at a party 36 years ago, I'd remember that and I'd remember who did it, and I'd probably remember where it happened and what caused it. The rest? Date, time, how I got there, how I left, etc.? I can see forgetting that shit.

    But she's a PhD and hasn't lived her life in dysfunction from all accounts, so I am suspicious about how "traumatic" it was, or at least how traumatic it continued to be for her throughout her life, and of course the timing. So just like you with Treyvon, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Kavy was a bit of a self-entitled prick who could become aggressive when sauced (who among us doesn't know a dozen people like that) and could easily be the type of teen-aged boy who might push too far with a co-ed and then wake up the next day and think, "fuck. I hope she doesn't make a big deal out of this."

    I just don't care. It would have been chintresting if he'd tried the old American approach of admission, contrition and axing forgiveness. Lord knows the American people tend to forgive those who admit wrong-doing. Hard to say in today's political climate.

    How about if none of the other people you claimed were at the party said they can recall ever being there, including someone who was your best friend at the time? There's nothing about her story that's credible.
    I said there were some holes. Let's stick with the male version of this, since none of us has any idea what it feels like to not want someone of the opposite gender pushing for sex.

    Let's say when I was 15 I was drunk and got my ass kicked at a party.

    Things I know I'd remember:

    the fact of getting my ass kicked;
    who did it;
    why they did it; and
    that they did it at a party where people I went to school with were in attendance.

    Things I think I'd in all likelihood remember:

    where it happened;
    what year I was in school;
    what general time of year it was (summer vs. winter in Grays Harbor are easily distinguishable);
    some of who else was there;
    where I went afterwards to lick my wounds.

    Things I could just as easily forget or remember incorrectly:

    when I got there;
    who I went with;
    who I left with; and
    one or more particular people who I thought were there.

    So, no, I wouldn't say there was nothing credible in that story. You tend to go with the absolute rationale 10 out 10, and rigidly resist any notion of even one scintilla of contrary consideration. You don't seem to be aware or want to admit that you live and operate in a world that just doesn't work that way 98% of the time.

    It is perfectly safe to acknowledge something that could in theory cut in favor of a Hondo conclusion and still make or faithfully adhere to your overall point.

    It really doesn't matter.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    She's a lying cunt

    REAL talk

    I just spent 5 years working with a young woman and training her in the ways of project management. She failed and we fired her. First words out of her mouth were harassment

    I don't believe accusers. Get me some fucking proof
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,202
    Come on, that's more than a hole. When you couple the fact that no one can recall being at the party she describes along with all of here oh so convenient memory loss, regarding any details that would allow anyone to refute her claims you've got a woman who should be mocked for trotting out this worthless charge in the first place.
  • georgiaduckgeorgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,031 Swaye's Wigwam

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    There are holes there, but candidly the only thing that I have focused on is the timing. If it didn't matter all these years, leave it alone.

    That said, I can imagine someone being off on some details, or at least not wanting to commit to them in a high stakes setting like this, and still remember the evening's main event. I was at plenty of parties where 'stuff' I'll never forget happened but how I got there, who I went and left with, the precise date and time, etc. are gone to history. I'm not trying to defend her but that part of it doesn't strike me as automatically fishy as it seems to with other people. Like, if I got my ass kicked at a party 36 years ago, I'd remember that and I'd remember who did it, and I'd probably remember where it happened and what caused it. The rest? Date, time, how I got there, how I left, etc.? I can see forgetting that shit.

    But she's a PhD and hasn't lived her life in dysfunction from all accounts, so I am suspicious about how "traumatic" it was, or at least how traumatic it continued to be for her throughout her life, and of course the timing. So just like you with Treyvon, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Kavy was a bit of a self-entitled prick who could become aggressive when sauced (who among us doesn't know a dozen people like that) and could easily be the type of teen-aged boy who might push too far with a co-ed and then wake up the next day and think, "fuck. I hope she doesn't make a big deal out of this."

    I just don't care. It would have been chintresting if he'd tried the old American approach of admission, contrition and axing forgiveness. Lord knows the American people tend to forgive those who admit wrong-doing. Hard to say in today's political climate.

    I got my ass handed to me when I was in sixth grade right before a baseball practice (coaches hadn't arrived yet). I remember getting there (I walked) and I remember skipping practice to walk home so my mom could take me to the emergency room for the welt on the side of my head. I remember his parents coming over to my house so they could see what their son had done and fork over the money for the emergency room visit. That was 39 years ago. I'm going to venture out there and say it was somewhere close to the trauma Ford says she experienced because this kid who was a nearly a foot taller than me at the time was not stopping.

    As a side note- I also remember getting the phone call seven years later that in his freshmen year of college he swallowed a shotgun. Kid was messed up.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    The MSM is now in high dudgeon because Trump "mocked" Ford's story. Why shouldn't her story be mocked? It makes no fucking sense and an even better question, why the fuck isn't the MSM interested in mocking her story? If the parties were reversed you'd have the MSM and the pop culture outlets savaging her story.

    Republican senators agree with the msm.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/03/politics/jeff-flake-donald-trump-christine-blasey-ford/index.html
    I don't give a shit. Her story isn't credible and the fact that some weak kneed Republicans got upset with Trump doesn't make her story credible.
    Noc what I think.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    There are holes there, but candidly the only thing that I have focused on is the timing. If it didn't matter all these years, leave it alone.

    That said, I can imagine someone being off on some details, or at least not wanting to commit to them in a high stakes setting like this, and still remember the evening's main event. I was at plenty of parties where 'stuff' I'll never forget happened but how I got there, who I went and left with, the precise date and time, etc. are gone to history. I'm not trying to defend her but that part of it doesn't strike me as automatically fishy as it seems to with other people. Like, if I got my ass kicked at a party 36 years ago, I'd remember that and I'd remember who did it, and I'd probably remember where it happened and what caused it. The rest? Date, time, how I got there, how I left, etc.? I can see forgetting that shit.

    But she's a PhD and hasn't lived her life in dysfunction from all accounts, so I am suspicious about how "traumatic" it was, or at least how traumatic it continued to be for her throughout her life, and of course the timing. So just like you with Treyvon, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Kavy was a bit of a self-entitled prick who could become aggressive when sauced (who among us doesn't know a dozen people like that) and could easily be the type of teen-aged boy who might push too far with a co-ed and then wake up the next day and think, "fuck. I hope she doesn't make a big deal out of this."

    I just don't care. It would have been chintresting if he'd tried the old American approach of admission, contrition and axing forgiveness. Lord knows the American people tend to forgive those who admit wrong-doing. Hard to say in today's political climate.

    I got my ass handed to me when I was in sixth grade right before a baseball practice (coaches hadn't arrived yet). I remember getting there (I walked) and I remember skipping practice to walk home so my mom could take me to the emergency room for the welt on the side of my head. I remember his parents coming over to my house so they could see what their son had done and fork over the money for the emergency room visit. That was 39 years ago. I'm going to venture out there and say it was somewhere close to the trauma Ford says she experienced because this kid who was a nearly a foot taller than me at the time was not stopping.

    As a side note- I also remember getting the phone call seven years later that in his freshmen year of college he swallowed a shotgun. Kid was messed up.
    Similar story - I had a paper route and a big tuff from the hood started shaking me down daily. I remember the look on his face when his dad had to sit in the living room of my dad the Justice of the Peace and beg forgiveness. Then my brother beat the shit out of him

    As if it happened yesterday
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    She's a lying cunt

    REAL talk

    I just spent 5 years working with a young woman and training her in the ways of project management. She failed and we fired her. First words out of her mouth were harassment

    I don't believe accusers. Get me some fucking proof

    Don't harass people old man and you won't have to worry about harassment charges.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,206

    She's a lying cunt

    REAL talk

    I just spent 5 years working with a young woman and training her in the ways of project management. She failed and we fired her. First words out of her mouth were harassment

    I don't believe accusers. Get me some fucking proof

    You can't handle the proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!







  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Fuck so Race and Georgia fuck remember their brother beating the shit out of someone and getting their ass kicked. That settles it, she's a liar.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,206

    SFGbob said:

    Why is it that we supposedly can't question Ford's story? Everyone keeps talking about how "credible" her story is but when I hear a story where you can't remember the date, or the time or how you got to the party or how you left and where everyone you name as being at the party denies any knowledge of the party the last fucking word I think about is "credible." To me that story sounds like fucking bullshit.

    There are holes there, but candidly the only thing that I have focused on is the timing. If it didn't matter all these years, leave it alone.

    That said, I can imagine someone being off on some details, or at least not wanting to commit to them in a high stakes setting like this, and still remember the evening's main event. I was at plenty of parties where 'stuff' I'll never forget happened but how I got there, who I went and left with, the precise date and time, etc. are gone to history. I'm not trying to defend her but that part of it doesn't strike me as automatically fishy as it seems to with other people. Like, if I got my ass kicked at a party 36 years ago, I'd remember that and I'd remember who did it, and I'd probably remember where it happened and what caused it. The rest? Date, time, how I got there, how I left, etc.? I can see forgetting that shit.

    But she's a PhD and hasn't lived her life in dysfunction from all accounts, so I am suspicious about how "traumatic" it was, or at least how traumatic it continued to be for her throughout her life, and of course the timing. So just like you with Treyvon, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest Kavy was a bit of a self-entitled prick who could become aggressive when sauced (who among us doesn't know a dozen people like that) and could easily be the type of teen-aged boy who might push too far with a co-ed and then wake up the next day and think, "fuck. I hope she doesn't make a big deal out of this."

    I just don't care. It would have been chintresting if he'd tried the old American approach of admission, contrition and axing forgiveness. Lord knows the American people tend to forgive those who admit wrong-doing. Hard to say in today's political climate.

    I got my ass handed to me when I was in sixth grade right before a baseball practice (coaches hadn't arrived yet). I remember getting there (I walked) and I remember skipping practice to walk home so my mom could take me to the emergency room for the welt on the side of my head. I remember his parents coming over to my house so they could see what their son had done and fork over the money for the emergency room visit. That was 39 years ago. I'm going to venture out there and say it was somewhere close to the trauma Ford says she experienced because this kid who was a nearly a foot taller than me at the time was not stopping.

    As a side note- I also remember getting the phone call seven years later that in his freshmen year of college he swallowed a shotgun. Kid was messed up.
    Similar story - I had a paper route and a big tuff white Hispanic with questionable paperwork from the hood started shaking me down daily. I remember the look on his face when his dad had to sit in the living room of one of my my dads the Justice of the Peace and beg forgiveness. Then my brother beat the shit out of him

    As if it happened yesterday
    Fixed some pertinent details.

    Also, my image of you is now shattered.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,202
    2001400ex said:

    She's a lying cunt

    REAL talk

    I just spent 5 years working with a young woman and training her in the ways of project management. She failed and we fired her. First words out of her mouth were harassment

    I don't believe accusers. Get me some fucking proof

    Don't harass people old man and you won't have to worry about harassment charges.
    Kunt logic, is there anything it can't do?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,779 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Fuck so Race and Georgia fuck remember their brother beating the shit out of someone and getting their ass kicked. That settles it, she's a liar.

    Stop fucking goats
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