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I think the differentiator is good assistnsts.
Keeping a stable of good assistants costs a ton.
I imagine the reason really good coaches are really good is because they always have great assistants that can recruit and coach.
Think back at all the coaches in the conference. All the ones that got fired had super shitty DC's or ocs or guys that couldn't recruit
You guys least favorite guy was babushka who's actually running a pretty damn good offense. He was probably like the 5th best oc in the pac. When that's the weakest link it's a good thing -
This is true. When I think of the great Florida State teams, you had Richt at OC and you had Amato at DC, both for like ever.Pitchfork51 said:I think the differentiator is good assistnsts.
Keeping a stable of good assistants costs a ton.
I imagine the reason really good coaches are really good is because they always have great assistants that can recruit and coach.
Think back at all the coaches in the conference. All the ones that got fired had super shitty DC's or ocs or guys that couldn't recruit
You guys least favorite guy was babushka who's actually running a pretty damn good offense. He was probably like the 5th best oc in the pac. When that's the weakest link it's a good thing
The Miami Johnson teams had guys like Wannstache, Orgeron, Butch Davis and a bunch of other salty old hands that knew their shit.
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You know I like you (not homo) and your Cane shtick, Creep. But being a waspy, history nerd and former practitioner of the most traditionalist, blue blood of all college sports means I have to give Miami shit. I do consider them the 2nd greatest program of the past 40 years and close to being on Mt Rushmore with another NT.creepycoug said:
One of the things that differentiates Miami from the rest of the landscape is that most of the shit you guys eat so willingly is not a part of their deal. Half-filled stadiums spell doom for programs like Washington. Miami has never had a rabid fan base, and they won't come out on Saturday to watch an 8-6 Miami team play Virginia when they could be at the beach.YellowSnow said:
Of course, I am pretend counselor. But until Miami wins a Natty playing a Joe Robbie / Pro Players / Sun Life / Hard Rock stadium, I am going to keep breaking your balls. The stadium is a YUGE part of the college experience and one of the many things that differentiate that college game from the shitty NFL.creepycoug said:
You're better than this.YellowSnow said:
National championships post dumpy, closer to campus, tuff renta-stadium - Zero!! No college team has ever won a NT playing at an off campus facility, other than those which are richly steeped in college football lore- i.e., LA Coliseum, the Orange Bowl and Legion Field in Birmingham, AL.creepycoug said:
4 coaches, 5 titles, inches from 7, yards from 8.whlinder said:The point is: Coaches are the differentiator. You need money for football and a willingness to spend it on coaches. Michigan has that.
location and tradition seem to me the be the most relevant variables.
Texas has as much or money as anyone and isn't in Miami's zip code over the last 30-year period.
The best Trojan coach in my lifetime not named John McKay was purchased at Value Village.
Sure, you need a threshold amount of money to operate a football program.
You can't get to Mt. Olympus by just buying your way there, or Oregon would have purchased it by now.
Here's a list of the top 27 schools by AD revenue.
https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-texas-longhorns-2017-11#1-university-of-texas-1821-million-27
We've discussed the failure rate of super coaches taking their show on the road from School A to School B. It is abysmal. We've also discussed the success rate of finding the right coach who is on his way up.
Sure, if you can sell the wife and kids to get Urban Meyer, then you do it. Most programs can pull that off for football, even w/o a huge AD budget. Miami can afford to bust for a big-name coach. They just haven't done it until they signed Richt. But most of the time, it just doesn't pay for itself. As we've discussed, Meyer is a rare bird.
The coaches who left Miami who could have had long-term dynasties would not have been retained by Ohio State or Alabama in the same circumstances. They had 'total control' packages to leave for the NFL, one of them for the marque franchise, and each one of them left Miami reluctantly knowing what they were leaving on the table. If even one of those guys stays, you have a lot less up and down than the Hurricanes have experienced. $$ wasn't going to save it though.
Not saying that $$ doesn't matter; don't twist. It just doesn't seem to be the driver.
Miami is a big stakes, big game, big name, night time, show time town. They will fill up three Big Houses for a meaningful tilt with ND or Florida State. That's who they are and who they always have been. The Orange Bowl was 82k+ in capacity and they never had a problem filling it for the big games, particularly the night games. But when they aren't winning big, they won't fill a high school stadium.
None of this has ever mattered. The only thing that does matter is that there is an endless supply of Sunday talent that has grown up wanting to play for the U because of what it has always stood for to their demographic. Watch the first 30 for 30. That's it right there.
University of Miami is not a traditional school in almost all respects. It's a weird place. It's a big park with water fountains and modern buildings in Coral Gables, which is not a college town feel.
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None of this has ever mattered. The only thing that does matter is that there is an endless supply of Sunday talent that has grown up wanting to play for the U because of what it has always stood for to their demographic. Watch the first 30 for 30. That's it right there.
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Born in 2001 you watched Miami go on probation again and never be heard from again
They don't have the allure of LA that keeps kids dreaming of being Trojans regardless of record
And the South belongs to Bama and the SEC and the other ACC teams now
Ohio State has always cherry picked Florida as well and now most B1G schools do -
RaceBannon said:
None of this has ever mattered. The only thing that does matter is that there is an endless supply of Sunday talent that has grown up wanting to play for the U because of what it has always stood for to their demographic. Watch the first 30 for 30. That's it right there.
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Born in 2001 you watched Miami go on probation again and never be heard from again
They don't have the allure of LA that keeps kids dreaming of being Trojans regardless of record
And the South belongs to Bama and the SEC and the other ACC teams now
Ohio State has always cherry picked Florida as well and now most B1G schools do
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I give you a lot of deference old man, but this is not your best work. This is why Sonny didn't pick you; you're just not a war-time Consigliere Race.RaceBannon said:None of this has ever mattered. The only thing that does matter is that there is an endless supply of Sunday talent that has grown up wanting to play for the U because of what it has always stood for to their demographic. Watch the first 30 for 30. That's it right there.
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Born in 2001 you watched Miami go on probation again and never be heard from again
They don't have the allure of LA that keeps kids dreaming of being Trojans regardless of record
And the South belongs to Bama and the SEC and the other ACC teams now
Ohio State has always cherry picked Florida as well and now most B1G schools do
There are Hurricanes every single person who watches football knows about who those kids wanna be. You think they don't know who Frank Gore, Andre Johnson, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Vince Wilfork, Edgerrin James & Jonathan Vilma are? They all (sans Taylor of course) come home and support like no other program has from their NFL alumni base. Those kids know all about the U. They watch 30 for 30. They know the history. They know it as NFL U.
Other schools have always recruited Florida. This is not new. Before Bama was Bama again it was LSU stealing kids from So Fla. And, still, Miami produced as many or more NFL studs. Look at the current roster. You have a very talented Washington team right now, and I would bet my house that there will be more pro bowls represented from this Hurricane roster than what you'll see from this Washington team. I'd put the same stake in the ground vis a vis USC.
Ohio State, ND, SEC team du jour have always cherry picked So Fla, and always will. Fortunately for Miami, it never has mattered, at all, and it still doesn't.
Miami the city has more allure today than it ever has, and competes with LA easily for 'cool city' status. South Beach bitch. Miami is full of night life and flash.
Miami has had players all through their droughts. Every single thing you said about SC applies to Miami and then some.
Maybe your worst post in over a year.
Take a nap old man. You're slipping. -
Get back to us when you have us ON Mt. Rushmore. We don't want no scrub bitch.YellowSnow said:
You know I like you (not homo) and your Cane shtick, Creep. But being a waspy, history nerd and former practitioner of the most traditionalist, blue blood of all college sports means I have to give Miami shit. I do consider them the 2nd greatest program of the past 40 years and close to being on Mt Rushmore with another NT.creepycoug said:
One of the things that differentiates Miami from the rest of the landscape is that most of the shit you guys eat so willingly is not a part of their deal. Half-filled stadiums spell doom for programs like Washington. Miami has never had a rabid fan base, and they won't come out on Saturday to watch an 8-6 Miami team play Virginia when they could be at the beach.YellowSnow said:
Of course, I am pretend counselor. But until Miami wins a Natty playing a Joe Robbie / Pro Players / Sun Life / Hard Rock stadium, I am going to keep breaking your balls. The stadium is a YUGE part of the college experience and one of the many things that differentiate that college game from the shitty NFL.creepycoug said:
You're better than this.YellowSnow said:
National championships post dumpy, closer to campus, tuff renta-stadium - Zero!! No college team has ever won a NT playing at an off campus facility, other than those which are richly steeped in college football lore- i.e., LA Coliseum, the Orange Bowl and Legion Field in Birmingham, AL.creepycoug said:
4 coaches, 5 titles, inches from 7, yards from 8.whlinder said:The point is: Coaches are the differentiator. You need money for football and a willingness to spend it on coaches. Michigan has that.
location and tradition seem to me the be the most relevant variables.
Texas has as much or money as anyone and isn't in Miami's zip code over the last 30-year period.
The best Trojan coach in my lifetime not named John McKay was purchased at Value Village.
Sure, you need a threshold amount of money to operate a football program.
You can't get to Mt. Olympus by just buying your way there, or Oregon would have purchased it by now.
Here's a list of the top 27 schools by AD revenue.
https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-most-revenue-college-sports-texas-longhorns-2017-11#1-university-of-texas-1821-million-27
We've discussed the failure rate of super coaches taking their show on the road from School A to School B. It is abysmal. We've also discussed the success rate of finding the right coach who is on his way up.
Sure, if you can sell the wife and kids to get Urban Meyer, then you do it. Most programs can pull that off for football, even w/o a huge AD budget. Miami can afford to bust for a big-name coach. They just haven't done it until they signed Richt. But most of the time, it just doesn't pay for itself. As we've discussed, Meyer is a rare bird.
The coaches who left Miami who could have had long-term dynasties would not have been retained by Ohio State or Alabama in the same circumstances. They had 'total control' packages to leave for the NFL, one of them for the marque franchise, and each one of them left Miami reluctantly knowing what they were leaving on the table. If even one of those guys stays, you have a lot less up and down than the Hurricanes have experienced. $$ wasn't going to save it though.
Not saying that $$ doesn't matter; don't twist. It just doesn't seem to be the driver.
Miami is a big stakes, big game, big name, night time, show time town. They will fill up three Big Houses for a meaningful tilt with ND or Florida State. That's who they are and who they always have been. The Orange Bowl was 82k+ in capacity and they never had a problem filling it for the big games, particularly the night games. But when they aren't winning big, they won't fill a high school stadium.
None of this has ever mattered. The only thing that does matter is that there is an endless supply of Sunday talent that has grown up wanting to play for the U because of what it has always stood for to their demographic. Watch the first 30 for 30. That's it right there.
University of Miami is not a traditional school in almost all respects. It's a weird place. It's a big park with water fountains and modern buildings in Coral Gables, which is not a college town feel.
Miami is different and is governed by different rules. -
The past is for Canescreepycoug said:
I give you a lot of deference old man, but this is not your best work. This is why Sonny didn't pick you; you're just not a war-time Consigliere Race.RaceBannon said:None of this has ever mattered. The only thing that does matter is that there is an endless supply of Sunday talent that has grown up wanting to play for the U because of what it has always stood for to their demographic. Watch the first 30 for 30. That's it right there.
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Born in 2001 you watched Miami go on probation again and never be heard from again
They don't have the allure of LA that keeps kids dreaming of being Trojans regardless of record
And the South belongs to Bama and the SEC and the other ACC teams now
Ohio State has always cherry picked Florida as well and now most B1G schools do
There are Hurricanes every single person who watches football knows about who those kids wanna be. You think they don't know who Frank Gore, Andre Johnson, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Vince Wilfork, Edgerrin James & Jonathan Vilma are? They all (sans Taylor of course) come home and support like no other program has from their NFL alumni base. Those kids know all about the U. They watch 30 for 30. They know the history. They know it as NFL U.
Other schools have always recruited Florida. This is not new. Before Bama was Bama again it was LSU stealing kids from So Fla. And, still, Miami produced as many or more NFL studs. Look at the current roster. You have a very talented Washington team right now, and I would bet my house that there will be more pro bowls represented from this Hurricane roster than what you'll see from this Washington team. I'd put the same stake in the ground vis a vis USC.
Ohio State, ND, SEC team du jour have always cherry picked So Fla, and always will. Fortunately for Miami, it never has mattered, at all, and it still doesn't.
Miami the city has more allure today than it ever has, and competes with LA easily for 'cool city' status. South Beach bitch. Miami is full of night life and flash.
Miami has had players all through their droughts. Every single thing you said about SC applies to Miami and then some.
Maybe your worst post in over a year.
Take a nap old man. You're slipping. -
Shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!RaceBannon said:
The past is for Canescreepycoug said:
I give you a lot of deference old man, but this is not your best work. This is why Sonny didn't pick you; you're just not a war-time Consigliere Race.RaceBannon said:None of this has ever mattered. The only thing that does matter is that there is an endless supply of Sunday talent that has grown up wanting to play for the U because of what it has always stood for to their demographic. Watch the first 30 for 30. That's it right there.
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Born in 2001 you watched Miami go on probation again and never be heard from again
They don't have the allure of LA that keeps kids dreaming of being Trojans regardless of record
And the South belongs to Bama and the SEC and the other ACC teams now
Ohio State has always cherry picked Florida as well and now most B1G schools do
There are Hurricanes every single person who watches football knows about who those kids wanna be. You think they don't know who Frank Gore, Andre Johnson, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Vince Wilfork, Edgerrin James & Jonathan Vilma are? They all (sans Taylor of course) come home and support like no other program has from their NFL alumni base. Those kids know all about the U. They watch 30 for 30. They know the history. They know it as NFL U.
Other schools have always recruited Florida. This is not new. Before Bama was Bama again it was LSU stealing kids from So Fla. And, still, Miami produced as many or more NFL studs. Look at the current roster. You have a very talented Washington team right now, and I would bet my house that there will be more pro bowls represented from this Hurricane roster than what you'll see from this Washington team. I'd put the same stake in the ground vis a vis USC.
Ohio State, ND, SEC team du jour have always cherry picked So Fla, and always will. Fortunately for Miami, it never has mattered, at all, and it still doesn't.
Miami the city has more allure today than it ever has, and competes with LA easily for 'cool city' status. South Beach bitch. Miami is full of night life and flash.
Miami has had players all through their droughts. Every single thing you said about SC applies to Miami and then some.
Maybe your worst post in over a year.
Take a nap old man. You're slipping. -
Harbaugh will be USC's next coach
