My latest theory
The red state Senators up for re election are hearing about it and it isn't good news. They need to sit there and hope the smear makes the Administration cave without a vote
I've been right and I reckon I am right again
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I agree and some background supporting:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/25/red-state-democrats-kavanaugh-841400
Also think the Dems realized they may have fucked themselves in that their actions to date have pissed off a bunch of never-Trump conservatives and conservatives that probably wouldn't have come out for the midterms. I think they think their best bet now is to double down and try to get a few wobbly Republicans to cave, and then hope that pisses off the base enough at the Republican party itself that they don't go vote in force in Nov. -
Well there you go
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I could be wrong. But isn't the majority party the one who calls the vote? I'm pretty sure both sides don't want a vote right now or else it would have happened.RaceBannon said:I scoured Fox news and saw nothing about this but hondo will call it a talking point. But anyway if the dems call for a vote it would seem to be a slam dunk to vote him gone and be done with him. I am sure they could get two rinos to go along. So why keep delaying?
The red state Senators up for re election are hearing about it and it isn't good news. They need to sit there and hope the smear makes the Administration cave without a vote
I've been right and I reckon I am right again -
The GOP has bent over backwards to give the accuser a chance to appear. It was all over the news. Now the GOP says the vote is Friday whether she shows or not
Low info honod
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You should just stop there.2001400ex said:
I could be wrong.RaceBannon said:I scoured Fox news and saw nothing about this but hondo will call it a talking point. But anyway if the dems call for a vote it would seem to be a slam dunk to vote him gone and be done with him. I am sure they could get two rinos to go along. So why keep delaying?
The red state Senators up for re election are hearing about it and it isn't good news. They need to sit there and hope the smear makes the Administration cave without a vote
I've been right and I reckon I am right again
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All this 35 year old BS is to stop Trump. If they could prevent this appointment and win a seat or two we'll have no supreme court nominee during Trumps term. It's the resistance run by Soris, Obingo and company.
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I've already stated that the Dems could lose big in this. If kavanaugh is booted and they run on the "referendum for supreme Court" they will probably lose. The supreme Court justices rile up conservatives more than liberals.HoustonHusky said:I agree and some background supporting:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/25/red-state-democrats-kavanaugh-841400
Also think the Dems realized they may have fucked themselves in that their actions to date have pissed off a bunch of never-Trump conservatives and conservatives that probably wouldn't have come out for the midterms. I think they think their best bet now is to double down and try to get a few wobbly Republicans to cave, and then hope that pisses off the base enough at the Republican party itself that they don't go vote in force in Nov. -
The longer it takes to have a vote the less time Trump has to name a replacement. Then, anybody named as a replacement will either be labeled a racist, rapist, thief, etc. This is all a tactic to delay until after the midterms.
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I do not care if Kavanaw gets the nod or not. But, this made up bullshit story by Dems rubs me the wrong way. Trashing a guy and tarnishing him for life for nothing because you don't like his politics is over the line. The Dems who cooked this up have zero decency or humanity and should basically be drug behind a mule for a few miles.
If I was Trump I'd withdraw this nomination and put forward that much more conservative woman and let them try and tar and feather her. I think she might even be to the right of Scalia. It would be the perfect just desserts for these morons going along with the Feinstein frame an innocent man plan. Problem is, Murkowski and Collins the RINO cunts that they are would fuck all of that up. -
No shit. Even if the plug was pulled today, no chance another justice is nominated and confirmed before the midterms. And that's my point. The tactic could backfire on Democrats.greenblood said:The longer it takes to have a vote the less time Trump has to name a replacement. Then, anybody named as a replacement will either be labeled a racist, rapist, thief, etc. This is all a tactic to delay until after the midterms.
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And that hardball tactic itself is in response to McConnell not voting on Obama's nominee.
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This is so going to backfire against the democrats. It will once again activate the portion of the base that was activated in 11/16. This will not be seen as tit for tat for McConnell's shenanigans. It will be sold and seen as deep state override of the people's will. Just this morning the memes were flying: "We the People Demand Justice Kavanaugh's appointment be Confirmed!"RaceBannon said:I scoured Fox news and saw nothing about this but hondo will call it a talking point. But anyway if the dems call for a vote it would seem to be a slam dunk to vote him gone and be done with him. I am sure they could get two rinos to go along. So why keep delaying?
The red state Senators up for re election are hearing about it and it isn't good news. They need to sit there and hope the smear makes the Administration cave without a vote
I've been right and I reckon I am right again
I can't imagine being red in a red state and being pissed off at my senator for bungling this unless he were part of what is being called a lynching.
We shall see.
Do you really think if they had a vote today he'd get bumped? Who would the rinos be? I have no idea who's on the fence. -
Another point I've made. And that decision worked out very well for Republicans. That was one reason we have Trump and a republican Congress.GrundleStiltzkin said:And that hardball tactic itself is in response to McConnell not voting on Obama's nominee.
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There is a difference between mid term and presidential elections. Kagan was appointed 2 wks prior to a midterm under Obingo but that's Otay Spankey!GrundleStiltzkin said:And that hardball tactic itself is in response to McConnell not voting on Obama's nominee.
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Really? You don't say?Sledog said:All this 35 year old BS is to stop Trump. If they could prevent this appointment and win a seat or two we'll have no supreme court nominee during Trumps term. It's the resistance run by Soris, Obingo and company.
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No they would have made shit up and smeared GarlandGrundleStiltzkin said:And that hardball tactic itself is in response to McConnell not voting on Obama's nominee.
They didn't have to because they control the Senate. These are not the same thing at all
@Swaye is right except they need to nominate a Black woman. Leftist racism is always entertaining -
Susan Collins and Murkyowski are usually mentioned. And Flake hates Trump's gutscreepycoug said:
This is so going to backfire against the democrats. It will once again activate the portion of the base that was activated in 11/16. This will not be seen as tit for tat for McConnell's shenanigans. It will be sold and seen as deep state override of the people's will. Just this morning the memes were flying: "We the People Demand Justice Kavanaugh's appointment be Confirmed!"RaceBannon said:I scoured Fox news and saw nothing about this but hondo will call it a talking point. But anyway if the dems call for a vote it would seem to be a slam dunk to vote him gone and be done with him. I am sure they could get two rinos to go along. So why keep delaying?
The red state Senators up for re election are hearing about it and it isn't good news. They need to sit there and hope the smear makes the Administration cave without a vote
I've been right and I reckon I am right again
I can't imagine being red in a red state and being pissed off at my senator for bungling this unless he were part of what is being called a lynching.
We shall see.
Do you really think if they had a vote today he'd get bumped? Who would the rinos be? I have no idea who's on the fence. -
Don't act like Democrats have a monopoly on smear campaigns.Swaye said:I do not care if Kavanaw gets the nod or not. But, this made up bullshit story by Dems rubs me the wrong way. Trashing a guy and tarnishing him for life for nothing because you don't like his politics is over the line. The Dems who cooked this up have zero decency or humanity and should basically be drug behind a mule for a few miles.
If I was Trump I'd withdraw this nomination and put forward that much more conservative woman and let them try and tar and feather her. I think she might even be to the right of Scalia. It would be the perfect just desserts for these morons going along with the Feinstein frame an innocent man plan. Problem is, Murkowski and Collins the RINO cunts that they are would fuck all of that up. -
I do say!creepycoug said:
Really? You don't say?Sledog said:All this 35 year old BS is to stop Trump. If they could prevent this appointment and win a seat or two we'll have no supreme court nominee during Trumps term. It's the resistance run by Soris, Obingo and company.
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2001400ex said:
Another point I've made. And that decision worked out very well for Republicans. That was one reason we have Trump and a republican Congress.GrundleStiltzkin said:And that hardball tactic itself is in response to McConnell not voting on Obama's nominee.
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Just seems like political suicide in this context. Maybe less so for Collins; Maine is a weird place and can be very conservative and very liberal, both in a different sense than how those political philosophies are expressed elsewhere in the country. On both sides it has a strong libertarian and fierce independence streak. It's also New England and everyone in Maine knows and loves a liberal from somewhere. Compare/contrast Texas.RaceBannon said:
Susan Collins and Murkyowski are usually mentioned. And Flake hates Trump's gutscreepycoug said:
This is so going to backfire against the democrats. It will once again activate the portion of the base that was activated in 11/16. This will not be seen as tit for tat for McConnell's shenanigans. It will be sold and seen as deep state override of the people's will. Just this morning the memes were flying: "We the People Demand Justice Kavanaugh's appointment be Confirmed!"RaceBannon said:I scoured Fox news and saw nothing about this but hondo will call it a talking point. But anyway if the dems call for a vote it would seem to be a slam dunk to vote him gone and be done with him. I am sure they could get two rinos to go along. So why keep delaying?
The red state Senators up for re election are hearing about it and it isn't good news. They need to sit there and hope the smear makes the Administration cave without a vote
I've been right and I reckon I am right again
I can't imagine being red in a red state and being pissed off at my senator for bungling this unless he were part of what is being called a lynching.
We shall see.
Do you really think if they had a vote today he'd get bumped? Who would the rinos be? I have no idea who's on the fence.
Flake is a Trump hater, true, but Kreist, will the Arizona base forgive him if he is the inflexion point on this thing?
Murkyowski - have to admit I don't have a good bead on Alaska politics ... I'd expect a bit of the Maine attitude: fierce independence, leave us alone, don't drag us into your shit, etc. But really don't know. -
Great picture!Sledog said:
I do say!creepycoug said:
Really? You don't say?Sledog said:All this 35 year old BS is to stop Trump. If they could prevent this appointment and win a seat or two we'll have no supreme court nominee during Trumps term. It's the resistance run by Soris, Obingo and company.
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Just passing along what I am hearing
They may not cave but the gals were the big force behind the GOP delay to give a fair hearing
But Collins in particular is pretty much onto the ruse now -
Not saying they're the same method per se. The Democrats are willing to take a huge political gamble on this because 1) they feel like their constituents demand drastic measures; and 2) Because of the McConnell gamble (one of the biggest risk/reward payoffs ever), they feel like they have cover if it fails.RaceBannon said:
No they would have made shit up and smeared GarlandGrundleStiltzkin said:And that hardball tactic itself is in response to McConnell not voting on Obama's nominee.
They didn't have to because they control the Senate. These are not the same thing at all
@Swaye is right except they need to nominate a Black woman. Leftist racism is always entertaining
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So I shouldn't twist?RaceBannon said:Just passing along what I am hearing
They may not cave but the gals were the big force behind the GOP delay to give a fair hearing
But Collins in particular is pretty much onto the ruse now -
And shout.creepycoug said:
So I shouldn't twist?RaceBannon said:Just passing along what I am hearing
They may not cave but the gals were the big force behind the GOP delay to give a fair hearing
But Collins in particular is pretty much onto the ruse now
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Which is why it's so fs. Like, what? If there were not an extreme response to the Kavanaugh appointment they're going to stay home and not vote? Or vote Republican? Or vote for the alt-candidate and fuck themselves yet again? The only win here for them is if they do, in fact, keep him off the court.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Not saying they're the same method per se. The Democrats are willing to take a huge political gamble on this because 1) they feel like their constituents demand drastic measures; and 2) Because of the McConnell gamble (one of the biggest risk/reward payoffs ever), they feel like they have cover if it fails.RaceBannon said:
No they would have made shit up and smeared GarlandGrundleStiltzkin said:And that hardball tactic itself is in response to McConnell not voting on Obama's nominee.
They didn't have to because they control the Senate. These are not the same thing at all
@Swaye is right except they need to nominate a Black woman. Leftist racism is always entertaining
Or something.
But like 99.8% of the people arguing about this, I don't have any deep understanding of his jurisprudence, and I'm less concerned about his academic writings which allegedly express that sitting Presidents can't be fucked with. Who cares? That's a theoretical question 99.9999% of the time. There are bigger issues. He's clearly technically qualified, and doesn't seem to have a hard-line judicial ideology or philosophy in the same sense or degree as a Scalia. Most of these guys tend to moderate once they get on the court, which is how it should be.
All the Dems had to do was put up a decent fight, let it happen, and likely do well in the next cycle in response to wide-spread anti-Trump sentiment. What is going to change that? There is no alternative. Show me the centrist Republican who these people are going to flock to for a substitute.
As it stands, this feeds the deep state crowd and the right could well find more new and previously untapped voting support.
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Robert Bork was stopped at the hearing as I recall. It lit the fire but unless I am mistaken it was at least to do with the law not a high school party. Even at that the GOP has gone along with every Clinton and Obama nominee like good little sheep.
Anita Hill failed and this is looking bad. Maybe a lesson there.
Everyone freaked out over Roberts because BUSH but the dude saved Obamacare
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When Republicans nominate a black woman the leftists will take it to a new level of viciousness.
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Why do you hate Garland? Or you just little lyin Race?RaceBannon said:Robert Bork was stopped at the hearing as I recall. It lit the fire but unless I am mistaken it was at least to do with the law not a high school party. Even at that the GOP has gone along with every Clinton and Obama nominee like good little sheep.
Anita Hill failed and this is looking bad. Maybe a lesson there.
Everyone freaked out over Roberts because BUSH but the dude saved Obamacare
Crazy shit man
