The Kahn's laugh at the backwards little Roman Kingdom.
Except for their conquest of China which was a huge deal, most of their rapid conquest was open space. The lasting influence to Rome dwarfs that of the Mongols. We are living in a world that Rome started. China may be on the ascent and things could change, but for now they are the ones wearing western suits and not us? dressing like Mandarins.
That's only because you live in the very West Western World that you think this. Did you know that the descendants of the Khan's still rule over kingdoms in the East to this very day? As in, unbroken rule since the original conquest. Direct descendants of Genghis.
Mongol Empire at it's height, 100 million
Roman Empire at it's height, 50 million
Excepting China is like saying, the Roman Empire except for modern day Europe.
They also conquered much of India, which Alexander couldn't do.
Freak weather is all that stopped them from conquering Japan and most likely the rest of India.
The only reason they didn't conquer Europe was because they considered it a backwater full of barbarians too far from home to bother with. Otherwise we might all be wearing Mongol pants.
I'm not discounting how impressive their achievements were but ultimately China went back to being ruled by Han people and not Mongols. And you don't have a billion peeps today speaking Mongolian, BUT you do have a billion speaking offshoots of Latin and another billion speaking Mandarin.
Plus...
The Mongolians were never the majority population except in Mongolia because they far out-conquered their own population and cultural limits. The peasants all spoke their native languages while the rulers spoke Mongolian. If anything, this would be points for the Mongols who punched way outside of their weightclass. Basically all of the ruling dynasties in the lands they conquered were descendants of the Khanate even long after their decline.
Bruh, we gonna give points for the Romans adopting everything the Greeks originally accomplished?
You think Kublai was living in some hut? He founded Beijing as the capital man.
I go back to buildings, some of which included orgy rooms and 'hot baths'.
The Kahn's laugh at the backwards little Roman Kingdom.
Except for their conquest of China which was a huge deal, most of their rapid conquest was open space. The lasting influence to Rome dwarfs that of the Mongols. We are living in a world that Rome started. China may be on the ascent and things could change, but for now they are the ones wearing western suits and not us? dressing like Mandarins.
That's only because you live in the very West Western World that you think this. Did you know that the descendants of the Khan's still rule over kingdoms in the East to this very day? As in, unbroken rule since the original conquest. Direct descendants of Genghis.
Mongol Empire at it's height, 100 million
Roman Empire at it's height, 50 million
Excepting China is like saying, the Roman Empire except for modern day Europe.
They also conquered much of India, which Alexander couldn't do.
Freak weather is all that stopped them from conquering Japan and most likely the rest of India.
The only reason they didn't conquer Europe was because they considered it a backwater full of barbarians too far from home to bother with. Otherwise we might all be wearing Mongol pants.
I'm not discounting how impressive their achievements were but ultimately China went back to being ruled by Han people and not Mongols. And you don't have a billion peeps today speaking Mongolian, BUT you do have a billion speaking offshoots of Latin and another billion speaking Mandarin.
Plus...
The Mongolians were never the majority population except in Mongolia because they far out-conquered their own population and cultural limits. The peasants all spoke their native languages while the rulers spoke Mongolian. If anything, this would be points for the Mongols who punched way outside of their weightclass. Basically all of the ruling dynasties in the lands they conquered were descendants of the Khanate even long after their decline.
Bruh, we gonna give points for the Romans adopting everything the Greeks originally accomplished?
You think Kublai was living in some hut? He founded Beijing as the capital man.
Furthermore the descendants of the Roman Empire won the Opium Wars. Rule Britannia !
The Kahn's laugh at the backwards little Roman Kingdom.
Except for their conquest of China which was a huge deal, most of their rapid conquest was open space. The lasting influence to Rome dwarfs that of the Mongols. We are living in a world that Rome started. China may be on the ascent and things could change, but for now they are the ones wearing western suits and not us? dressing like Mandarins.
That's only because you live in the very West Western World that you think this. Did you know that the descendants of the Khan's still rule over kingdoms in the East to this very day? As in, unbroken rule since the original conquest. Direct descendants of Genghis.
Mongol Empire at it's height, 100 million
Roman Empire at it's height, 50 million
Excepting China is like saying, the Roman Empire except for modern day Europe.
They also conquered much of India, which Alexander couldn't do.
Freak weather is all that stopped them from conquering Japan and most likely the rest of India.
The only reason they didn't conquer Europe was because they considered it a backwater full of barbarians too far from home to bother with. Otherwise we might all be wearing Mongol pants.
I'm not discounting how impressive their achievements were but ultimately China went back to being ruled by Han people and not Mongols. And you don't have a billion peeps today speaking Mongolian, BUT you do have a billion speaking offshoots of Latin and another billion speaking Mandarin.
Plus...
The Mongolians were never the majority population except in Mongolia because they far out-conquered their own population and cultural limits. The peasants all spoke their native languages while the rulers spoke Mongolian. If anything, this would be points for the Mongols who punched way outside of their weightclass. Basically all of the ruling dynasties in the lands they conquered were descendants of the Khanate even long after their decline.
Bruh, we gonna give points for the Romans adopting everything the Greeks originally accomplished?
You think Kublai was living in some hut? He founded Beijing as the capital man.
I go back to buildings, some of which included orgy rooms and 'hot baths'.
Kublai wasn't living in no Mongol hut. That's the point. The Khan's founded what would become the Forbidden City and their buildings there still stand to this day. Khan's had harems, baths, and opium dens that rivaled, if not surpassed the Romans'. Nevermind that they didn't have any stupid monogamous hang ups to begin with.
And then there's Xanadu their summer pleasure palace.
"In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round; And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. "
The Kahn's laugh at the backwards little Roman Kingdom.
Except for their conquest of China which was a huge deal, most of their rapid conquest was open space. The lasting influence to Rome dwarfs that of the Mongols. We are living in a world that Rome started. China may be on the ascent and things could change, but for now they are the ones wearing western suits and not us? dressing like Mandarins.
That's only because you live in the very West Western World that you think this. Did you know that the descendants of the Khan's still rule over kingdoms in the East to this very day? As in, unbroken rule since the original conquest. Direct descendants of Genghis.
Mongol Empire at it's height, 100 million
Roman Empire at it's height, 50 million
Excepting China is like saying, the Roman Empire except for modern day Europe.
They also conquered much of India, which Alexander couldn't do.
Freak weather is all that stopped them from conquering Japan and most likely the rest of India.
The only reason they didn't conquer Europe was because they considered it a backwater full of barbarians too far from home to bother with. Otherwise we might all be wearing Mongol pants.
I'm not discounting how impressive their achievements were but ultimately China went back to being ruled by Han people and not Mongols. And you don't have a billion peeps today speaking Mongolian, BUT you do have a billion speaking offshoots of Latin and another billion speaking Mandarin.
Plus...
The Mongolians were never the majority population except in Mongolia because they far out-conquered their own population and cultural limits. The peasants all spoke their native languages while the rulers spoke Mongolian. If anything, this would be points for the Mongols who punched way outside of their weightclass. Basically all of the ruling dynasties in the lands they conquered were descendants of the Khanate even long after their decline.
Bruh, we gonna give points for the Romans adopting everything the Greeks originally accomplished?
You think Kublai was living in some hut? He founded Beijing as the capital man.
I go back to buildings, some of which included orgy rooms and 'hot baths'.
Kublai wasn't living in no Mongol hut. That's the point. The Khan's founded what would become the Forbidden City and their buildings there still stand to this day. Khan's had harems, baths, and opium dens that rivaled, if not surpassed the Romans'. Nevermind that they didn't have any stupid monogamous hang ups to begin with.
And then there's Xanadu their summer pleasure palace.
"In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round; And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. "
Look @UW_Doog_Bot , in spit of your being a 2 silver dollar libertarian, STEM major, I know your love of history is skrong and you're in the higher level discussion bored. I suspect there is a bit of our respective biases taking place in this debate- e.g., I am guessing you've spent some time in the Far East (and India) and I have only been to Asia once. Also, in the interest of transparency, my focus of study has always been the West and I'm weak on the East (excepting a bit on Japan).
There's no question and that from the 13th to 16th centuries, China was the greatest civilization on Earth. In fact until the Opium Wars, Europe (and America) still ran huge trade deficits with the Chinese. They had the goods and we had nothing they wanted to buy other than some furs and ginseng roots. ATBJBS, the world we all live into is a Western one because of Adam Smith and the Industrial Revolution. The West which is a direct descendent of the Roman Empire won. Keep in mind, our descendants may end up living in a China dominated world.
The Kahn's laugh at the backwards little Roman Kingdom.
Except for their conquest of China which was a huge deal, most of their rapid conquest was open space. The lasting influence to Rome dwarfs that of the Mongols. We are living in a world that Rome started. China may be on the ascent and things could change, but for now they are the ones wearing western suits and not us? dressing like Mandarins.
That's only because you live in the very West Western World that you think this. Did you know that the descendants of the Khan's still rule over kingdoms in the East to this very day? As in, unbroken rule since the original conquest. Direct descendants of Genghis.
Mongol Empire at it's height, 100 million
Roman Empire at it's height, 50 million
Excepting China is like saying, the Roman Empire except for modern day Europe.
They also conquered much of India, which Alexander couldn't do.
Freak weather is all that stopped them from conquering Japan and most likely the rest of India.
The only reason they didn't conquer Europe was because they considered it a backwater full of barbarians too far from home to bother with. Otherwise we might all be wearing Mongol pants.
I'm not discounting how impressive their achievements were but ultimately China went back to being ruled by Han people and not Mongols. And you don't have a billion peeps today speaking Mongolian, BUT you do have a billion speaking offshoots of Latin and another billion speaking Mandarin.
Plus...
The Mongolians were never the majority population except in Mongolia because they far out-conquered their own population and cultural limits. The peasants all spoke their native languages while the rulers spoke Mongolian. If anything, this would be points for the Mongols who punched way outside of their weightclass. Basically all of the ruling dynasties in the lands they conquered were descendants of the Khanate even long after their decline.
Bruh, we gonna give points for the Romans adopting everything the Greeks originally accomplished?
You think Kublai was living in some hut? He founded Beijing as the capital man.
I go back to buildings, some of which included orgy rooms and 'hot baths'.
Kublai wasn't living in no Mongol hut. That's the point. The Khan's founded what would become the Forbidden City and their buildings there still stand to this day. Khan's had harems, baths, and opium dens that rivaled, if not surpassed the Romans'. Nevermind that they didn't have any stupid monogamous hang ups to begin with.
And then there's Xanadu their summer pleasure palace.
"In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round; And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. "
Look @UW_Doog_Bot , in spit of your being a 2 silver dollar libertarian, STEM major, I know your love of history is skrong and you're in the higher level discussion bored. I suspect there is a bit of our respective biases taking place in this debate- e.g., I am guessing you've spent some time in the Far East (and India) and I have only been to Asia once. Also, in the interest of transparency, my focus of study has always been the West and I'm weak on the East (excepting a bit on Japan).
There's no question and that from the 13th to 16th centuries, China was the greatest civilization on Earth. In fact until the Opium Wars, Europe (and America) still ran huge trade deficits with the Chinese. They had the goods and we had nothing they wanted to buy other than some furs and ginseng roots. ATBJBS, the world we all live into is a Western one because of Adam Smith and the Industrial Revolution. The West which is a direct descendent of the Roman Empire won. Keep in mind, our descendants may end up living in a China dominated world.
Duh, it's a subjective question so of course biases are important. I'm just having fun taking up the cause of the less known greatest empire of all tim.
If you are using modern, contemporary world culture as a measuring stick, then it's not Rome but English/American common law and property rights we are talking about that has created such a "Westward tilt". Those are not inherently Roman at all.
The Kahn's laugh at the backwards little Roman Kingdom.
Except for their conquest of China which was a huge deal, most of their rapid conquest was open space. The lasting influence to Rome dwarfs that of the Mongols. We are living in a world that Rome started. China may be on the ascent and things could change, but for now they are the ones wearing western suits and not us? dressing like Mandarins.
That's only because you live in the very West Western World that you think this. Did you know that the descendants of the Khan's still rule over kingdoms in the East to this very day? As in, unbroken rule since the original conquest. Direct descendants of Genghis.
Mongol Empire at it's height, 100 million
Roman Empire at it's height, 50 million
Excepting China is like saying, the Roman Empire except for modern day Europe.
They also conquered much of India, which Alexander couldn't do.
Freak weather is all that stopped them from conquering Japan and most likely the rest of India.
The only reason they didn't conquer Europe was because they considered it a backwater full of barbarians too far from home to bother with. Otherwise we might all be wearing Mongol pants.
I'm not discounting how impressive their achievements were but ultimately China went back to being ruled by Han people and not Mongols. And you don't have a billion peeps today speaking Mongolian, BUT you do have a billion speaking offshoots of Latin and another billion speaking Mandarin.
Plus...
The Mongolians were never the majority population except in Mongolia because they far out-conquered their own population and cultural limits. The peasants all spoke their native languages while the rulers spoke Mongolian. If anything, this would be points for the Mongols who punched way outside of their weightclass. Basically all of the ruling dynasties in the lands they conquered were descendants of the Khanate even long after their decline.
Bruh, we gonna give points for the Romans adopting everything the Greeks originally accomplished?
You think Kublai was living in some hut? He founded Beijing as the capital man.
I go back to buildings, some of which included orgy rooms and 'hot baths'.
Kublai wasn't living in no Mongol hut. That's the point. The Khan's founded what would become the Forbidden City and their buildings there still stand to this day. Khan's had harems, baths, and opium dens that rivaled, if not surpassed the Romans'. Nevermind that they didn't have any stupid monogamous hang ups to begin with.
And then there's Xanadu their summer pleasure palace.
"In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round; And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. "
You may have a point. I'll need videos, because those Romans knew how to fucking party.
The Kahn's laugh at the backwards little Roman Kingdom.
Except for their conquest of China which was a huge deal, most of their rapid conquest was open space. The lasting influence to Rome dwarfs that of the Mongols. We are living in a world that Rome started. China may be on the ascent and things could change, but for now they are the ones wearing western suits and not us? dressing like Mandarins.
That's only because you live in the very West Western World that you think this. Did you know that the descendants of the Khan's still rule over kingdoms in the East to this very day? As in, unbroken rule since the original conquest. Direct descendants of Genghis.
Mongol Empire at it's height, 100 million
Roman Empire at it's height, 50 million
Excepting China is like saying, the Roman Empire except for modern day Europe.
They also conquered much of India, which Alexander couldn't do.
Freak weather is all that stopped them from conquering Japan and most likely the rest of India.
The only reason they didn't conquer Europe was because they considered it a backwater full of barbarians too far from home to bother with. Otherwise we might all be wearing Mongol pants.
I'm not discounting how impressive their achievements were but ultimately China went back to being ruled by Han people and not Mongols. And you don't have a billion peeps today speaking Mongolian, BUT you do have a billion speaking offshoots of Latin and another billion speaking Mandarin.
Plus...
The Mongolians were never the majority population except in Mongolia because they far out-conquered their own population and cultural limits. The peasants all spoke their native languages while the rulers spoke Mongolian. If anything, this would be points for the Mongols who punched way outside of their weightclass. Basically all of the ruling dynasties in the lands they conquered were descendants of the Khanate even long after their decline.
Bruh, we gonna give points for the Romans adopting everything the Greeks originally accomplished?
You think Kublai was living in some hut? He founded Beijing as the capital man.
I go back to buildings, some of which included orgy rooms and 'hot baths'.
Kublai wasn't living in no Mongol hut. That's the point. The Khan's founded what would become the Forbidden City and their buildings there still stand to this day. Khan's had harems, baths, and opium dens that rivaled, if not surpassed the Romans'. Nevermind that they didn't have any stupid monogamous hang ups to begin with.
And then there's Xanadu their summer pleasure palace.
"In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round; And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. "
Look @UW_Doog_Bot , in spit of your being a 2 silver dollar libertarian, STEM major, I know your love of history is skrong and you're in the higher level discussion bored. I suspect there is a bit of our respective biases taking place in this debate- e.g., I am guessing you've spent some time in the Far East (and India) and I have only been to Asia once. Also, in the interest of transparency, my focus of study has always been the West and I'm weak on the East (excepting a bit on Japan).
There's no question and that from the 13th to 16th centuries, China was the greatest civilization on Earth. In fact until the Opium Wars, Europe (and America) still ran huge trade deficits with the Chinese. They had the goods and we had nothing they wanted to buy other than some furs and ginseng roots. ATBJBS, the world we all live into is a Western one because of Adam Smith and the Industrial Revolution. The West which is a direct descendent of the Roman Empire won. Keep in mind, our descendants may end up living in a China dominated world.
Duh, it's a subjective question so of course biases are important. I'm just having fun taking up the cause of the less known greatest empire of all tim.
If you are using modern, contemporary world culture as a measuring stick, then it's not Rome but English/American common law and property rights we are talking about that has created such a "Westward tilt". Those are not inherently Roman at all.
Except, as I've pointed out, the duration of that dynasty is quite young, and its future duration quite uncertain.
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The Pantheon > than Mongol Huts.
Plus, Gladiators. [Drops mic]
@YellowSnow wins.
And then there's Xanadu their summer pleasure palace.
"In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round;
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. "
There's no question and that from the 13th to 16th centuries, China was the greatest civilization on Earth. In fact until the Opium Wars, Europe (and America) still ran huge trade deficits with the Chinese. They had the goods and we had nothing they wanted to buy other than some furs and ginseng roots. ATBJBS, the world we all live into is a Western one because of Adam Smith and the Industrial Revolution. The West which is a direct descendent of the Roman Empire won. Keep in mind, our descendants may end up living in a China dominated world.
If you are using modern, contemporary world culture as a measuring stick, then it's not Rome but English/American common law and property rights we are talking about that has created such a "Westward tilt". Those are not inherently Roman at all.
The Throbber is down with the Persian Empire.