Remember when libs used to insist that Obama wasn't a socialist...

SFGbob

and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?

Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1038109264391430145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1038109264391430145&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Face.mu.nu%2F

2001400ex

SFGbob said:

and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?

Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.

http://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1038109264391430145

It's hard.

And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH

SFGbob

He never ran on nationalizing healthcare. In fact he denied that he wanted to nationalize healthcare. So you just lying again or do you want to attribute this to being a dumbfuck?

2001400ex

SFGbob said:

He never ran on nationalizing healthcare. In fact he denied that he wanted to nationalize healthcare. So you just lying again or do you want to attribute this to being a dumbfuck?

What do you call universal health Care?

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obama-health-care-conversion-obamacare-097185

HardlyClothed

He passed market-based health care reform which sucked because anything short of socialized health care is unworkable. Apparently he has realized this, but far too late.

PurpleThrobber

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?

Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.

http://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1038109264391430145

It's hard.

And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH

He ran on look at me, I’m black and white guilt.

His ‘platform’ didn’t mean shit.

2001400ex

PurpleThrobber said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?

Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.

http://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1038109264391430145

It's hard.

And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH

He ran on look at me, I’m black and white guilt.

His ‘platform’ didn’t mean shit.

So you are saying there's more racist black people than racist white people. Could be.

CirrhosisDawg

PurpleThrobber said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?

Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.

http://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1038109264391430145

It's hard.

And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH

He ran on look at me, I’m black and white guilt.

His ‘platform’ didn’t mean shit.

Wtf? A lot of thanks to the guy who’d have been right there with you slashing the tires of tac town teacher scabs back in the old teacher strike days.
You unleash this just a few days after Labor Day? Really?

LoneStarDawg

Not a ton of difference between nationalized healthcare and being forced into 2-3 private healthcare providers.

Not that it’s possible at the US scale, but the Swedish system hasn’t been that bad (10m vs 330m).

dhdawg

SFGbob said:

He never ran on nationalizing healthcare. In fact he denied that he wanted to nationalize healthcare. So you just lying again or do you want to attribute this to being a dumbfuck?

Medicare for all doesn't nationalize healthcare.

Sledog

Remember when Obama said he was a communist and a mooselimb but his fanatics chose not to believe it?

2001400ex

SuchFagBob sure left when he realized he was lying.

SFGbob

2001400ex said:

SuchFagBob sure left when he realized he was lying.

Sorry Kunt, I have a life on the weekends.

If I can tell you who you have to extend coverage to, how much you can charge them and what services you have to provide them I've just nationalized healthcare. Medicare for all puts the Federal Government in complete control of the healthcare industry. They will dictate prices, and they will dictate the coverage and treatments that have to be provided. It's a distinction without a difference.

Why would I ever run from a fucking lying moron like you Hondo?

2001400ex

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SuchFagBob sure left when he realized he was lying.

Sorry Kunt, I have a life on the weekends.

If I can tell you who you have to extend coverage to, how much you can charge them and what services you have to provide them I've just nationalized healthcare. Medicare for all puts the Federal Government in complete control of the healthcare industry. They will dictate prices, and they will dictate the coverage and treatments that have to be provided. It's a distinction without a difference.

Why would I ever run from a fucking lying moron like you Hondo?

So you agree you were lying.

creepycoug

Sledog said:

Remember when Obama said he was a communist and a mooselimb but his fanatics chose not to believe it?

So dumb

GrundleStiltzkin

He also proclaimed marriage to be between one man & one woman, until he didn't. Was he a hateful bigot until that flop?

Sledog

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

Remember when Obama said he was a communist and a mooselimb but his fanatics chose not to believe it?

So dumb

He was very dumb to say those things. Glad we agree on this.

DJDuck

Bob is correct as usual.

Campaigning on Single Payer?

"We debunked this falsehood when Sen. John McCain said it during the third presidential debate. McCain claimed that “as he said, his object is a single payer system.” But as a presidential candidate, Obama didn’t say that at all. And the plan he proposed wasn’t a single-payer system, one in which everyone is covered by health insurance through the government. As we said in our Oct. 16 article, Obama said at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque last summer that a single payer system would “probably” be his first choice “if” he were “designing a system from scratch.” But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/


"Obama, May 14: If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.

The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.

So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."

BTW Bob, Owl still has his insurance and it hasn't changed. I think he is still looking for that $2,500 though.

PurpleJ

Obama ran as a moderate who was SERIOUS about the national debt in 2008. He lied his ass off and my dumbass 20 year old self voted for him.

2001400ex

DJDuck said:

Bob is correct as usual.

Campaigning on Single Payer?

"We debunked this falsehood when Sen. John McCain said it during the third presidential debate. McCain claimed that “as he said, his object is a single payer system.” But as a presidential candidate, Obama didn’t say that at all. And the plan he proposed wasn’t a single-payer system, one in which everyone is covered by health insurance through the government. As we said in our Oct. 16 article, Obama said at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque last summer that a single payer system would “probably” be his first choice “if” he were “designing a system from scratch.” But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/


"Obama, May 14: If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.

The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.

So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."

BTW Bob, Owl still has his insurance and it hasn't changed. I think he is still looking for that $2,500 though.

So he was for universal health Care. Got it.

SFGbob

2001400ex said:

DJDuck said:

Bob is correct as usual.

Campaigning on Single Payer?

"We debunked this falsehood when Sen. John McCain said it during the third presidential debate. McCain claimed that “as he said, his object is a single payer system.” But as a presidential candidate, Obama didn’t say that at all. And the plan he proposed wasn’t a single-payer system, one in which everyone is covered by health insurance through the government. As we said in our Oct. 16 article, Obama said at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque last summer that a single payer system would “probably” be his first choice “if” he were “designing a system from scratch.” But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/


"Obama, May 14: If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.

The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.

So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."

BTW Bob, Owl still has his insurance and it hasn't changed. I think he is still looking for that $2,500 though.

So he was for universal health Care. Got it.

He was for a single payer system and he just lied and claimed he wasn't. Kind of like how you lie here all the time. I can see why you like him so much. You both have a lot in common. Just like with gay marriage, now he feels free to state what his real position was all along. Medicare for all = single payer healthcare. Single payer health care = Nationalization of healthcare.