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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,709
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    We have them. My friends father need a major operation. The hospital had to wait for approval. The powers that be had to see he was high enough on the "quality of life" index before performing the surgery. True story.
    So, what private insurance does all the time?
    Poont one out. No one I know has been turned down for a life saving procedure by their private insurance.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    We have them. My friends father need a major operation. The hospital had to wait for approval. The powers that be had to see he was high enough on the "quality of life" index before performing the surgery. True story.
    So, what private insurance does all the time?
    Poont one out. No one I know has been turned down for a life saving procedure by their private insurance.
    Well then I guess it never happens.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,709
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    We have them. My friends father need a major operation. The hospital had to wait for approval. The powers that be had to see he was high enough on the "quality of life" index before performing the surgery. True story.
    So, what private insurance does all the time?
    Poont one out. No one I know has been turned down for a life saving procedure by their private insurance.
    Well then I guess it never happens.
    So you have nothing therefore I am wrong. You're smart.
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,220
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    We have them. My friends father need a major operation. The hospital had to wait for approval. The powers that be had to see he was high enough on the "quality of life" index before performing the surgery. True story.
    So, what private insurance does all the time?
    Poont one out. No one I know has been turned down for a life saving procedure by their private insurance.
    Well then I guess it never happens.
    So you have nothing therefore I am wrong. You're smart.
    Yeah, that's what he said, you fucking retard.

    You're wrong and too fucking stupid to know it.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    We have them. My friends father need a major operation. The hospital had to wait for approval. The powers that be had to see he was high enough on the "quality of life" index before performing the surgery. True story.
    So, what private insurance does all the time?
    Poont one out. No one I know has been turned down for a life saving procedure by their private insurance.
    Well then I guess it never happens.
    So you have nothing therefore I am wrong. You're smart.
    Thank you
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,203
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    We have them. My friends father need a major operation. The hospital had to wait for approval. The powers that be had to see he was high enough on the "quality of life" index before performing the surgery. True story.
    So, what private insurance does all the time?
    Poont one out. No one I know has been turned down for a life saving procedure by their private insurance.
    Well then I guess it never happens.
    Nah, I like people to be able to make their own financial decisions and purchase more healthcare to extend their life if they can afford it. You know, like how it works in basically every other service system we have. Buy shitty insurance that'll pull the plug on you or buy gold plated insurance at your own risk.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,709
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    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    We have them. My friends father need a major operation. The hospital had to wait for approval. The powers that be had to see he was high enough on the "quality of life" index before performing the surgery. True story.
    So, what private insurance does all the time?
    Poont one out. No one I know has been turned down for a life saving procedure by their private insurance.
    Well then I guess it never happens.
    So you have nothing therefore I am wrong. You're smart.
    Yeah, that's what he said, you fucking retard.

    You're wrong and too fucking stupid to know it.
    Well all of your vast experience seems to have a gap in any knowledge of the actual world. But then those basement walls are thick. Much like your skull.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    dflea said:

    Quite honestly, the amount of money spent to sustain the last days of one’s life is goddamned ridiculous.

    This is the absolute truth. Consuming 30-40% of your lifetime health expense in the last 30-60 days of your life is completely fucking outrageous. It's nothing more than hospitals preying on the families of the patient.

    But we have to be pussies who want to make it more difficult to off yourself while we cry about health care expense at the same time. That's why we can't have nice things.

    You could put an end to that if you abolished the programs that subsidized it. Make people contribute tax free health savings accounts during their working years and allow that money to be invested during their working years and then when they die allow that money to be treated as an asset they can pass onto their family.

    What incentive now does someone or some family member have in not spending everything they can for healthcare at the end of a love one's life? None, if it's covered by Medicare and private insurance.

    Don't blame the Hospitals. The families are choosing to do this because there is no incentive for them not to.
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,220
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    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    Quite honestly, the amount of money spent to sustain the last days of one’s life is goddamned ridiculous.

    This is the absolute truth. Consuming 30-40% of your lifetime health expense in the last 30-60 days of your life is completely fucking outrageous. It's nothing more than hospitals preying on the families of the patient.

    But we have to be pussies who want to make it more difficult to off yourself while we cry about health care expense at the same time. That's why we can't have nice things.

    You could put an end to that if you abolished the programs that subsidized it. Make people contribute tax free health savings accounts during their working years and allow that money to be invested during their working years and then when they die allow that money to be treated as an asset they can pass onto their family.

    What incentive now does someone or some family member have in not spending everything they can for healthcare at the end of a love one's life? None, if it's covered by Medicare and private insurance.

    Don't blame the Hospitals. The families are choosing to do this because there is no incentive for them not to.
    If you don't think the hospitals are playing a role in it, you're being naive. However, I agree with the bulk of your post.

    The problem is also the public and the "death panel" hysteria. What the fuck - how about if you sack up and admit you're going to die and come to grips with the fact that if you're not independently wealthy, decisions have to be made about how much to spend on your ass when you're at the end of your run. The first people that should be offed are the ones coming up with names like "death panels".



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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    dflea said:

    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    Quite honestly, the amount of money spent to sustain the last days of one’s life is goddamned ridiculous.

    This is the absolute truth. Consuming 30-40% of your lifetime health expense in the last 30-60 days of your life is completely fucking outrageous. It's nothing more than hospitals preying on the families of the patient.

    But we have to be pussies who want to make it more difficult to off yourself while we cry about health care expense at the same time. That's why we can't have nice things.

    You could put an end to that if you abolished the programs that subsidized it. Make people contribute tax free health savings accounts during their working years and allow that money to be invested during their working years and then when they die allow that money to be treated as an asset they can pass onto their family.

    What incentive now does someone or some family member have in not spending everything they can for healthcare at the end of a love one's life? None, if it's covered by Medicare and private insurance.

    Don't blame the Hospitals. The families are choosing to do this because there is no incentive for them not to.
    If you don't think the hospitals are playing a role in it, you're being naive. However, I agree with the bulk of your post.

    The problem is also the public and the "death panel" hysteria. What the fuck - how about if you sack up and admit you're going to die and come to grips with the fact that if you're not independently wealthy, decisions have to be made about how much to spend on your ass when you're at the end of your run. The first people that should be offed are the ones coming up with names like "death panels".



    The only reason you have a "death panel" is if you publicly financed healthcare. You have to be able to ration care at someone level. Why would a person on Medicare sack up and admit they were going to die? Or better yet, why would their family admit that when they aren't going to be the ones who are paying the bills? If I know that I'm not paying for it then I'm going to request that the hospitals do everything in their power to keep grandma alive. If you knew you were going to die anyway or you knew that grandpa was going to die anyway would you really be as free with the spending on end of life care if it was coming out of your own pocket?


    Hell no.

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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    Its not over for death panels

    Eventually whatever we? do is going to require them

    Even if it is the private sector floating the old folks out to sea on icebergs
    Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    Quite honestly, the amount of money spent to sustain the last days of one’s life is goddamned ridiculous.

    This is the absolute truth. Consuming 30-40% of your lifetime health expense in the last 30-60 days of your life is completely fucking outrageous. It's nothing more than hospitals preying on the families of the patient.

    But we have to be pussies who want to make it more difficult to off yourself while we cry about health care expense at the same time. That's why we can't have nice things.

    You could put an end to that if you abolished the programs that subsidized it. Make people contribute tax free health savings accounts during their working years and allow that money to be invested during their working years and then when they die allow that money to be treated as an asset they can pass onto their family.

    What incentive now does someone or some family member have in not spending everything they can for healthcare at the end of a love one's life? None, if it's covered by Medicare and private insurance.

    Don't blame the Hospitals. The families are choosing to do this because there is no incentive for them not to.
    If you don't think the hospitals are playing a role in it, you're being naive. However, I agree with the bulk of your post.

    The problem is also the public and the "death panel" hysteria. What the fuck - how about if you sack up and admit you're going to die and come to grips with the fact that if you're not independently wealthy, decisions have to be made about how much to spend on your ass when you're at the end of your run. The first people that should be offed are the ones coming up with names like "death panels".



    The only reason you have a "death panel" is if you publicly financed healthcare. You have to be able to ration care at someone level. Why would a person on Medicare sack up and admit they were going to die? Or better yet, why would their family admit that when they aren't going to be the ones who are paying the bills? If I know that I'm not paying for it then I'm going to request that the hospitals do everything in their power to keep grandma alive. If you knew you were going to die anyway or you knew that grandpa was going to die anyway would you really be as free with the spending on end of life care if it was coming out of your own pocket?


    Hell no.

    Because private insurance is known to keep people alive in the same scenario. Ok!
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    KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,750
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    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    Its not over for death panels

    Eventually whatever we? do is going to require them

    Even if it is the private sector floating the old folks out to sea on icebergs
    Everyone wants to do an Alaskan cruise before they pass, so I don’t see the problem.

    #icebucketlist.
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    UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,108
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    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog prefers a business with a profit motive to determine his health Care. Just don't whine when they pull the plug on your vegetable ass.

    Death panels burger bitch.
    We were promised death panels, and then never got them. Missed opportunity IMHO.
    Its not over for death panels

    Eventually whatever we? do is going to require them

    Even if it is the private sector floating the old folks out to sea on icebergs
    Everyone wants to do an Alaskan cruise before they pass, so I don’t see the problem.

    #icebucketlist.
    I don't get the appeal of an Alaskan Cruise. No casino, no pool, shitty food. Save the money and fly into Sitka and you can see the same shit without being trapped with 2,000 geriatrics for a week.
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    oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    dflea said:

    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    Quite honestly, the amount of money spent to sustain the last days of one’s life is goddamned ridiculous.

    This is the absolute truth. Consuming 30-40% of your lifetime health expense in the last 30-60 days of your life is completely fucking outrageous. It's nothing more than hospitals preying on the families of the patient.

    But we have to be pussies who want to make it more difficult to off yourself while we cry about health care expense at the same time. That's why we can't have nice things.

    You could put an end to that if you abolished the programs that subsidized it. Make people contribute tax free health savings accounts during their working years and allow that money to be invested during their working years and then when they die allow that money to be treated as an asset they can pass onto their family.

    What incentive now does someone or some family member have in not spending everything they can for healthcare at the end of a love one's life? None, if it's covered by Medicare and private insurance.

    Don't blame the Hospitals. The families are choosing to do this because there is no incentive for them not to.
    If you don't think the hospitals are playing a role in it, you're being naive. However, I agree with the bulk of your post.

    The problem is also the public and the "death panel" hysteria. What the fuck - how about if you sack up and admit you're going to die and come to grips with the fact that if you're not independently wealthy, decisions have to be made about how much to spend on your ass when you're at the end of your run. The first people that should be offed are the ones coming up with names like "death panels".



    You're the first person who should be offed.
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    dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,220
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    dflea said:

    SFGbob said:

    dflea said:

    Quite honestly, the amount of money spent to sustain the last days of one’s life is goddamned ridiculous.

    This is the absolute truth. Consuming 30-40% of your lifetime health expense in the last 30-60 days of your life is completely fucking outrageous. It's nothing more than hospitals preying on the families of the patient.

    But we have to be pussies who want to make it more difficult to off yourself while we cry about health care expense at the same time. That's why we can't have nice things.

    You could put an end to that if you abolished the programs that subsidized it. Make people contribute tax free health savings accounts during their working years and allow that money to be invested during their working years and then when they die allow that money to be treated as an asset they can pass onto their family.

    What incentive now does someone or some family member have in not spending everything they can for healthcare at the end of a love one's life? None, if it's covered by Medicare and private insurance.

    Don't blame the Hospitals. The families are choosing to do this because there is no incentive for them not to.
    If you don't think the hospitals are playing a role in it, you're being naive. However, I agree with the bulk of your post.

    The problem is also the public and the "death panel" hysteria. What the fuck - how about if you sack up and admit you're going to die and come to grips with the fact that if you're not independently wealthy, decisions have to be made about how much to spend on your ass when you're at the end of your run. The first people that should be offed are the ones coming up with names like "death panels".



    You're the first person who should be offed.
    Bring help.
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