+ I know thish book! And I... was never here I'm talking about that industrial waste puke ... so that a man could walk from Greenland to Iceland to Scotland without getting his feet wet.
None of the movies were nearly as good as their respective books, which makes them all minor disappoontments, even H4RO. When Patriot Games came out Clancy was asked in an interview how he felt about the changes they made for the screenplay, and he said that when he first read it he cried. Paramount had a talk with him that evening about how he needed to pimp their films of his work so he'd keep getting paid, and the next day he went out and pimped like they told him to. SAD!
Red October is obviously the best, but even setting aside the changes they made to the story, it still was kinda meh when it came out, because by that time the USSR was well on its way to imploding and it just didn't have the oomph that the book did when it came out in 1984 when we? were less than a year past maximum tension/danger. Plus the special effects looked horrible, as if they were too cheap to pay ILM to do it right.
I'm probably one of the few westerners who read Hunt For Red October behind the Iron Curtain (Budapest, 1985). I felt so subversive
None of the movies were nearly as good as their respective books, which makes them all minor disappoontments, even H4RO. When Patriot Games came out Clancy was asked in an interview how he felt about the changes they made for the screenplay, and he said that when he first read it he cried. Paramount had a talk with him that evening about how he needed to pimp their films of his work so he'd keep getting paid, and the next day he went out and pimped like they told him to. SAD!
Red October is obviously the best, but even setting aside the changes they made to the story, it still was kinda meh when it came out, because by that time the USSR was well on its way to imploding and it just didn't have the oomph that the book did when it came out in 1984 when we? were less than a year past maximum tension/danger. Plus the special effects looked horrible, as if they were too cheap to pay ILM to do it right.
I'm probably one of the few westerners who read Hunt For Red October behind the Iron Curtain (Budapest, 1985). I felt so subversive
None of the movies were nearly as good as their respective books, which makes them all minor disappoontments, even H4RO. When Patriot Games came out Clancy was asked in an interview how he felt about the changes they made for the screenplay, and he said that when he first read it he cried. Paramount had a talk with him that evening about how he needed to pimp their films of his work so he'd keep getting paid, and the next day he went out and pimped like they told him to. SAD!
Red October is obviously the best, but even setting aside the changes they made to the story, it still was kinda meh when it came out, because by that time the USSR was well on its way to imploding and it just didn't have the oomph that the book did when it came out in 1984 when we? were less than a year past maximum tension/danger. Plus the special effects looked horrible, as if they were too cheap to pay ILM to do it right.
I'm probably one of the few westerners who read Hunt For Red October behind the Iron Curtain (Budapest, 1985). I felt so subversive
We are damn lucky to have the former Cal oarsman as our resident Cold War expurt.
Red October is the best of the books IMO but Patriot Games the movie was pretty solid.
Clear and Present Danger had such good potential as a movie, good source material and just fell flat.
Did the walk through USNA and surrounding Annapolis neighborhood a few months after seeing Patriot Games (witnessed a Naval wedding with raised sabers, which was pretty cool). Patriot Games did have a young Polly Walker, which is good, but it also had Anne Archer doing her wifey "Just get him, Jack!" bullshit. If I were Tom Clancy, I'd have cried, too
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
Read em in publication order. Red Storm Rising first. Then Red October onwards in publication order. Stop when Jack Jr. starts.
Red October is the best of the books IMO but Patriot Games the movie was pretty solid.
Clear and Present Danger had such good potential as a movie, good source material and just fell flat.
Did the walk through USNA and surrounding Annapolis neighborhood a few months after seeing Patriot Games (witnessed a Naval wedding with raised sabers, which was pretty cool). Patriot Games did have a young Polly Walker, which is good, but it also had Anne Archer doing her wifey "Just get him, Jack!" bullshit. If I were Tom Clancy, I'd have cried, too
Red October is the best of the books IMO but Patriot Games the movie was pretty solid.
Clear and Present Danger had such good potential as a movie, good source material and just fell flat.
Did the walk through USNA and surrounding Annapolis neighborhood a few months after seeing Patriot Games (witnessed a Naval wedding with raised sabers, which was pretty cool). Patriot Games did have a young Polly Walker, which is good, but it also had Anne Archer doing her wifey "Just get him, Jack!" bullshit. If I were Tom Clancy, I'd have cried, too
Wood absolutely savage Anne Archer circa '95.
Wood probably still savage Anne Archer circa '18 but the refractory period would be longer.
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
Hunt for Red October is great. Taut thriller. Put yourself in the position of reading it in 1984/5, when the Sovs were still scary, intel was hard to come by, how the fuck did this guy know all this shit? Insurance salesman? Bring him in, find out what he knows. Favorite bit is when the A-10s light up the Kirov.
Skip Red Storm Rising, it's a write-up of a wargame. Fine if you're into that, but outside the Jack Ryan world.
I'd read Cardinal of the Kremlin next, even though Patriot Games came out before. Either/or here. Then Clear and Present Danger. You can probably stop there. The rest got increasingly bloated and preachy. I was in DC working three blocks from the WH when I read Debt of Honor, and I recall throwing the book across the room when I finished it, the ending pissed me off so much (the only other book I've thrown across the room upon completion was Clan of the Cave Bear).
Red October is the best of the books IMO but Patriot Games the movie was pretty solid.
Clear and Present Danger had such good potential as a movie, good source material and just fell flat.
Did the walk through USNA and surrounding Annapolis neighborhood a few months after seeing Patriot Games (witnessed a Naval wedding with raised sabers, which was pretty cool). Patriot Games did have a young Polly Walker, which is good, but it also had Anne Archer doing her wifey "Just get him, Jack!" bullshit. If I were Tom Clancy, I'd have cried, too
Wood absolutely savage Anne Archer circa '95.
Wood probably still savage Anne Archer circa '18 but the refractory period would be longer.
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
I was in DC working three blocks from the WH when I read Debt of Honor, and I recall throwing the book across the room when I finished it, the ending pissed me off so much
I remember having a similar reaction at the time (I think that book came out in the mid 90s) - and then 9/11 happened. Clancy got a lot of FREE PUB! in the ensuing weeks.
Red October is the best of the books IMO but Patriot Games the movie was pretty solid.
Clear and Present Danger had such good potential as a movie, good source material and just fell flat.
Did the walk through USNA and surrounding Annapolis neighborhood a few months after seeing Patriot Games (witnessed a Naval wedding with raised sabers, which was pretty cool). Patriot Games did have a young Polly Walker, which is good, but it also had Anne Archer doing her wifey "Just get him, Jack!" bullshit. If I were Tom Clancy, I'd have cried, too
Wood absolutely savage Anne Archer circa '95.
Wood probably still savage Anne Archer circa '18 but the refractory period would be longer.
Oh, most definitely.
She has a decent collection of nudes. The Man in the Attic has a nice fuck on the couch scene.
The sex scene with now-gay Doogie Howser is sorta odd. Amiright @AsiaArgentoDawg?
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
Hunt for Red October is great. Taut thriller. Put yourself in the position of reading it in 1984/5, when the Sovs were still scary, intel was hard to come by, how the fuck did this guy know all this shit? Insurance salesman? Bring him in, find out what he knows. Favorite bit is when the A-10s light up the Kirov.
Skip Red Storm Rising, it's a write-up of a wargame. Fine if you're into that, but outside the Jack Ryan world.
I'd read Cardinal of the Kremlin next, even though Patriot Games came out before. Either/or here. Then Clear and Present Danger. You can probably stop there. The rest got increasingly bloated and preachy. I was in DC working three blocks from the WH when I read Debt of Honor, and I recall throwing the book across the room when I finished it, the ending pissed me off so much (the only other book I've thrown across the room upon completion was Clan of the Cave Bear).
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
Hunt for Red October is great. Taut thriller. Put yourself in the position of reading it in 1984/5, when the Sovs were still scary, intel was hard to come by, how the fuck did this guy know all this shit? Insurance salesman? Bring him in, find out what he knows. Favorite bit is when the A-10s light up the Kirov.
Skip Red Storm Rising, it's a write-up of a wargame. Fine if you're into that, but outside the Jack Ryan world.
I'd read Cardinal of the Kremlin next, even though Patriot Games came out before. Either/or here. Then Clear and Present Danger. You can probably stop there. The rest got increasingly bloated and preachy. I was in DC working three blocks from the WH when I read Debt of Honor, and I recall throwing the book across the room when I finished it, the ending pissed me off so much (the only other book I've thrown across the room upon completion was Clan of the Cave Bear).
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
Hunt for Red October is great. Taut thriller. Put yourself in the position of reading it in 1984/5, when the Sovs were still scary, intel was hard to come by, how the fuck did this guy know all this shit? Insurance salesman? Bring him in, find out what he knows. Favorite bit is when the A-10s light up the Kirov.
Skip Red Storm Rising, it's a write-up of a wargame. Fine if you're into that, but outside the Jack Ryan world.
I'd read Cardinal of the Kremlin next, even though Patriot Games came out before. Either/or here. Then Clear and Present Danger. You can probably stop there. The rest got increasingly bloated and preachy. I was in DC working three blocks from the WH when I read Debt of Honor, and I recall throwing the book across the room when I finished it, the ending pissed me off so much (the only other book I've thrown across the room upon completion was Clan of the Cave Bear).
Ok, so I've never read a Tom Clancy novel before. I've always been mostly a non-fiction dude. What should I read first? Is Red October the place to start?
Hunt for Red October is great. Taut thriller. Put yourself in the position of reading it in 1984/5, when the Sovs were still scary, intel was hard to come by, how the fuck did this guy know all this shit? Insurance salesman? Bring him in, find out what he knows. Favorite bit is when the A-10s light up the Kirov.
Skip Red Storm Rising, it's a write-up of a wargame. Fine if you're into that, but outside the Jack Ryan world.
I'd read Cardinal of the Kremlin next, even though Patriot Games came out before. Either/or here. Then Clear and Present Danger. You can probably stop there. The rest got increasingly bloated and preachy. I was in DC working three blocks from the WH when I read Debt of Honor, and I recall throwing the book across the room when I finished it, the ending pissed me off so much (the only other book I've thrown across the room upon completion was Clan of the Cave Bear).
What did you think of Without Remorse?
Not Boors, but I dug it.
Same. Clark is one of the best characters.
That book still makes me want to get a lathe. And an island.
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Do know Swaye what carrier they were on in the movie? I don't know if it's even referenced.
Red October is obviously the best, but even setting aside the changes they made to the story, it still was kinda meh when it came out, because by that time the USSR was well on its way to imploding and it just didn't have the oomph that the book did when it came out in 1984 when we? were less than a year past maximum tension/danger. Plus the special effects looked horrible, as if they were too cheap to pay ILM to do it right.
I'm probably one of the few westerners who read Hunt For Red October behind the Iron Curtain (Budapest, 1985). I felt so subversive
Clear and Present Danger had such good potential as a movie, good source material and just fell flat.
Read em in publication order.Red Storm Rising first. Then Red October onwards in publication order. Stop when Jack Jr. starts.Wood absolutely savage Anne Archer circa '95.
Wood probably still savage Anne Archer circa '18 but the refractory period would be longer.
Skip Red Storm Rising, it's a write-up of a wargame. Fine if you're into that, but outside the Jack Ryan world.
I'd read Cardinal of the Kremlin next, even though Patriot Games came out before. Either/or here. Then Clear and Present Danger. You can probably stop there. The rest got increasingly bloated and preachy. I was in DC working three blocks from the WH when I read Debt of Honor, and I recall throwing the book across the room when I finished it, the ending pissed me off so much (the only other book I've thrown across the room upon completion was Clan of the Cave Bear).
The sex scene with now-gay Doogie Howser is sorta odd. Amiright @AsiaArgentoDawg?