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This week's higher lever history: Stalin vs Hitler
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Not so mind boggling when you consider even now the left is in denial.YellowSnow said:
Mind boggling how much the fellow traveling left in the US was in denial about Stalin in the 1930s. Hitler in the 1930s was not much a villain at all compared to Uncle Joe.RaceBannon said:Socialism and communism should be just as reviled as Nazis.
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True, but Bernie (as much of a cook as I view him to be) ain't exactly Stalin or Mao as much of a false equivalence that OBK might draw.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not so mind boggling when you consider even now the left is in denial.YellowSnow said:
Mind boggling how much the fellow traveling left in the US was in denial about Stalin in the 1930s. Hitler in the 1930s was not much a villain at all compared to Uncle Joe.RaceBannon said:Socialism and communism should be just as reviled as Nazis.
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Path to serfdom my friend. He's just Trotsky.YellowSnow said:
True, but Bernie (as much of a cook as I view him to be) ain't exactly Stalin or Mao as much of a false equivalence that OBK might draw.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not so mind boggling when you consider even now the left is in denial.YellowSnow said:
Mind boggling how much the fellow traveling left in the US was in denial about Stalin in the 1930s. Hitler in the 1930s was not much a villain at all compared to Uncle Joe.RaceBannon said:Socialism and communism should be just as reviled as Nazis.
And yet
Also, having seen his cheap circus acts at his rally's I view him as a career politician who just found a platform to enrich himself. -
Nah, more like pre Thatcher Britain than Trotsky, but still...UW_Doog_Bot said:
Path to serfdom my friend. He's just Trotsky.YellowSnow said:
True, but Bernie (as much of a cook as I view him to be) ain't exactly Stalin or Mao as much of a false equivalence that OBK might draw.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not so mind boggling when you consider even now the left is in denial.YellowSnow said:
Mind boggling how much the fellow traveling left in the US was in denial about Stalin in the 1930s. Hitler in the 1930s was not much a villain at all compared to Uncle Joe.RaceBannon said:Socialism and communism should be just as reviled as Nazis.
And yet
Also, having seen his cheap circus acts at his rally's I view him as a career politician who just found a platform to enrich himself. -
And yet the media acts like a group that carries Soviet flags and wears Che Guevara shirts as “good” because the fight the white nationalists.RaceBannon said:Socialism and communism should be just as reviled as Nazis.
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It’s almost like condemning egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides is the correct call. -
Unlike Lenin, Stalin is without question a villian of history who betrayed the revolution and created a personality cult police state.
But could the Soviets have endured the loss of 30 million soldiers and continued fighting without the personality cult of Stalin? Probably not.
It is objectively better for the world that the Soviets triumphed over Nazi Germany.
Can you envision a victorious Nazi Germany engaging in de-Hitlerization following his death like Khruschev did with Stalin in the 1950’s? -
Lenin murdered his opponents and installed an economic system responsible for starving millions to death.
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Bernie is similar to Attlee but with charismaYellowSnow said:
Nah, more like pre Thatcher Britain than Trotsky, but still...UW_Doog_Bot said:
Path to serfdom my friend. He's just Trotsky.YellowSnow said:
True, but Bernie (as much of a cook as I view him to be) ain't exactly Stalin or Mao as much of a false equivalence that OBK might draw.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Not so mind boggling when you consider even now the left is in denial.YellowSnow said:
Mind boggling how much the fellow traveling left in the US was in denial about Stalin in the 1930s. Hitler in the 1930s was not much a villain at all compared to Uncle Joe.RaceBannon said:Socialism and communism should be just as reviled as Nazis.
And yet
Also, having seen his cheap circus acts at his rally's I view him as a career politician who just found a platform to enrich himself. -
tl;drYellowSnow said:Excellent TL; DR piece here in the debate of who was worse: Hitler or Stalin? I tend to lean towards Nazi Germany in this one. Stalin won the first half- i.e., 1933- 39 - in a blow out. But once the Germans got their reads down on foreign soil after 1939 it wasn't close.
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2011/01/27/hitler-vs-stalin-who-was-worse/
my take, based on absolutely nothing of any value, is that Stalin was just trying to get his guys out of there, while Hitler was just trying to get his guys in there. The latter is way worser. -
Replacing the Tsarist system with communism and beating back the western funded white armies was good.PurpleJ said:Lenin murdered his opponents and installed an economic system responsible for starving millions to death.
Stalin did Holodomor FYI.
