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AUB vs Wash - Week 1 starting OL ...

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  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Tequilla said:

    @FremontTroll hit a lot of the high level topics

    Personally, I'm optimistic about Adams. There's still a while to go before the game and I feel like they are just slowly building him back up to get ready for the game. If he's in the 85-90% range I don't think he plays. If he's in the 95%+ range I'm sure he does play. Likely a fair point though that it may be possible that his conditioning could be an issue though early in the season

    Wattenberg filled in last year at LT when Adams got hurt and as noted did a decent enough job for a guy best suited inside. He's a very talented guy on the interior and has a bright future. I suspect that he'll be a mid-round draft pick at worst by the time he graduates.

    Center (Nick Harris) is the guy that Bama rag dolled as a true freshman when he was playing RG. Moving inside SHOULD help him out as very rarely does CENTER have to block 1 on 1. Obviously any time that you get a position switch you have to let it play out a bit. But if his run game prowess follow over to the CENTER position it should be a positive move. He's got big shoes to fill in replacing Coleman Shelton (go watch some video from the Colorado game last year to see how much we can ask of our centers in the run game particularly pulling).

    RG is going to be a giant question mark to see who emerges. Henry Bainivalu is a RS Frosh that is very, very talented. Obviously a question for any young guy how they respond on the big stage. Another name to keep an eye on is Henry Roberts. He's a former 4* guy that has largely underperformed so far in his career. Now as an RS Jr, it looks like the light may finally be going on for him.

    McGary is generally pretty good and definitely passes the look test. He can get lost from time to time but there's little mediocre in his game. It's either really good or really bad.

    All in all, if guys like James or Boomer Sossebee hit the field against Auburn in anything less than garbage time, UW's going to be in big trouble.

    kaleb when he is on he is potential first rounder, too inconsistent though
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 62,422 Founders Club
    Someone be a good host and explain Five Reasons to AuburnFan.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,357 Founders Club

    AuburnFan said:

    So, how's UWs OL shaping up? Injuries? I know you all thought Adams wouldn't play ... but what these trainers can do, with the likes of a torn ACL, has gotten to the point where
    these players can come back earlier than expected. We had our third and fourth best WR tear their ACLs back in April and they were out practicing yesterday ... Coaches say they expect them back at some point in the season.

    Here's a bit of info on our OL (which if I had to say ... would be our biggest concern)

    The Center position would've gone to a highly touted redshirt freshmen (Brahms) but he broke his leg. Jr Kaleb Kim (former 4 star who hasn't lived up to his billing) was slated to start their.
    However yesterday we got word that they moved our most experienced OL (RG Mike Horton) to Center. We had a bit of a log jam at RT (Grad transfer Driskoll, 5* RF Ashley & RF Austin Troxell were battling it out) but this actually makes a lot of sense when you're talking about "Best 5".

    Now, this is based off the first practice of Fall camp .. But I think If I had to bet, our starting OL would be (From LT -RT):
    Tega Wongo, Harrell, Horton, Ashley, Driskoll. I'm going with Driskoll at RT over the highly recruited Troxell based on experience.

    Wongo - freak but cost us dearly in the Clemson game. Played one year of HS ball, redshirted then started against arguably the best DL in college football last year. Gave up several sacks.
    He lost his job after week 2 but came on towards the end of the year and earned it back.
    LG Harrell - He and Horton started several games last year, we feel very good about our guards (well, we feel good about Harrell and Horton)

    C Horton - I like this move a lot, it lets 5* Ashley move inside to allow Driskoll and Troxell to battle at RT.

    RG Ashley - Uber talented, offered by every school ... BUT .... 1st game against a great Defense (Sounds like Tega from last year ) we'll see how he holds up

    RT Driskoll - UMass grad started many games on that level, but coaches raved about him in the Spring and he held his own against Miss State last year (didn't give up a sack) ..
    MSU has a nasty DL which is ranked in the Top 3 of the SEC this year ... highlighted by the 5 star Jr Jeffrey Simmons a.k.a. the woman beater who Driskoll went head to head with often in that game

    As an Auburn fan, I feel more comfortable about this group than I would with Kim starting at Center. I think Brahms could've been a 4 year starter ... but with him out, I'm glad the coaches have explored this instead of just settling for Kim at C.


    Let me know about the poor souls on your OL that will have to face our DL (I'm sure some of you fags like @CuntWaffle feel the same about your DL vs our OL)

    I have tertiary stage syphilis.
    You misspelled Hondo.
  • AuburnFanAuburnFan Member Posts: 173

    I tried to make a serious response earlier but the board ate it. Which goes to show how far the board will go to avoid higher level discussion. @AuburnFan

    It all hinges on Adams being healthy. With a healthy Adams anchoring the left side with Watty the line could hold its own. Without Adams whichever guard gets moved out to LT will likely be turnstiled all night and our interior will be weaker as well due to having to replace our best guard. The run game won't get going and we will get mopey Jack Browning going 3 and out all night.

    Adams-Wattenberg-Harris-Bainivalu/James-McGary is the lineup.

    Adams, Sr- 4-year starter, athletic, physical specimen. Potential top-10 pick next year if back to full strength.

    Watty, rSo- forced to fill in at LT for Adams for the last half of 2017 did OK despite his lack of experience and playing outside his natural guard position.

    Harris, Jr- big plusses and minuses. Great in the run game because he moves so well and is aggressive as fuck finishing blocks but has been a liability against physical teams in pass pro since he is so undersized. General consensus that the move from guard to C will help some in pass pro.

    Bain, rFr- Hoping he takes this spot from senior JAG James just because James sucks and all the other depth sucks. A tackle after Adams and McGary leave. Recovering from back issues.

    McGary, rSr- our other bookend 4 year starter and another country-strong physical specimen but not nearly as athletic or smooth as Adams. Can get beat badly at times but will be at minimum a mid-round draft pick.

    With Adams out or limited the options are either to slide Watty outside like they did last year and replace him with Bain, James, or Sossebee or insert Bain at LT and keep everyone else the same. In camp they've been running with Bain at LT we will see if he is ready for Auburn in his first ncaa game.


    Good stuff. I would like to see the matchup of Adams vs Davidson and Moultry (we rotate a lot ... but these two are both 5* guys) Davidson projected as a 1st rounder and Moultry was a freak last year as a true freshman playing behind Jeff Holland.
    Our DL coach says that TD Moultry is better than Carl Lawson who starts for the Bengals now.

    Our D Line:

    SDE - Davidson Jr - Has been a force since his freshman year, we'll go pro early after this season
    DT - Russel Sr - Started every game since a Freshman, doesn't get the recognition he deserves by being sandwiched in between 3 5*s but he was a highly recruited player in HS as well (4*)
    DT - Derrick Brown Jr - Stud DT that will also go pro after this year 5*
    WDE/Buck - TD Moultry - 5* True Freshman who played on this talented DL last year ... played more towards the end of the year ... some think he could contend for Auburn's All Time sack leader

    2nd string
    Coe 5* who played well against Bama and UGA in the rotation last year
    Williams Sr played in every game for 3 years in rotation
    Truesdell 4* SO
    Bryant 4* highly rated ... going to be the next big time DE.

    You can see why I get boners over our DL.

    at LB we're as stacked at all three positions. Anchored by 2 Srs and we had one of the best LB recruiting classes in the country last year ... those guys are SO now.

    We're very excited about our CBs one full time starter and one guy who started a few games but played in all.
    One experienced S who had 2 Ints against Bama and one that's a Jr ... more concerned about Safety depth (2nd string are both Tr Fr ... both highly recruited 4*s)

    Clemson might have a SLIGHT ... SLIGHT lead over us for the best DL in college football ... but it's debatable. But we have the best overall Front 7 in CFB ... even over Bama ....

    The only reason we're not ranked in the top 3 with a stud QB is the question marks about our OL ... which I addressed in another thread.
  • QuietcowskeeQuietcowskee Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,291 Swaye's Wigwam
    Yesterday I heard our OC Bush Hamdan talk about recruiting these veteran Auburn players when he was on Florida’s staff.

    There’s definitely a level of respect for Auburn’s talent.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,825
    This is going to be a 24-20 type of game where big plays, turnovers, etc will decide the game. Both of these are good teams.
  • AuburnFanAuburnFan Member Posts: 173
    Tequilla said:

    This is going to be a 24-20 type of game where big plays, turnovers, etc will decide the game. Both of these are good teams.

    I agree ... I'm just messin with all the 34-17 talk.

    I could even see 20-17 or 17-14 because of the Defenses. Everyone likes to talk about the QBs and the RBs ... but Week one .... The Defense usually has the advantage while the offense is trying to piece everything together. Last year when we played Clemson .... both teams' Offenses looked bad. Largely due to the Defenses being fantastic but you could see the rust.
  • WilburHooksHandsWilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,793
    AuburnFan said:

    Tequilla said:

    This is going to be a 24-20 type of game where big plays, turnovers, etc will decide the game. Both of these are good teams.

    I agree ... I'm just messin with all the 34-17 talk.

    I could even see 20-17 or 17-14 because of the Defenses. Everyone likes to talk about the QBs and the RBs ... but Week one .... The Defense usually has the advantage while the offense is trying to piece everything together. Last year when we played Clemson .... both teams' Offenses looked bad. Largely due to the Defenses being fantastic but you could see the rust.
    UW gets boat raced cook it.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,357 Founders Club

    AuburnFan said:

    Tequilla said:

    This is going to be a 24-20 type of game where big plays, turnovers, etc will decide the game. Both of these are good teams.

    I agree ... I'm just messin with all the 34-17 talk.

    I could even see 20-17 or 17-14 because of the Defenses. Everyone likes to talk about the QBs and the RBs ... but Week one .... The Defense usually has the advantage while the offense is trying to piece everything together. Last year when we played Clemson .... both teams' Offenses looked bad. Largely due to the Defenses being fantastic but you could see the rust.
    UW gets boat raced cook it.
    Smartest guy here, as always.
  • DawgWagonDanDawgWagonDan Member Posts: 789
    From Jood
    — For the second day in a row, senior LT Trey Adams got a few early reps with the No. 1 offense during team periods, and then gave way to junior Henry Roberts for the rest of the team reps.
  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,545 Founders Club

    From Jood
    — For the second day in a row, senior LT Trey Adams got a few early reps with the No. 1 offense during team periods, and then gave way to junior Henry Roberts for the rest of the team reps.

    I don't see this as a good sign. Roberts starting.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,825

    From Jood
    — For the second day in a row, senior LT Trey Adams got a few early reps with the No. 1 offense during team periods, and then gave way to junior Henry Roberts for the rest of the team reps.

    This is called monitoring Trey's workload to ensure that he's built up for the start of the season barring setbacks … nothing to see there.

    The bigger development is that Roberts is getting 1st team reps … my guess is that he's going to move inside in about 1-2 weeks once Trey ramps up a bit so that they can see if he's the right fit at RG.
  • DawgWagonDanDawgWagonDan Member Posts: 789
    edited August 2018
    I take it as a complete and total positive that Trey is getting team reps right now at all...We? still have 24 days to kick-off for him to get it in serviceable game shape. I don't ask for much lwad, but may gwad bless Trey's recovery and may the Huard-to-Davis holy-spirit (aka @SpiritHorse) enter his knee and make it 100% for warbeagle. Amen.
    Tequilla said:

    From Jood
    — For the second day in a row, senior LT Trey Adams got a few early reps with the No. 1 offense during team periods, and then gave way to junior Henry Roberts for the rest of the team reps.

    This is called monitoring Trey's workload to ensure that he's built up for the start of the season barring setbacks … nothing to see there.

    The bigger development is that Roberts is getting 1st team reps … my guess is that he's going to move inside in about 1-2 weeks once Trey ramps up a bit so that they can see if he's the right fit at RG.
  • AuburnFanAuburnFan Member Posts: 173
    Tequilla said:

    From Jood
    — For the second day in a row, senior LT Trey Adams got a few early reps with the No. 1 offense during team periods, and then gave way to junior Henry Roberts for the rest of the team reps.

    This is called monitoring Trey's workload to ensure that he's built up for the start of the season barring setbacks … nothing to see there.

    The bigger development is that Roberts is getting 1st team reps … my guess is that he's going to move inside in about 1-2 weeks once Trey ramps up a bit so that they can see if he's the right fit at RG.
    Man you'd fit right in with our message board with that sunshine pumping. I took that as, they're moving him along … but there's no way in hell that guy is 100% if he can't finish a practice/they won't let him finish a practice with 3 weeks before week 1. He may start … but I doubt he's 90%. Tough test to face for week 1 for him. But he could be better (and probably is) better at 80% than the next guy.

    We had two slot receivers tear their ACLs in March. They were running routes and cutting while running routes in practice Mon and Tues. But they won't be back until Mid season. They've got to start now, to catch up and be in game shape … but nowhere near ready.
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