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Examining the Over/Under 2018 Win Totals for the Pac-12

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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,691
    Mosster47 said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Let's talk about trajectory.


    Oregon owns us for a decade.

    Loses to us with herbert healthy.


    Oregon = done.

    UW lost to ASU with best QB ever, that would spell the end for them as well.
    Uw would lose to us with Tom Brady at qb. Can't really hold it against them. They are cursed.
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  • dawgs206
    dawgs206 Member Posts: 482
    edited July 2018
    Mosster47 said:

    ntxduck said:

    He's not overrated--he's the best coach in the conference by far. He just hasn't won any big games (albeit with limited opportunities).

    Tequilla said:

    Stanford was a Top 10 team going into the game. Perception wise it was a very good win.

    Winning a winner take all Apple Cup on the road matters.

    Winning P12 title matters.

    I get the point ... and not saying he has necessarily a marquee win yet (perhaps at SC leading to Sark’s bender) ... but saying he is overrated off a small sample size is FS

    Are we really just going to dismiss the guy with a way better resume? David Shaw is the best coach by far until someone even remotely comes close to catching him.
    If you're going to hate on Petersen for not winning the big out of conference game... Shaw hasn't done much better for a 7 year resume.

    2011 - Lost to Notre Dame in the regular season, Lost to OSU in the Fiesta
    2012 - Won the Rose against an 8-6 Wisconsin team
    2013 - Lost to MSU in the Rose
    2014 - Beat Maryland in the Foster Farms Bowl
    2015 - Beat ranked Notre Dame in regular season and 12-2 Iowa in the Rose (lost to the only good teams they played)
    2016 - Beat UNC in Sun Bowl
    2017 - Lost to TCU in Alamo Bowl

    Shaw's best non conference wins are Notre Dame a couple times, an 8-6 Wisconsin team, and Iowa... He's also had non conference losses to Northwestern and San Diego State. He gets credit for beating Oregon and USC while they were good, but that is a 7 year resume. Petersen didn't inherit Andrew Luck his first year and just hasn't had the opportunities for many marquee games.

    BAMA and Penn State were better than Iowa, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame too HTH.
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  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    RoadDawg55 said:

    ntxduck said:

    Mosster47 said:

    ntxduck said:

    Mosster47 said:

    ntxduck said:

    He's not overrated--he's the best coach in the conference by far. He just hasn't won any big games (albeit with limited opportunities).

    Tequilla said:

    Stanford was a Top 10 team going into the game. Perception wise it was a very good win.

    Winning a winner take all Apple Cup on the road matters.

    Winning P12 title matters.

    I get the point ... and not saying he has necessarily a marquee win yet (perhaps at SC leading to Sark’s bender) ... but saying he is overrated off a small sample size is FS

    Are we really just going to dismiss the guy with a way better resume? David Shaw is the best coach by far until someone even remotely comes close to catching him.
    Lol. Shaw is FS. Took over a 10 win program and let's it slowly slide a little more each year. Cool.
    WTactualF are you talking about? Five division titles, one last year over a super Doog Peterman squad and three conference titles in eight years and he is sliding?

    I fucking DREAM Mario can get Oregon sliding like that.
    I look at trajectory more than anything. It's how you could tell Helfrich was a shit coach early on, despite good results. Helf's first few seasons at Oregon were very comparable to Shaws. He just crashed the ferrari faster. The slide into 8-4, 7-5 annually is coming for Stanford.
    The Stanford slide has been predicted since Luck left and yet they play in the conference title game every other year.
    Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous we are talking about a guy that's about to step in front of a train in week one in year five over a guy that actually gets it done.

    Pete inherited a 9 win team with a bunch of NFL talent so let's not pretend he took over after Owen.
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  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    ntxduck said:

    Utah to win the p12 South at +450 is the bet to make. They get USC and Arizona (the only other 2 South teams worth a shit) at home so should have the h2h tiebreaker over both those

    USC and Arizona miss 2/3 of UW, Stanford, Oregon. Utah plays all three.
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    Tequilla said:

    Stanford was a Top 10 team going into the game. Perception wise it was a very good win.

    Winning a winner take all Apple Cup on the road matters.

    Winning P12 title matters.

    I get the point ... and not saying he has necessarily a marquee win yet (perhaps at SC leading to Sark’s bender) ... but saying he is overrated off a small sample size is FS

    “Winner take all”

    Haha

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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    Pitchfork51 said:

    Let's talk about trajectory.


    Oregon owns us for a decade.

    Loses to us with herbert healthy.


    Oregon = done.

    Was actually two decades.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    MikeSeaver said:

    Tequilla said:

    Stanford was a Top 10 team going into the game. Perception wise it was a very good win.

    Winning a winner take all Apple Cup on the road matters.

    Winning P12 title matters.

    I get the point ... and not saying he has necessarily a marquee win yet (perhaps at SC leading to Sark’s bender) ... but saying he is overrated off a small sample size is FS

    “Winner take all”

    Haha

    Win the Norf, nothing else matters!
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  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,268
    RoadDawg55 said:

    ntxduck said:

    Mosster47 said:

    ntxduck said:

    Mosster47 said:

    ntxduck said:

    He's not overrated--he's the best coach in the conference by far. He just hasn't won any big games (albeit with limited opportunities).

    Tequilla said:

    Stanford was a Top 10 team going into the game. Perception wise it was a very good win.

    Winning a winner take all Apple Cup on the road matters.

    Winning P12 title matters.

    I get the point ... and not saying he has necessarily a marquee win yet (perhaps at SC leading to Sark’s bender) ... but saying he is overrated off a small sample size is FS

    Are we really just going to dismiss the guy with a way better resume? David Shaw is the best coach by far until someone even remotely comes close to catching him.
    Lol. Shaw is FS. Took over a 10 win program and let's it slowly slide a little more each year. Cool.
    WTactualF are you talking about? Five division titles, one last year over a super Doog Peterman squad and three conference titles in eight years and he is sliding?

    I fucking DREAM Mario can get Oregon sliding like that.
    I look at trajectory more than anything. It's how you could tell Helfrich was a shit coach early on, despite good results. Helf's first few seasons at Oregon were very comparable to Shaws. He just crashed the ferrari faster. The slide into 8-4, 7-5 annually is coming for Stanford.
    The Stanford slide has been predicted since Luck left and yet they play in the conference title game every other year.
    Speaks volumes more about the P12 North since Chip left than anything Shaw has done...
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,842 Swaye's Wigwam
    Mosster47 said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    ntxduck said:

    Mosster47 said:

    ntxduck said:

    Mosster47 said:

    ntxduck said:

    He's not overrated--he's the best coach in the conference by far. He just hasn't won any big games (albeit with limited opportunities).

    Tequilla said:

    Stanford was a Top 10 team going into the game. Perception wise it was a very good win.

    Winning a winner take all Apple Cup on the road matters.

    Winning P12 title matters.

    I get the point ... and not saying he has necessarily a marquee win yet (perhaps at SC leading to Sark’s bender) ... but saying he is overrated off a small sample size is FS

    Are we really just going to dismiss the guy with a way better resume? David Shaw is the best coach by far until someone even remotely comes close to catching him.
    Lol. Shaw is FS. Took over a 10 win program and let's it slowly slide a little more each year. Cool.
    WTactualF are you talking about? Five division titles, one last year over a super Doog Peterman squad and three conference titles in eight years and he is sliding?

    I fucking DREAM Mario can get Oregon sliding like that.
    I look at trajectory more than anything. It's how you could tell Helfrich was a shit coach early on, despite good results. Helf's first few seasons at Oregon were very comparable to Shaws. He just crashed the ferrari faster. The slide into 8-4, 7-5 annually is coming for Stanford.
    The Stanford slide has been predicted since Luck left and yet they play in the conference title game every other year.
    Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous we are talking about a guy that's about to step in front of a train in week one in year five over a guy that actually gets it done.

    Pete inherited a 9 win team with a bunch of NFL talent so let's not pretend he took over after Owen.
    Youre not thus dumb so I should just accept your trolling for what it is, but...Did you see what UW had to trot out in terms of personnel in 2014? He inherited a team with a few great players surrounded by shit. Did you see the QB depth chart? How about the defensive backfield? We had Peters and a bunch of guys who couldn't have started for Eastern until SMFJ came around late in the season. The offensive line was offensive.

    It wasn't owen, but it was ugly. Typical Sark roster with completely neglected position groups and a handful of good recruiting gets.
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