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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    topdawgnc said:

    Obama lost 100's of seats because hate motivates at the polls.

    It is the same reason Trump will lose both houses.

    A lot of people:

    1) hate that a black man was in office

    2) believed he was a Muslim born in Kenya.

    There's a lot of stupid voters.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Exactly

    Raise taxes take guns and eliminate free will is the winning platform

    Do it please
    “Eliminating free will” is making rich people pay more in taxes and making it harder for crazy people to buy AR-15s. Stellar stuff.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    topdawgnc said:

    Obama lost 100's of seats because hate motivates at the polls.

    It is the same reason Trump will lose both houses.

    For midterms it’s a combination of hatred from the other political party and not doing enough to motivate your own base. That’s why the Dems got destroyed in 2010 and 2014.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,209
    2001400ex said:

    topdawgnc said:

    Obama lost 100's of seats because hate motivates at the polls.

    It is the same reason Trump will lose both houses.

    A lot of people:

    1) hate that a black man was in office

    2) believed he was a Muslim born in Kenya.

    There's a lot of stupid voters.
    While this is absolutely true, it isn't the reason the Dems. lost the Presidency.
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Bullshit. That was garbage political anal isis.

    You are saying that Obama and Hillary weren't liberal enuff. Kriminy.

    Wrong.

    They were too fucking liberal. Obama forced the issue with healthcare, which was bound to be controversial and alienating and full of problems.

    And the left was too focused on bathrooms, gay rights and other fringy social issues that don't speak to the mind of the working class Democrat, and not enuff time on jobs, evil corporatations not paying their faire share of taxes and moving jobs oversees, the military, God and American interests in general. Watch the Campaign sometime. There are some good lessons in that movie. You literally have to say "Support Our Troops" every five minutes to court the average American dipshit vote. Hillary chose instead to insult them with "deplorables" and talk over their heads. Plus, she's just not fucking relatable ... at. all.

    You make it sound like not enough people in SoHo came out to cast their Dem vote. Bullshit. The problem was that the blue collar guy in the Ohio River Valley who comes from a long line of Democratic populists came out and voted, but switched parties because of the monumentally bad campaign the Dems ran. It's that simple.

    You had better hope that they drop the guns bit before the next election. Guns will be the next bathroom issue to bury the Dems.

    When will the lesson be learned? There are legions of fucking life-long democrats who didn't attend elite colleges, who don't come from money and who don't live in Manhattan or San Francisco. THOSE are the people the D party need to get back on board.

    They won't.

    Obama’s health care reform wasn’t actually liberal. It was market based means testing with some medicaid expansion and it sucked.

    The college educated elite Dems in SF and NY are “liberal” in a cultural sense but are basically 1970’s Republicans when it comes to economics.

    The blue collar people are who the left wing of the democratic party are targeting with universal social welfare programs and progressive labor law. Bernie is a new deal Democrat.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,209

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Oh my God.

    This is exactly what I'm talking about.

    They are gonna do it too.



    They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.


    Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
    Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.

    She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".

  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Bullshit. That was garbage political anal isis.

    You are saying that Obama and Hillary weren't liberal enuff. Kriminy.

    Wrong.

    They were too fucking liberal. Obama forced the issue with healthcare, which was bound to be controversial and alienating and full of problems.

    And the left was too focused on bathrooms, gay rights and other fringy social issues that don't speak to the mind of the working class Democrat, and not enuff time on jobs, evil corporatations not paying their faire share of taxes and moving jobs oversees, the military, God and American interests in general. Watch the Campaign sometime. There are some good lessons in that movie. You literally have to say "Support Our Troops" every five minutes to court the average American dipshit vote. Hillary chose instead to insult them with "deplorables" and talk over their heads. Plus, she's just not fucking relatable ... at. all.

    You make it sound like not enough people in SoHo came out to cast their Dem vote. Bullshit. The problem was that the blue collar guy in the Ohio River Valley who comes from a long line of Democratic populists came out and voted, but switched parties because of the monumentally bad campaign the Dems ran. It's that simple.

    You had better hope that they drop the guns bit before the next election. Guns will be the next bathroom issue to bury the Dems.

    When will the lesson be learned? There are legions of fucking life-long democrats who didn't attend elite colleges, who don't come from money and who don't live in Manhattan or San Francisco. THOSE are the people the D party need to get back on board.

    They won't.

    Creep gets it
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Oh my God.

    This is exactly what I'm talking about.

    They are gonna do it too.



    They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.


    Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
    Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.

    She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".

    What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,402 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Bullshit. That was garbage political anal isis.

    You are saying that Obama and Hillary weren't liberal enuff. Kriminy.

    Wrong.

    They were too fucking liberal. Obama forced the issue with healthcare, which was bound to be controversial and alienating and full of problems.

    And the left was too focused on bathrooms, gay rights and other fringy social issues that don't speak to the mind of the working class Democrat, and not enuff time on jobs, evil corporatations not paying their faire share of taxes and moving jobs oversees, the military, God and American interests in general. Watch the Campaign sometime. There are some good lessons in that movie. You literally have to say "Support Our Troops" every five minutes to court the average American dipshit vote. Hillary chose instead to insult them with "deplorables" and talk over their heads. Plus, she's just not fucking relatable ... at. all.

    You make it sound like not enough people in SoHo came out to cast their Dem vote. Bullshit. The problem was that the blue collar guy in the Ohio River Valley who comes from a long line of Democratic populists came out and voted, but switched parties because of the monumentally bad campaign the Dems ran. It's that simple.

    You had better hope that they drop the guns bit before the next election. Guns will be the next bathroom issue to bury the Dems.

    When will the lesson be learned? There are legions of fucking life-long democrats who didn't attend elite colleges, who don't come from money and who don't live in Manhattan or San Francisco. THOSE are the people the D party need to get back on board.

    They won't.

    Reagan Democrats gonna Reagan Democrat.

    Tuff logging camp liberal in 2020!!! Now more than ever!!


  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,927 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Bullshit. That was garbage political anal isis.

    You are saying that Obama and Hillary weren't liberal enuff. Kriminy.

    Wrong.

    They were too fucking liberal. Obama forced the issue with healthcare, which was bound to be controversial and alienating and full of problems.

    And the left was too focused on bathrooms, gay rights and other fringy social issues that don't speak to the mind of the working class Democrat, and not enuff time on jobs, evil corporatations not paying their faire share of taxes and moving jobs oversees, the military, God and American interests in general. Watch the Campaign sometime. There are some good lessons in that movie. You literally have to say "Support Our Troops" every five minutes to court the average American dipshit vote. Hillary chose instead to insult them with "deplorables" and talk over their heads. Plus, she's just not fucking relatable ... at. all.

    You make it sound like not enough people in SoHo came out to cast their Dem vote. Bullshit. The problem was that the blue collar guy in the Ohio River Valley who comes from a long line of Democratic populists came out and voted, but switched parties because of the monumentally bad campaign the Dems ran. It's that simple.

    You had better hope that they drop the guns bit before the next election. Guns will be the next bathroom issue to bury the Dems.

    When will the lesson be learned? There are legions of fucking life-long democrats who didn't attend elite colleges, who don't come from money and who don't live in Manhattan or San Francisco. THOSE are the people the D party need to get back on board.

    They won't.

    This.

    The Democrats forgot they were supposed to be for the working class stiff. Their vote said "fuck me? No, fuck you."

    This is one of the rare times I completely agree with Michael Moore. He had a great rant on this point.

  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    Any 55ish year old white male that is articulate will win in a landslide just like they would have in the last election.

    It's like the Dems are losing right now on purpose while the Boomers are still barely hanging on to completely take over in 10 years, which is going to happen regardless.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,153 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2018
    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    I don't think Romney will switch parties.

    They'll roll out Pocahontas and Inslee.

    Dumb and dumber.



  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Swaye said:

    I can't see any way he doesn't.

    I mean aside from the totally obvious democrat move which is run a decent moderate candidate.
    Which there is about 0 chance of them doing.



    All the Dems have to do is run a moderate, just as you suggest. They will trot out Pocahontas or some other socialist and get drubbed. LRR
    This is garbage poltical analysis.

    Hillary lost because the progressive base didn’t turn out for her.

    The Dems lost hundreds of seats during the Obama years because he did shitty Republican health care reform and expanded our forever wars in the Middle East.

    Hillary was the center-left establishment moderate who pandered to “moderate” Republican voters instead of the liberal base, and it failed spectacularly.

    A democrat from the left-wing of the party would have trounced Trump.
    Oh my God.

    This is exactly what I'm talking about.

    They are gonna do it too.



    They still don't fucking get it. It's insane.


    Hillary losing and trump winning had fucking zero to do with her platform or policies.
    Sort of. It had to do w/ policies in that Hillary ran a campaign on policies that ranged from marginally important to retarded.

    She thought she could get elected with the Berkeley vote. And she almost did, until yet another bit of info "leaked" questioning her integrity. That was one thing Obama didn't have to carry ... nobody really believes the birthers - even Bannon calls that crowd "fringe".

    What the hell are you talking about? Hillary spent the entire campaign trying to reach out to moderate Republicans instead of making concessions the progressive base.
    Ok man. I guess the rest of us missed it. Remember, it's not just the candidate ... it's what the candidate's party is doing.

    If you don't remember bathrooms, deplorables, e-mail servers, gay marriage! and Obamacare, then I just can't help you.

    Oh, I'm well aware that Hillary isn't nearly as liberal in real life as she pretends to be, but her public face is all about that other shit. Yeah, she was centrist relative to Bernie, who actually lets people call him a socialist w/o fighting back. Compared to him, I see your point.

    You have a lot of work to do before you convince me that she lost because not enuff bleeding hearts turned out to vote. We all know that was reported, and likely played a part, but I'm pretty suspect about placing too much emphasis on precise statistics concerning things that "didn't happen." Know what I mean?

    The Hillary and the entire party blew it. Just admit it and move on.
    Of course she and the party blew it. They sill believed in the failed “third way” centrism and they projected elitism. That’s what I’ve been saying. That is the reason the democratic party is loathed from the left and why they didn’t turn out in 2016.

    You have the right premise that the establishment Dems and the party machine are discredited failures. Your problem is that you can’t see that that was the argument of the progressive base who wanted to move the party away from neoliberalism and back towards working class populism. That’s the liberalism I’m talking about. Material concerns. Not the stupid bathroom shit.
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