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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    That Bulls team was mediocre but it was better than the Cavs
    Yep because MJ >>> LBJ
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    The whole league started to suck at that point. Not many talk about this, but it did. The Finals games against the Jazz were dreck. Jordan being clutch is the only thing that saved them. Utah actually only scored 54 points in an entire game.
    I wonder why that happened???
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    That Bulls team was mediocre but it was better than the Cavs
    Yep because MJ >>> LBJ
    I'm saying Bulls minus MJ > Cavs minus Bron
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,485 Founders Club
    Its funny that Indiana is always "almost" beating the eventual champs in the East going back a long long time.


    They were the best ABA franchise with three titles
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    That Bulls team was mediocre but it was better than the Cavs
    Yep because MJ >>> LBJ
    I'm saying Bulls minus MJ > Cavs minus Bron
    Highly disagree
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    That Bulls team was mediocre but it was better than the Cavs
    Yep because MJ >>> LBJ
    I'm saying Bulls minus MJ > Cavs minus Bron
    Highly disagree
    Highly disagree with you're disagree.

    Phil over Lue is almost enough in and of itself.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    That Bulls team was mediocre but it was better than the Cavs
    Yep because MJ >>> LBJ
    I'm saying Bulls minus MJ > Cavs minus Bron
    Highly disagree
    Highly disagree with you're disagree.

    Phil over Lue is almost enough in and of itself.
    The last part I 100% agree with
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    What a performance. 29-9-8 against the Indiana Pacers? That's a very average game for LeBron.
    It was in an age that allowed hand checking and knock your ass flat fouls at the rim without too many consequences. There was about half the 3 pt shots being launched as well. If both teams scored over a hundred points in a playoff game, it was an event.

    As opposed to nowadays where you can’t hardly be touched going to the rim without a foul called and if there’s anything resembling hard contact, it’s a flagrant or sometimes ejection. You can’t fairly compare fg effectiveness between the eras. You had to be much stronger with the ball back then and be willing to get the crap knocked out of you if driving to the rack contested.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    salemcoog said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    What a performance. 29-9-8 against the Indiana Pacers? That's a very average game for LeBron.
    It was in an age that allowed hand checking and knock your ass flat fouls at the rim without too many consequences. There was about half the 3 pt shots being launched as well. If both teams scored over a hundred points in a playoff game, it was an event.

    As opposed to nowadays where you can’t hardly be touched going to the rim without a foul called and if there’s anything resembling hard contact, it’s a flagrant or sometimes ejection. You can’t fairly compare fg effectiveness between the eras. You had to be much stronger with the ball back then and be willing to get the crap knocked out of you if driving to the rack contested.
    Jordan lived at the foul line. Didn't Phoenix shoot like 60 FT's against the Sonics in 93?
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