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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,725 Standard Supporter
    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    haie said:

    Jordan if he came out in 2018 === Westbrook on some other team bowing out in the 1st/2nd round.

    He was the best player on a truly great team. People forget that.

    The Warriors are a truly great team. The Bulls without Jordan were very good, but not great. He definitely had a lot of help but he's the reason those teams were "truly great".
    Pippen was legitimately the 2nd best wing after Jordan. He was a great defender and a great secondary playmaker. There wasn't any swing man better than him after Jordan. He didn't win the MVP when Jordan first retired, but he was an All NBA guy.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    haie said:

    Jordan if he came out in 2018 === Westbrook on some other team bowing out in the 1st/2nd round.

    He was the best player on a truly great team. People forget that.

    The Warriors are a truly great team. The Bulls without Jordan were very good, but not great. He definitely had a lot of help but he's the reason those teams were "truly great".
    Pippen was legitimately the 2nd best wing after Jordan. He was a great defender and a great secondary playmaker. There wasn't any swing man better than him after Jordan. He didn't win the MVP when Jordan first retired, but he was an All NBA guy.
    I would have taken Penny over him until Penny got hurt, but yeah Pippen was damn good.

    There wasn't really much else about that team that was special though (until they added Rodman).

    And Phil is overfuckingrated.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    haie said:

    Jordan if he came out in 2018 === Westbrook on some other team bowing out in the 1st/2nd round.

    He was the best player on a truly great team. People forget that.

    The Warriors are a truly great team. The Bulls without Jordan were very good, but not great. He definitely had a lot of help but he's the reason those teams were "truly great".
    Pippen was legitimately the 2nd best wing after Jordan. He was a great defender and a great secondary playmaker. There wasn't any swing man better than him after Jordan. He didn't win the MVP when Jordan first retired, but he was an All NBA guy.
    I would have taken Penny over him until Penny got hurt, but yeah Pippen was damn good.

    There wasn't really much else about that team that was special though (until they added Rodman).

    And Phil is overfuckingrated.
    Agree about Phil. Can't argue the winning tho. He gets acknowledgement for his titles.

    Penny over Pippen? Penny was more exciting but he had Shaq. He never won 57 with Tony Kukoc and Horace Grant as the next two best players.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    Thank you for the laughs ... some of you are the definition of fucktarded

    Win ... nothing else matters ... unless we are talking about LBJ ... then all is forgiven and he’s the GOAT

    The whole LBJ is a better defender than MJ line ... some of you need need to forget about the lube and just straight go raw dog with LBJ’s dick in your asses
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    Tequilla said:

    Thank you for the laughs ... some of you are the definition of fucktarded

    Win ... nothing else matters ... unless we are talking about LBJ ... then all is forgiven and he’s the GOAT

    The whole LBJ is a better defender than MJ line ... some of you need need to forget about the lube and just straight go raw dog with LBJ’s dick in your asses

    Dude, LeBron could shut down players MJ couldn't check, that's just a fact.

    I think MJ had more consistent defense throughout his career, but peak LeBron d > peak MJ d
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  • HorrifyinglyAlluring
    HorrifyinglyAlluring Member Posts: 102
    Why do I have to remind people that during the 8 Finals streak, LeBron has 3 rings and 3 MVPs, has beaten a 73-9 Warriors team during their 4 straight run, and beaten KD while he was with OKC?

    The media are a bunch of liars. They have created this false narrative about LeBron and MJ concerning the GOAT label, when that is a conversation that is years away since LeBron could play another 4-5 years. Also, a player’s finals record is only part of their resume, not THE resume.

    LeBron lost a great chance in ‘15 when Kyrie and Love were lost. After he won it in ‘16, the Warriors ran and got the best scorer in the league in KD and they crushed him. Then he drags this rag tag roster that was put together mid-season and he lost Kyrie because he wanted to leave. Yet, the critics would have you believe that LeBron looks bad at 3-6 in the Finals.

    I can only imagine what the narrative would be if he had lost that game 7 to the Celts without Kyrie and Heyward, especially after that poster dunk and staredown by Tatum. He would have been crucified. People keep talking about what MJ would have done in Lebron’s shoes when we already know that he went 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen got there.

    One last thing, MJ was talked about being the GOAT after the 1st 3-peat, not when he got his 6th ring. I was an adult at the time, so I remember since I was a Bulls fan and loved MJ. When you are a special type of player, the ring count isn’t that big of a deal as long as you have at least won it multiple times, which LeBron has with 2 different franchises.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Thank you for the laughs ... some of you are the definition of fucktarded

    Win ... nothing else matters ... unless we are talking about LBJ ... then all is forgiven and he’s the GOAT

    The whole LBJ is a better defender than MJ line ... some of you need need to forget about the lube and just straight go raw dog with LBJ’s dick in your asses

    Dude, LeBron could shut down players MJ couldn't check, that's just a fact.

    I think MJ had more consistent defense throughout his career, but peak LeBron d > peak MJ d
    Forget the lube and let LeBron raw dawg you.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,725 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
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