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Truth. Wichita State is the closest I can find. They won the NIT, made the NCAA first round the next year and made the final four the year after that with three starters from the NIT title team. Everyone else kinda sucks.RoadDawg55 said:
Next year has nothing to do with whether UW makes the tourney or NIT. There are no great track records of NIT success being a precursor to winning in the future.UW_Doog_Bot said:While I realize that we would all prefer getting into the tournament would an NIT appearance mean more post-season experience at this point? Looking at this from a developmental standpoint for a young team, will it be better to make a deep NIT run than a one and done NCAA appearance?
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But that's not because they won the NIT. It's because they had a really good coach that kept them improving. We'll see if Hop is that guy as well.theknowledge said:
Truth. Wichita State is the closest I can find. They won the NIT, made the NCAA first round the next year and made the final four the year after that with three starters from the NIT title team. Everyone else kinda sucks.RoadDawg55 said:
Next year has nothing to do with whether UW makes the tourney or NIT. There are no great track records of NIT success being a precursor to winning in the future.UW_Doog_Bot said:While I realize that we would all prefer getting into the tournament would an NIT appearance mean more post-season experience at this point? Looking at this from a developmental standpoint for a young team, will it be better to make a deep NIT run than a one and done NCAA appearance?
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UVA beat Louisville, there’s a chancentxduck said:
And a few non-bubble teams will steal bids by winning their conference tourneys (MWC, A10, CUSA).Petersen3098 said:
UW actually has a good chance of getting in by getting to the final, I'm pretty sure a couple of bubble teams will lose games.ntxduck said:
Cool. Palm and Lunardi don't know shit at this point. They always adjust on the final weekend based on what they're hearing from their people on the committee, which is how they end up so "accurate".Petersen3098 said:
Utah is still a bubble team in palm’s bracketntxduck said:
Utah also not a bubble team anymore. They need to win it to get in as well. UCLA winning at sc really screwed Utah and UW, not just because it put them into the field, but it moved Utah and uw over to the non-Zona (the only potential win that anyone on the committee would gaf about) side of the bracket.Petersen3098 said:
If they get to the final that means they'll beat OSU, USC and Utah. Utah is a bubble team also so it'll help their resume.greenblood said:
Wins over OSU and USC won’t be enough. Washington would be better off as an 8 seed. Beating Arizona in the second rd was the only thing going to bump up their resume. They have to win it all or they’ll be a top seed in the NIT.Petersen3098 said:
UW has a pretty good chance of getting in if they get to the finalntxduck said:
Lunardi hasn’t updated since UW lost to Oregon. UW has no at large shot, especially with being on the opposite side of the bracket from zona. P12 will get 3: zona, UCLA, usc...and whoever wins the conf tourney (if it’s not one of those 3).Fire_Marshall_Bill said:We were definitely punching above our weight through January. Credit goes to Hopkins and the team for that.
Lunardi has us as the last four out. So win two and there's probably a 60-80% chance we're in. If we can make it to the final, it should be a lock. There are no locks after 2012 though.
Utah isn't getting in unless they win the pac12. Neither is Washington. It's math at this point, unless you think that the P12 is going to be a 5 bid league, in which case, you dumb.
Here's how it is today;
32 Automatic Bids
36 At Large Spots
44 teams that are safely in, based on current projections;
8--ACC (UVA, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Miami, VT, NC State, FSU)
7--Big 12 (Kansas, TTech, WVA, TCU, OU, Kstate, Texas). Don't agree with Texas as safel in but Vegas has them as -300 right now, so...
6--Big East (Nova, Xavier, Butler, Creighton, Seton Hall, Providence)
4--Big Ten (Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue)
3--Pac 12 (Arizona, USC, UCLA)
7--SEC (Auburn, TN, Ark, UK, UF, AtM, Mizzou)
3--American (Cincy, Wichita, Houston)
2--WCC (Gonzaga, St Marys)
2--A10 (Rhode Island, St Bonaventure)
1--CUSA (MTSU)
1--MWC (Nevada)
Now, assuming (which is a big assumption) that all of the above conference tourneys are won by teams listed here, that leaves 3 (44 minus the 11 conferences above=33, and there are 36 at larges total) bids for the following teams;
Louisville, Cuse, ND, Baylor, Marquette, Nebraska, Penn State, Utah, ASU, UW, Alabama.
UW is definitely towards the bottom of that list. They'd have to hope most of the teams in front of them lose in the 1st round of their conference tourney, while also hoping that Nevada, MTSU, and RIU/ST Bon are all able to win their conference tourneys so the bubble doesn't shrink to 2 teams, 1 team, or even 0.
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Petersen3098 said:
UVA beat Louisville, there’s a chancentxduck said:
And a few non-bubble teams will steal bids by winning their conference tourneys (MWC, A10, CUSA).Petersen3098 said:
UW actually has a good chance of getting in by getting to the final, I'm pretty sure a couple of bubble teams will lose games.ntxduck said:
Cool. Palm and Lunardi don't know shit at this point. They always adjust on the final weekend based on what they're hearing from their people on the committee, which is how they end up so "accurate".Petersen3098 said:
Utah is still a bubble team in palm’s bracketntxduck said:
Utah also not a bubble team anymore. They need to win it to get in as well. UCLA winning at sc really screwed Utah and UW, not just because it put them into the field, but it moved Utah and uw over to the non-Zona (the only potential win that anyone on the committee would gaf about) side of the bracket.Petersen3098 said:
If they get to the final that means they'll beat OSU, USC and Utah. Utah is a bubble team also so it'll help their resume.greenblood said:
Wins over OSU and USC won’t be enough. Washington would be better off as an 8 seed. Beating Arizona in the second rd was the only thing going to bump up their resume. They have to win it all or they’ll be a top seed in the NIT.Petersen3098 said:
UW has a pretty good chance of getting in if they get to the finalntxduck said:
Lunardi hasn’t updated since UW lost to Oregon. UW has no at large shot, especially with being on the opposite side of the bracket from zona. P12 will get 3: zona, UCLA, usc...and whoever wins the conf tourney (if it’s not one of those 3).Fire_Marshall_Bill said:We were definitely punching above our weight through January. Credit goes to Hopkins and the team for that.
Lunardi has us as the last four out. So win two and there's probably a 60-80% chance we're in. If we can make it to the final, it should be a lock. There are no locks after 2012 though.
Utah isn't getting in unless they win the pac12. Neither is Washington. It's math at this point, unless you think that the P12 is going to be a 5 bid league, in which case, you dumb.
Here's how it is today;
32 Automatic Bids
36 At Large Spots
44 teams that are safely in, based on current projections;
8--ACC (UVA, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Miami, VT, NC State, FSU)
7--Big 12 (Kansas, TTech, WVA, TCU, OU, Kstate, Texas). Don't agree with Texas as safel in but Vegas has them as -300 right now, so...
6--Big East (Nova, Xavier, Butler, Creighton, Seton Hall, Providence)
4--Big Ten (Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue)
3--Pac 12 (Arizona, USC, UCLA)
7--SEC (Auburn, TN, Ark, UK, UF, AtM, Mizzou)
3--American (Cincy, Wichita, Houston)
2--WCC (Gonzaga, St Marys)
2--A10 (Rhode Island, St Bonaventure)
1--CUSA (MTSU)
1--MWC (Nevada)
Now, assuming (which is a big assumption) that all of the above conference tourneys are won by teams listed here, that leaves 3 (44 minus the 11 conferences above=33, and there are 36 at larges total) bids for the following teams;
Louisville, Cuse, ND, Baylor, Marquette, Nebraska, Penn State, Utah, ASU, UW, Alabama.
UW is definitely towards the bottom of that list. They'd have to hope most of the teams in front of them lose in the 1st round of their conference tourney, while also hoping that Nevada, MTSU, and RIU/ST Bon are all able to win their conference tourneys so the bubble doesn't shrink to 2 teams, 1 team, or even 0.
It's not going to happen.
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DISAGREE.greenblood said:
I don't see much a difference playing 37 games instead of 34.UW_Doog_Bot said:
To be clear, any appearance in the NCAA is a greater accomplishment than whatever you do in the NIT. I was simply thinking of the fact that we could get more post-season games for the team's development. Still going to go punch myself in the groin.greenblood said:
If you lose in the "first round" cough...cough...glorified play in game, then you might have a point that a deep NIT run is equal. But losing by 40 even in the "second round" of the NCAA tournament is better than a final four NIT run.UW_Doog_Bot said:While I realize that we would all prefer getting into the tournament would an NIT appearance mean more post-season experience at this point? Looking at this from a developmental standpoint for a young team, will it be better to make a deep NIT run than a one and done NCAA appearance?
Doog poast, doog poaster
I'm sorry if people get offended, but the NCAA tournament doesn't start until "round two". You can't say you made the tournament unless you win the play in or get a "bye".
I think the experience on a big stage (NCAA Tournament) against a quality opponent even only for one game, is much better for a young teams development, then three games in a half full stadium against the Stanford's of the world.
At least if they are good next year, they would have NCAA tournament experience. An NIT birth does nothing to help them face NCAA tournament pressure next year.
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BumpPitchfork51 said:I'm sure ASU can figure out how to lose to colorado and play their way out of the tournament.
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What the fuck you jackasshaie said:Get destroyed by Oregon who is now certain they’re the best team in the conference.
Beat the little beavlets by 2-5 at home. Special.
Upset in the first game of the conf tourney.
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No chance
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I'm just glad we could all share such a speshul season together.
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USC made it to the Pac12 final and was left out...but I'm sure UW would have been in if they'd done the same...
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Alabama, UCLA, Cuse, Missouri, and Oklahoma. El Oh El.
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wait, ASU still got in?
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Missouri, ASU, Texas, and Texas A&M b ahgahahahahahjahaha.
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An Ivy league team a 16 seed?? bahahaha. UNC a 2 seed over MSU (3 seed) who should be a one seed. Who the fuck are these bafoons selecting these teams and seeding.
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WE MADE THE TOURNAMENT!!!#!#
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Seeded behind Utah, Oregon, and Stanford is telling...ntxduck said:USC made it to the Pac12 final and was left out...but I'm sure UW would have been in if they'd done the same...
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Arizona State getting in is mind boggling.
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Over Notre Dame?CuntWaffle said:Arizona State getting in is mind boggling.
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Not the same committee as the NCAA, so not really.greenblood said:
Seeded behind Utah, Oregon, and Stanford is telling...ntxduck said:USC made it to the Pac12 final and was left out...but I'm sure UW would have been in if they'd done the same...
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CuntWaffle said:
Arizona State getting in is criminal
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Cry a bit more you cunts
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I don't care that they are in but it makes 0 sense.
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Arizona State was undefeated in non-conference play with wins over Big East regular season champion, Xavier, at a neutral site; the Big 12 Champion, Kansas, in Lawrence; Big 12 #4 Kansas State, at a neutral site; and Mountain West Champion, San Diego State. The Devils also played the Big East's St. John's at a neutral site and the SEC's Vanderbilt.CuntWaffle said:Arizona State getting in is mind boggling.
USC on the other hand went 9-4, losing by 16 on their home court to seven-seed Texas A&M; losing a road game to SMU by 17, which finished ninth in the American Athletic Conference; and dropping games in Los Angeles to 10-seed Oklahoma and 12-16 Princeton by 10. The Trojans' best wins all season were by five at a neutral site against Middle Tennessee State, a 3-seed in the NIT, and by five at a neutral site against WAC Champion, New Mexico State.
USC's path to the Pac-12 Tournament Championship went through the Oregon schools, which the Trojans went a perfect 6-0 against on the season. If Arizona State gets the opportunity to play a Tinkle-less Oregon State and a tired Oregon, the Devils play in the championship, as well.
Breaking down Arizona State and USC's Pac-12 resume:
Neither team beat #1 Arizona.
Arizona State beat #2 USC.
USC swept #3 Utah. Arizona State split.
Arizona State beat #4 UCLA. USC got swept.
Against the top four teams in the Pac-12, Arizona State went 3-3. Against the top four teams in the Pac-12 (and Arizona State), USC went 2-4. The Trojans cleaned up against the dregs of the Pac-12, but the Devils played much better in non-conference to pretty much offset that.
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Syracuse will beat them so none of this matters. ASU is awful. And so is the PAC-12.
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beat cuse nothing else mattersTheHB said:Syracuse will beat them so none of this matters. ASU is awful. And so is the PAC-12.
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This is actually...spot on. I was very anti-ASU but this laid it out well.BennyBeaver said:
Arizona State was undefeated in non-conference play with wins over Big East regular season champion, Xavier, at a neutral site; the Big 12 Champion, Kansas, in Lawrence; Big 12 #4 Kansas State, at a neutral site; and Mountain West Champion, San Diego State. The Devils also played the Big East's St. John's at a neutral site and the SEC's Vanderbilt.CuntWaffle said:Arizona State getting in is mind boggling.
USC on the other hand went 9-4, losing by 16 on their home court to seven-seed Texas A&M; losing a road game to SMU by 17, which finished ninth in the American Athletic Conference; and dropping games in Los Angeles to 10-seed Oklahoma and 12-16 Princeton by 10. The Trojans' best wins all season were by five at a neutral site against Middle Tennessee State, a 3-seed in the NIT, and by five at a neutral site against WAC Champion, New Mexico State.
USC's path to the Pac-12 Tournament Championship went through the Oregon schools, which the Trojans went a perfect 6-0 against on the season. If Arizona State gets the opportunity to play a Tinkle-less Oregon State and a tired Oregon, the Devils play in the championship, as well.
Breaking down Arizona State and USC's Pac-12 resume:
Neither team beat #1 Arizona.
Arizona State beat #2 USC.
USC swept #3 Utah. Arizona State split.
Arizona State beat #4 UCLA. USC got swept.
Against the top four teams in the Pac-12, Arizona State went 3-3. Against the top four teams in the Pac-12 (and Arizona State), USC went 2-4. The Trojans cleaned up against the dregs of the Pac-12, but the Devils played much better in non-conference to pretty much offset that.
Plus, you have the suitcase full of money argument. USC is under investigation by the Federal Government. Arizona State is not.
And yes, I think the committee had the edict from Emmert to basically boot any team on the bubble (Louisville, USC, Ok State) in the FBI scandal. Interesting to see if Arizona gets screwed by the refs in the Sweet 16/Elite 8 to prevent them from going to San Antonio. -
Solid argument for ASU over USC. However, I think the one team that "really" got screwed was Notre Dame. I think the Irish were better than both of them.BennyBeaver said:
Arizona State was undefeated in non-conference play with wins over Big East regular season champion, Xavier, at a neutral site; the Big 12 Champion, Kansas, in Lawrence; Big 12 #4 Kansas State, at a neutral site; and Mountain West Champion, San Diego State. The Devils also played the Big East's St. John's at a neutral site and the SEC's Vanderbilt.CuntWaffle said:Arizona State getting in is mind boggling.
USC on the other hand went 9-4, losing by 16 on their home court to seven-seed Texas A&M; losing a road game to SMU by 17, which finished ninth in the American Athletic Conference; and dropping games in Los Angeles to 10-seed Oklahoma and 12-16 Princeton by 10. The Trojans' best wins all season were by five at a neutral site against Middle Tennessee State, a 3-seed in the NIT, and by five at a neutral site against WAC Champion, New Mexico State.
USC's path to the Pac-12 Tournament Championship went through the Oregon schools, which the Trojans went a perfect 6-0 against on the season. If Arizona State gets the opportunity to play a Tinkle-less Oregon State and a tired Oregon, the Devils play in the championship, as well.
Breaking down Arizona State and USC's Pac-12 resume:
Neither team beat #1 Arizona.
Arizona State beat #2 USC.
USC swept #3 Utah. Arizona State split.
Arizona State beat #4 UCLA. USC got swept.
Against the top four teams in the Pac-12, Arizona State went 3-3. Against the top four teams in the Pac-12 (and Arizona State), USC went 2-4. The Trojans cleaned up against the dregs of the Pac-12, but the Devils played much better in non-conference to pretty much offset that.
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NO solid argument for ASU. If they were giving berths based on the PreSeason, then sure, give them the Preseason berth. However there is no such thing. They went 8 and fucking 11 in the 10th best conference in America and proved they didn't belong by losing in the 1st round.
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Hey dipshitsalemcoog said:NO solid argument for ASU. If they were giving berths based on the PreSeason, then sure, give them the Preseason berth. However there is no such thing. They went 8 and fucking 11 in the 10th best conference in America and proved they didn't belong by losing in the 1st round.
They went 20-12 overall with some really good wins. Which is all that matters.
Conference doesnt matter.
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They suck.Pitchfork51 said:
Hey dipshitsalemcoog said:NO solid argument for ASU. If they were giving berths based on the PreSeason, then sure, give them the Preseason berth. However there is no such thing. They went 8 and fucking 11 in the 10th best conference in America and proved they didn't belong by losing in the 1st round.
They went 20-12 overall with some really good wins. Which is all that matters.
Conference doesnt matter.
And last time I checked Cuse aint all that bad
Not as hard as your take though.
It will be special to see their First Four banner hung in Taco Johns arena next November though.
