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  • dncdnc Posts: 36,688
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    2001400ex said:

    The solution seems pretty simple to me.

    Metal detectors at all schools. We are sadly subjected to them at sporting events, airports, government buildings, etc.

    It's not a perfect solution but for those shouting 'do something', it is certainly low hanging fruit. It's not going to deter something like the DC Sniper(s) who picked people off at a distance. But certainly within the walls of the school building, the kids are safe.

    Instead we dick around discussing the degree of which guns should and shouldn't be banned.

    Yes, the beeping would surely annoy the shooter into submission.
    I know you're being sarcastic but it's a fuckload better than letting an armed assassin wander into a cafeteria. Post 2 cops at the entrance of each school every fucking morning when students file in. 15 minutes max.

    This isn't fucking rocket science.

    People don't fuck with armored cars because you know....MACHINE FUCKING GUNS. Instead they knock off 7-11's where there's no armed presence.



    When was the last time we heard of a mass school shooting in the hood?
    You only hear about the ones in old rich white neighborhoods. You also barely heard about the one just outside of Spokane last year 5 miles from my house.
    NOGAFAS
    salemcoogpawz
  • creepycougcreepycoug Posts: 7,169
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    pawz said:

    My biggest fear is we are all being played by a much larger, sinister threat. Are those clamoring for gun control a fan of what has manifested from the passage of the Patriot Act?

    Don't forget, when Hitler took over Germany he made a point of doing so under the guise and authority of the standing Republic's constitution.

    Our current system gave us two "choices" DJT and HRC. The best America has to offer??

    The loss of life - especially a child's - is never acceptable. But as the noose tightens on the liberty we've come to take for granted, there is so much more at stake.

    Using the rise of The Third Reich in a discussion about 2nd Amendment Rights is one heck of a lousy historical analogy to make. Fascist dictatorship took hold in Germany because the country had no track record of successful democratic intuitions in its history. It didn't have anything to do with who owned guns or did not.
    And, like, a lot of other shit was going on in Germany then that has nothing to do with reality in the United States today. I laff just as hard when liberal bananas run around comparing Troomp to Nazi fascism, and in that case there's a little more there there.
    YellowSnow
  • SledogSledog Posts: 6,111
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    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Fake news you fucking moron
    No shit! But it's the truth and I know that hurts more. Of course she's so stupid it wouldn't surprise anyone if she actually said it.
  • SledogSledog Posts: 6,111
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    Sledog said:

    A few quotes from the brightest men.

    "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
    - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

    "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

    "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

    "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

    "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

    "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
    - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

    "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
    - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

    You know what the Founding Father's excelled at? Making compromises - that's what! The entire document is one big long set of compromises.

    We? don't want to take away all yer Guns. We? want the militia to be well regulated. At the moment, it is not. This 2nd amendment absolutism is going to doom your rights for generations to come if no compromise is made.
    I guess you missed the Heller decision by the supreme court?
  • salemcoogsalemcoog Posts: 8,708
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    2001400ex said:

    The solution seems pretty simple to me.

    Metal detectors at all schools. We are sadly subjected to them at sporting events, airports, government buildings, etc.

    It's not a perfect solution but for those shouting 'do something', it is certainly low hanging fruit. It's not going to deter something like the DC Sniper(s) who picked people off at a distance. But certainly within the walls of the school building, the kids are safe.

    Instead we dick around discussing the degree of which guns should and shouldn't be banned.

    Yes, the beeping would surely annoy the shooter into submission.
    I know you're being sarcastic but it's a fuckload better than letting an armed assassin wander into a cafeteria. Post 2 cops at the entrance of each school every fucking morning when students file in. 15 minutes max.

    This isn't fucking rocket science.

    People don't fuck with armored cars because you know....MACHINE FUCKING GUNS. Instead they knock off 7-11's where there's no armed presence.



    When was the last time we heard of a mass school shooting in the hood?
    You only hear about the ones in old rich white neighborhoods. You also barely heard about the one just outside of Spokane last year 5 miles from my house.
    Maybe YOU? didn't hear all about it because you're deaf and dumb, but #Freemanstrong was all over the NW media.
  • SledogSledog Posts: 6,111
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    2001400ex said:

    The solution seems pretty simple to me.

    Metal detectors at all schools. We are sadly subjected to them at sporting events, airports, government buildings, etc.

    It's not a perfect solution but for those shouting 'do something', it is certainly low hanging fruit. It's not going to deter something like the DC Sniper(s) who picked people off at a distance. But certainly within the walls of the school building, the kids are safe.

    Instead we dick around discussing the degree of which guns should and shouldn't be banned.

    Yes, the beeping would surely annoy the shooter into submission.
    I know you're being sarcastic but it's a fuckload better than letting an armed assassin wander into a cafeteria. Post 2 cops at the entrance of each school every fucking morning when students file in. 15 minutes max.

    This isn't fucking rocket science.

    People don't fuck with armored cars because you know....MACHINE FUCKING GUNS. Instead they knock off 7-11's where there's no armed presence.



    When was the last time we heard of a mass school shooting in the hood?
    You only hear about the ones in old rich white neighborhoods. You also barely heard about the one just outside of Spokane last year 5 miles from my house.
    Bullshit. But then it's Hondo with his race based logic.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Posts: 16,669
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    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    The solution seems pretty simple to me.

    Metal detectors at all schools. We are sadly subjected to them at sporting events, airports, government buildings, etc.

    It's not a perfect solution but for those shouting 'do something', it is certainly low hanging fruit. It's not going to deter something like the DC Sniper(s) who picked people off at a distance. But certainly within the walls of the school building, the kids are safe.

    Instead we dick around discussing the degree of which guns should and shouldn't be banned.

    Yes, the beeping would surely annoy the shooter into submission.
    I know you're being sarcastic but it's a fuckload better than letting an armed assassin wander into a cafeteria. Post 2 cops at the entrance of each school every fucking morning when students file in. 15 minutes max.

    This isn't fucking rocket science.

    People don't fuck with armored cars because you know....MACHINE FUCKING GUNS. Instead they knock off 7-11's where there's no armed presence.



    When was the last time we heard of a mass school shooting in the hood?
    You only hear about the ones in old rich white neighborhoods. You also barely heard about the one just outside of Spokane last year 5 miles from my house.
    Bullshit. But then it's Hondo with his race based logic.
    It's not about Race. It's also about wealth. And yes the neighborhood its in determines the media coverage. The one in Spokane had way less media coverage than this shooting. And it was not in a colored neighborhood.
    MikeDamone
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Posts: 10,783
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    The solution seems pretty simple to me.

    Metal detectors at all schools. We are sadly subjected to them at sporting events, airports, government buildings, etc.

    It's not a perfect solution but for those shouting 'do something', it is certainly low hanging fruit. It's not going to deter something like the DC Sniper(s) who picked people off at a distance. But certainly within the walls of the school building, the kids are safe.

    Instead we dick around discussing the degree of which guns should and shouldn't be banned.

    Yes, the beeping would surely annoy the shooter into submission.
    I know you're being sarcastic but it's a fuckload better than letting an armed assassin wander into a cafeteria. Post 2 cops at the entrance of each school every fucking morning when students file in. 15 minutes max.

    This isn't fucking rocket science.

    People don't fuck with armored cars because you know....MACHINE FUCKING GUNS. Instead they knock off 7-11's where there's no armed presence.



    When was the last time we heard of a mass school shooting in the hood?
    You only hear about the ones in old rich white neighborhoods. You also barely heard about the one just outside of Spokane last year 5 miles from my house.
    Bullshit. But then it's Hondo with his race based logic.
    It's not about Race. It's also about wealth. And yes the neighborhood its in determines the media coverage. The one in Spokane had way less media coverage than this shooting. And it was not in a colored neighborhood.
    It wasn't in Spokane. It was in Freeman.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Posts: 16,669
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    The solution seems pretty simple to me.

    Metal detectors at all schools. We are sadly subjected to them at sporting events, airports, government buildings, etc.

    It's not a perfect solution but for those shouting 'do something', it is certainly low hanging fruit. It's not going to deter something like the DC Sniper(s) who picked people off at a distance. But certainly within the walls of the school building, the kids are safe.

    Instead we dick around discussing the degree of which guns should and shouldn't be banned.

    Yes, the beeping would surely annoy the shooter into submission.
    I know you're being sarcastic but it's a fuckload better than letting an armed assassin wander into a cafeteria. Post 2 cops at the entrance of each school every fucking morning when students file in. 15 minutes max.

    This isn't fucking rocket science.

    People don't fuck with armored cars because you know....MACHINE FUCKING GUNS. Instead they knock off 7-11's where there's no armed presence.



    When was the last time we heard of a mass school shooting in the hood?
    You only hear about the ones in old rich white neighborhoods. You also barely heard about the one just outside of Spokane last year 5 miles from my house.
    Bullshit. But then it's Hondo with his race based logic.
    It's not about Race. It's also about wealth. And yes the neighborhood its in determines the media coverage. The one in Spokane had way less media coverage than this shooting. And it was not in a colored neighborhood.
    It wasn't in Spokane. It was in Freeman.

    That's your contribution?
    MikeDamone
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Posts: 10,783
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    The solution seems pretty simple to me.

    Metal detectors at all schools. We are sadly subjected to them at sporting events, airports, government buildings, etc.

    It's not a perfect solution but for those shouting 'do something', it is certainly low hanging fruit. It's not going to deter something like the DC Sniper(s) who picked people off at a distance. But certainly within the walls of the school building, the kids are safe.

    Instead we dick around discussing the degree of which guns should and shouldn't be banned.

    Yes, the beeping would surely annoy the shooter into submission.
    I know you're being sarcastic but it's a fuckload better than letting an armed assassin wander into a cafeteria. Post 2 cops at the entrance of each school every fucking morning when students file in. 15 minutes max.

    This isn't fucking rocket science.

    People don't fuck with armored cars because you know....MACHINE FUCKING GUNS. Instead they knock off 7-11's where there's no armed presence.



    When was the last time we heard of a mass school shooting in the hood?
    You only hear about the ones in old rich white neighborhoods. You also barely heard about the one just outside of Spokane last year 5 miles from my house.
    Bullshit. But then it's Hondo with his race based logic.
    It's not about Race. It's also about wealth. And yes the neighborhood its in determines the media coverage. The one in Spokane had way less media coverage than this shooting. And it was not in a colored neighborhood.
    It wasn't in Spokane. It was in Freeman.

    That's your contribution?
    Accuracy counts.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Posts: 9,261
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    A few quotes from the brightest men.

    "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
    - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

    "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

    "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

    "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

    "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

    "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
    - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

    "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
    - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

    You know what the Founding Father's excelled at? Making compromises - that's what! The entire document is one big long set of compromises.

    We? don't want to take away all yer Guns. We? want the militia to be well regulated. At the moment, it is not. This 2nd amendment absolutism is going to doom your rights for generations to come if no compromise is made.
    I guess you missed the Heller decision by the supreme court?
    Time's change and courts evolve. The SCOTUS also ruled in the 1930's that the Feds could tax Thompson Sub Machine Guns out of existence.
  • dncdnc Posts: 36,688
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    Blackie said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    doogie said:

    Seems to me, these attacks are over in a matter of a few minutes. Without armed support in the schools themselves, or the threat a school “ could” have armed support ( as compared with a badge proudly proclaiming THIS school is unprotected) not sure what the detectors would accomplish.

    How about a badge proudly warning: THIS school has Trained Marshall’s on site who MAY be armed.

    Well, if the fuckers can't get the guns in the schools, it's kind of hard to shoot up the fucking school, don't you think?

    The obvious question is how do you implement in such a way that the metal detectors actually prevent someone who is packing from just pulling the gun out and saying "let me through the detectors or I shoot"? I suppose there's a way that if there's a metal detector breach at some sort of pre school entrance then it locks down the school automatically but that's some serious technological infrastructure to add, which brings us back to funding. Also makes it feel like you're dropping your kids off at prison everyday, but yeah.

    I think we'll chinevitably end up there, just not sure how soon.

    And once schools are off the top of the "shoot up the world" list I assume these fuckers will move on to the next chinstitution. Churches? Chinstitutions of Higher Discussion, er Learning?

    Fixing the school problem is important, but probably just a bandaid.
    I'm more about 'doing something' than perpetually wringing our hands. The same shit that was in place in 1983 is still in place today. Save maybe some bump-stock laws. Woo-hoo. Awesome work.

    Every high school in this country could ax one administrator and pay for a metal detector. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

    If somebody has a better idea on what to do RIGHT NOW - fire away (no pun intended). But we (?) will continue to dick around and do nothing and more kids will get shot at every single week.

    EIGHTEEN shootings in 6 weeks so far this year.



    I'm not saying the metal detectors would cost too much, just saying the tech to lock the entire school down if there's a metal detector breach would be cost preventative. And without that tech, schools remain the primary target, it means shooters have to wait until everyone is in their classrooms, then make their entrance by taking out the one or two people watching the metal detectors.

    But having the detectors in place at least chincreases the degree of difficulty, which I'm all for.
    If you're serious about eliminating the threat at schools as much as possible (and you're not removing every last gun in existence because duh that's never happening), you lock down every school. Entry is only gained through entrances with some metal detectors or similar and armed security at those entrances. All other doors are exit-only. Granted, you create a target-rich environment at the line of kids waiting to get into the school.

    Banning --enter scary looking type of gun here--, limiting magazine size, requiring full background/mental illness checks for gun purchases, increasing waiting periods, whatever other feel-good criteria that suits your virtue-signalling fancy is not going to stop the attacks.
    Great poont about creating the target rich environment.

    There are no easy answers.
  • dnc said:

    doogie said:

    Seems to me, these attacks are over in a matter of a few minutes. Without armed support in the schools themselves, or the threat a school “ could” have armed support ( as compared with a badge proudly proclaiming THIS school is unprotected) not sure what the detectors would accomplish.

    How about a badge proudly warning: THIS school has Trained Marshall’s on site who MAY be armed.

    Well, if the fuckers can't get the guns in the schools, it's kind of hard to shoot up the fucking school, don't you think?

    The obvious question is how do you implement in such a way that the metal detectors actually prevent someone who is packing from just pulling the gun out and saying "let me through the detectors or I shoot"? I suppose there's a way that if there's a metal detector breach at some sort of pre school entrance then it locks down the school automatically but that's some serious technological infrastructure to add, which brings us back to funding. Also makes it feel like you're dropping your kids off at prison everyday, but yeah.

    I think we'll chinevitably end up there, just not sure how soon.

    And once schools are off the top of the "shoot up the world" list I assume these fuckers will move on to the next chinstitution. Churches? Chinstitutions of Higher Discussion, er Learning?

    Fixing the school problem is important, but probably just a bandaid.
    I'm more about 'doing something' than perpetually wringing our hands. The same shit that was in place in 1983 is still in place today. Save maybe some bump-stock laws. Woo-hoo. Awesome work.

    Every high school in this country could ax one administrator and pay for a metal detector. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

    If somebody has a better idea on what to do RIGHT NOW - fire away (no pun intended). But we (?) will continue to dick around and do nothing and more kids will get shot at every single week.

    EIGHTEEN shootings in 6 weeks so far this year.



    That number is complete bullshit
    Blackie
  • dfleadflea Posts: 3,675
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    dnc said:

    doogie said:

    Seems to me, these attacks are over in a matter of a few minutes. Without armed support in the schools themselves, or the threat a school “ could” have armed support ( as compared with a badge proudly proclaiming THIS school is unprotected) not sure what the detectors would accomplish.

    How about a badge proudly warning: THIS school has Trained Marshall’s on site who MAY be armed.

    Well, if the fuckers can't get the guns in the schools, it's kind of hard to shoot up the fucking school, don't you think?

    The obvious question is how do you implement in such a way that the metal detectors actually prevent someone who is packing from just pulling the gun out and saying "let me through the detectors or I shoot"? I suppose there's a way that if there's a metal detector breach at some sort of pre school entrance then it locks down the school automatically but that's some serious technological infrastructure to add, which brings us back to funding. Also makes it feel like you're dropping your kids off at prison everyday, but yeah.

    I think we'll chinevitably end up there, just not sure how soon.

    And once schools are off the top of the "shoot up the world" list I assume these fuckers will move on to the next chinstitution. Churches? Chinstitutions of Higher Discussion, er Learning?

    Fixing the school problem is important, but probably just a bandaid.
    I'm more about 'doing something' than perpetually wringing our hands. The same shit that was in place in 1983 is still in place today. Save maybe some bump-stock laws. Woo-hoo. Awesome work.

    Every high school in this country could ax one administrator and pay for a metal detector. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

    If somebody has a better idea on what to do RIGHT NOW - fire away (no pun intended). But we (?) will continue to dick around and do nothing and more kids will get shot at every single week.

    EIGHTEEN shootings in 6 weeks so far this year.



    That number is complete bullshit
    Let's say it's 4. That is still fucking outrageous. It isn't March yet.
    MikeDamone
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Posts: 10,783
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    dnc said:

    doogie said:

    Seems to me, these attacks are over in a matter of a few minutes. Without armed support in the schools themselves, or the threat a school “ could” have armed support ( as compared with a badge proudly proclaiming THIS school is unprotected) not sure what the detectors would accomplish.

    How about a badge proudly warning: THIS school has Trained Marshall’s on site who MAY be armed.

    Well, if the fuckers can't get the guns in the schools, it's kind of hard to shoot up the fucking school, don't you think?

    The obvious question is how do you implement in such a way that the metal detectors actually prevent someone who is packing from just pulling the gun out and saying "let me through the detectors or I shoot"? I suppose there's a way that if there's a metal detector breach at some sort of pre school entrance then it locks down the school automatically but that's some serious technological infrastructure to add, which brings us back to funding. Also makes it feel like you're dropping your kids off at prison everyday, but yeah.

    I think we'll chinevitably end up there, just not sure how soon.

    And once schools are off the top of the "shoot up the world" list I assume these fuckers will move on to the next chinstitution. Churches? Chinstitutions of Higher Discussion, er Learning?

    Fixing the school problem is important, but probably just a bandaid.
    I'm more about 'doing something' than perpetually wringing our hands. The same shit that was in place in 1983 is still in place today. Save maybe some bump-stock laws. Woo-hoo. Awesome work.

    Every high school in this country could ax one administrator and pay for a metal detector. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

    If somebody has a better idea on what to do RIGHT NOW - fire away (no pun intended). But we (?) will continue to dick around and do nothing and more kids will get shot at every single week.

    EIGHTEEN shootings in 6 weeks so far this year.



    That number is complete bullshit
    Fine. I will stand corrected if that's what it takes to get some fucking action besides right- wing liberty bullshit and left-wing gun control crap.

    Do fucking something. Standing pat is fucked.

    dflea
  • greenbloodgreenblood Posts: 7,046
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    Why were there less shootings in the 80's and 90's?
  • BlackieBlackie Posts: 493
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    Why were there less shootings in the 80's and 90's?

    there are far less shootings now than there were in the 80s and 90s
    GrundleStiltzkinTurdBuffer
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