Justin Flowe - 4* 2020 LB - Upland (HS), CA - (Offered 1/29/18)
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We've gone from the manic high of 2016 where "order has been restored to the universe" ( a doog talking point since 1994) to the spectre of two straight losses and the ducks with another league title, which as you know, I value a lot. Its the only thing we can control. Win and you're the kingcreepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And they are reeling in the kids. I don't think that ever stopped as much as some folks but still
But now its not can Meat coach its can Jimmy get it done? -
Well they are still in play for Manning, Ringo and probably Yary. Close 2 of those 3 and thats a probable top 10 class.BeerThirty said:right now Oregon's class is pretty light aside from the two 5 stars. I wouldn't call their class as a whole anything special.
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The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more? -
I'll contend that Stanford was the same problem as well. I have never in my life seen a bigger squandering of talent than this season. I'd even put the shitshow at linebacker at the feet of coaching, as it's inexcusable that, after an entire spring and fall and seven or whatever games to start the season, the staff couldn't do even one of:Gladstone said:I'll contend until the day I die that every 2019 L save Stanford (total airball no show) fell 100% on breathtakingly terrible coaching decisions, in-game and personnel.
- Pull the starters' heads out of their ass and teach them to be where they're supposed to be and using proper technique to make plays.
- Recognize one or more of the backups are better than the starters and act on that finding (Ulofoshio).
- Develop at least one of the freshmen into a serviceable starter by the start of the season (Tafisi, Sirmon, Hammer, Tuputala). Seems like half the teams in the conference have successfully started a freshman in the middle over the past few years, so don't tell me it's impossible.
Linebackers aside, there was NLF talent all over the offense, and the next two drafts will prove this out. Unless I was being wooshed, even Kirkland may be off to the draft, which makes the quality of play on that side of the ball even that much more infuriating.
You have to actively want to lose to gameplan and manage clock/playcalling as poorly as the staff did this year. And their prior strength--teaching fundamentals and details--seems to have fallen off as well, as evidenced by the best tackler on the team being a sub-190 pound true freshman corner. NOTHING that happened this season makes one goddamned bit of sense compared to what could have been predicted from roster and program maturity standpoints.
Fuck, I was clearly just triggered... - Pull the starters' heads out of their ass and teach them to be where they're supposed to be and using proper technique to make plays.
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My poast wasn’t directed at you, your poast just happened to spark my train of thought around the overall perception.whuggy said:
That's why I used the words "slightly better". It's not just about raw numbers which are totally open to anyone's perception since they are numbers created by so called experts. It's like Neighbor says the national narrative is that Oregon is knocking it out of the park while UW largely flies under the radar. That narrative or perception, whether true or not, has a lot of value in future recruiting. That is why I'm gonna stick with the words "slightly better".DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite. -
Posts from December 2018BeerThirty said:right now Oregon's class is pretty light aside from the two 5 stars. I wouldn't call their class as a whole anything special.
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@RaceBannon, that is kind of to my point. The last 3 classes (especially the last two) that have been so highly touted would be RS Soph, RE Frosh, and True Frosh. And we haven’t seen jack shit of them on the field. Then we get Bynum, Puka, and McDuffie on the field and they ball out.RaceBannon said:
I appreciate you and @dnc trying to keep it real but I;m not sure saying we have more talent and still lose to them and go 7-5 because our coaches suck makes me feel much betterDoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
I've seen these tweets even though I don't follow recruiting. Then I see our DAWGS look worse on the field. Fuck
Throw in this class and that’s the 4 years.
The best years of the recruiting have been these last 4 classes, but we haven’t seen them on the field.
Meanwhile Oregon’s young dudes from these classes are getting a ton of run.
That to me is just more coaching fuck ups tacked on top of the in game decisions. The older guys didn’t develop as well as in the past, and then the young thouroughbreds you brought in that are the best classes you’ve ever had are left in the stable.
Here’s to hoping Lake remedies that shit. -
Lake owes nothing to nobody when it comes to playing time. I hate the concept of seniority as a business tool. The best producers play and I don't care if we hired someone last month if he has a brain he moves up.DoogCourics said:
@RaceBannon, that is kind of to my point. The last 3 classes (especially the last two) that have been so highly touted would be RS Soph, RE Frosh, and True Frosh. And we haven’t seen jack shit of them on the field. Then we get Bynum, Puka, and McDuffie on the field and they ball out.RaceBannon said:
I appreciate you and @dnc trying to keep it real but I;m not sure saying we have more talent and still lose to them and go 7-5 because our coaches suck makes me feel much betterDoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
I've seen these tweets even though I don't follow recruiting. Then I see our DAWGS look worse on the field. Fuck
Throw in this class and that’s the 4 years.
The best years of the recruiting have been these last 4 classes, but we haven’t seen them on the field.
Meanwhile Oregon’s young dudes from these classes are getting a ton of run.
That to me is just more coaching fuck ups tacked on top of the in game decisions. The older guys didn’t develop as well as in the past, and then the young thouroughbreds you brought in that are the best classes you’ve ever had are left in the stable.
Here’s to hoping Lake remedies that shit.
The second half of the Revelation of St James was playing his hot new recruits over the 7-5 guys that were older.
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Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have. -
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
