Justin Flowe - 4* 2020 LB - Upland (HS), CA - (Offered 1/29/18)
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I appreciate you and @dnc trying to keep it real but I;m not sure saying we have more talent and still lose to them and go 7-5 because our coaches suck makes me feel much betterDoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
I've seen these tweets even though I don't follow recruiting. Then I see our DAWGS look worse on the field. Fuck -
I mean we're talking entirely UW freshman in those two classes referenced.RaceBannon said:
I appreciate you and @dnc trying to keep it real but I;m not sure saying we have more talent and still lose to them and go 7-5 because our coaches suck makes me feel much betterDoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
I've seen these tweets even though I don't follow recruiting. Then I see our DAWGS look worse on the field. Fuck
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Wait, so we got rid of Bush?Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
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I'm ride or die with your philosophy. You know that. But I do buy into the concept that we have brought in plenty of TBS talent. The numbers don't lie. We have recruited top of the Pac, along with Oregon, for 4 years straight. It isn't the talent we are bringing in that's the problem. It's the shit in game decisions, the shit play calling, the poor player management, the total lack of fun or alpha mentality throughout the program, etc. We have gotten piles of good players the last 4 years. We just did less with more this year. Coaching. Go figure.RaceBannon said:
I appreciate you and @dnc trying to keep it real but I;m not sure saying we have more talent and still lose to them and go 7-5 because our coaches suck makes me feel much betterDoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
I've seen these tweets even though I don't follow recruiting. Then I see our DAWGS look worse on the field. Fuck -
Everyone likes to hate on Feld and the rest of the Oregon staff, but it seems to me if the last 3 years the classes have been equal, that it's a player development problem for UW. That, or running systems that are too complex for young players to grasp. Outside of Puka/Newton, I can't really remember any true freshmen contributing and playing well for UW this year. Oregon had 7 that had stepped into key roles by the end of the year, who barely played meaningful minutes at the beginning of the season.
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It's a combo. Using the wrong players, poor in game coaching, terrible offensive philosophy, some player development issues, poor play calling, etc. So yes, coaching. Turns out against all odds it appears Cristoballz was better at it than Pete. At least burnout "I don't enjoy the Rose Bowel" Pete.ntxduck said:Everyone likes to hate on Feld and the rest of the Oregon staff, but it seems to me if the last 3 years the classes have been equal, that it's a player development problem for UW. That, or running systems that are too complex for young players to grasp. Outside of Puka/Newton, I can't really remember any true freshmen contributing and playing well for UW this year. Oregon had 7 that had stepped into key roles by the end of the year, who barely played meaningful minutes at the beginning of the season.
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Development has shown to be strong at UW over a bigger sample so I don’t think it’s A. I think B is the answer as well as our risk aversion. We have been a philosophically safe program. Oregon has been much more willing to take risks.ntxduck said:Everyone likes to hate on Feld and the rest of the Oregon staff, but it seems to me if the last 3 years the classes have been equal, that it's a player development problem for UW. That, or running systems that are too complex for young players to grasp. Outside of Puka/Newton, I can't really remember any true freshmen contributing and playing well for UW this year. Oregon had 7 that had stepped into key roles by the end of the year, who barely played meaningful minutes at the beginning of the season.
Oregon won the 2018 game by going for it repeatedly on fourth down and getting it. We went for it once, a qb sneak, and failed. Never risked it again. Sat on the ball to play for a fg when we were kicking your defensive lines ass all the way up the field.
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Oregon and UW's classes have been relatively similar, but Oregon is by far winning the national narrative about their recruiting. I can't count how many times I've heard national people say that Oregon is by far out recruiting everyone else in the pac-12.
UW's recruiting just isn't flashy, we get local kids, close most of them early, and don't disturb the national recruiting scene. Narratives are just narratives, but unless we start competing on guys like Flowe, Oregon is just going to have an easier time selling themselves over us. -
Didn’t read the thread. Great get for the Ducks. Hopefully we don’t have too many here acting like little brother. It’s one player.
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The hating on Feld will continue unabated. I agree with @dnc that before this year we were actually happy with our strength program and development of players for the first time in a long time. This year was bad in almost every area. When you lose in the 4th quarter game after game the FINISH tee shirts come out for the next season and we all know what that meansntxduck said:Everyone likes to hate on Feld and the rest of the Oregon staff, but it seems to me if the last 3 years the classes have been equal, that it's a player development problem for UW. That, or running systems that are too complex for young players to grasp. Outside of Puka/Newton, I can't really remember any true freshmen contributing and playing well for UW this year. Oregon had 7 that had stepped into key roles by the end of the year, who barely played meaningful minutes at the beginning of the season.
My #1 concern is the offensive line. It is so much mental/ Hopefully getting rid of the candy ass at the top will help. Otherwise Huff is next
