Patrick Utschinski, 2* 2019 OT, Walla Walla (HS), WA
He's 6'6, 270 and not at all fat. Probably would play close to 315 in college. His coach thinks he has a high upside, but is pretty raw right now.
I'm not sure we'll offer, but any time we get interested in local kids, I think it's noteworthy.
Here's his hudl: https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6018420/59ac20bb9a91a209e4e8d230
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Looks like Jaxson Kirkland. Nasty.
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He might be raw, but he plays like an asshole. I like him. I don't believe those measurements, though.
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No - the measurements are real. I'm sure about that.NorwegianHusky said:He might be raw, but he plays like an asshole. I like him. I don't believe those measurements, though.
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I think he's referring to the 6'7" 280 listed in the videoDennis_DeYoung said:
No - the measurements are real. I'm sure about that.NorwegianHusky said:He might be raw, but he plays like an asshole. I like him. I don't believe those measurements, though.
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He’s 6’6, 270, so close enough.
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Probably has Russian mob family ties. Maybe even conceived at WSP on a special visit between mom and dad.
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Any player with Chin in his name has to be good.
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I had to Utschinski this post.picalogestabo said:Any player with Chin in his name has to be good.
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Ustchincredible?
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Ustchinnovative
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So the in-state O line class is Kalepo, Elder and this kid? They all look to have really high ceilings. It would be pretty crazy if our O line recruits all came from in state.
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Man, I really like him. He even pass sets pretty well for a junior with not much experience. And he is nasty. This is the type of player that I hate missing on from in state. I always feel the majority of our OL should be from WA.
He bends really well in his stance, is athletic, really long torso and short legs. I love him. Fantastic name too. He reminds me of an advanced Kaleb McGary. -
I hope he gets an offer if most of the offered OT's look elsewhere. This guy was made in a lab.
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You'd love for a kid like this to stay under the radar enough to be a preferred walk-on ... I doubt that that happens.
This is where it becomes a really fine line with our recruiting:
I would NEVER advocate that we take an in-state kid that has some project in him just because he's in-state unless we are certain that after that project bears fruit that he's every bit as good as a higher end recruit that we could be getting.
I still think that you continue to swing for the fences with elite guys on the West Coast and into Texas and see how that progresses. At the same time, you continue building this relationship and be his biggest fan while he develops. If he hits the point where the gap between where he is and where he needs to get to narrows enough where the project isn't as sizeable, then I think you go ahead and offer. If you play your cards right, you can come in strong at the end and pull him if and as needed.
The reality is that we are big game hunting for national titles caliber players. While I love watching guys develop and turn into elite players, we don't have as much room for those players on our roster given that we're drawing increased interest from already elite players. -
I honestly don’t disagreeTequilla said:You'd love for a kid like this to stay under the radar enough to be a preferred walk-on ... I doubt that that happens.
This is where it becomes a really fine line with our recruiting:
I would NEVER advocate that we take an in-state kid that has some project in him just because he's in-state unless we are certain that after that project bears fruit that he's every bit as good as a higher end recruit that we could be getting.
I still think that you continue to swing for the fences with elite guys on the West Coast and into Texas and see how that progresses. At the same time, you continue building this relationship and be his biggest fan while he develops. If he hits the point where the gap between where he is and where he needs to get to narrows enough where the project isn't as sizeable, then I think you go ahead and offer. If you play your cards right, you can come in strong at the end and pull him if and as needed.
The reality is that we are big game hunting for national titles caliber players. While I love watching guys develop and turn into elite players, we don't have as much room for those players on our roster given that we're drawing increased interest from already elite players. -
Idk I think there is a good chance. He does live in fucking Walla Walla....Tequilla said:You'd love for a kid like this to stay under the radar enough to be a preferred walk-on ... I doubt that that happens.
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Don't disagree, but I do think there is room to use grayshirts to go after some of these types of local, raw projects that do have the ability to be high-end players, especially on the OL/DL where age/development is critical. Not necessarily every year, but every other year or so. I half wished we would have tried this last season with Cade Beresford, and I think it would be good this season with either this guy or Elder or somebody on the DL like Will Vea depending on how they show up in summer camp and during their Sr. year. If room opens up maybe they make it in this season, but if not you giving them an extra year/Spring session to develop.Tequilla said:You'd love for a kid like this to stay under the radar enough to be a preferred walk-on ... I doubt that that happens.
This is where it becomes a really fine line with our recruiting:
I would NEVER advocate that we take an in-state kid that has some project in him just because he's in-state unless we are certain that after that project bears fruit that he's every bit as good as a higher end recruit that we could be getting.
I still think that you continue to swing for the fences with elite guys on the West Coast and into Texas and see how that progresses. At the same time, you continue building this relationship and be his biggest fan while he develops. If he hits the point where the gap between where he is and where he needs to get to narrows enough where the project isn't as sizeable, then I think you go ahead and offer. If you play your cards right, you can come in strong at the end and pull him if and as needed.
The reality is that we are big game hunting for national titles caliber players. While I love watching guys develop and turn into elite players, we don't have as much room for those players on our roster given that we're drawing increased interest from already elite players.
I think there is also something to be said for having a couple of these types of kids on the team as far as team chemistry...local kids who's been dreaming of going to the UW for years.
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Bleenor??CuntWaffle said:
Idk I think there is a good chance. He does live in fucking Walla Walla....Tequilla said:You'd love for a kid like this to stay under the radar enough to be a preferred walk-on ... I doubt that that happens.
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I’m not a huge fan of grayshirting in our position for a few reasons:
1) highly unlikely that anybody we want to gray shirt doesn’t have at least a handful of P12 offers
2) is an additional year going to make better than a recruit next year? It’s essentially bird in hand theory question.
3) what if the project doesn’t develop?
Where I would be on board is if we ever find ourselves in a position where we may max out a class and need to push numbers and/or when there is an injury issue in place where starting the clock makes zero sense -
We should hold out for another Nick Harris.Dennis_DeYoung said:So, there's a kid on the East Side that Huff has gotten interested in. From what I understand, last year was his first year playing football.
He's 6'6, 270 and not at all fat. Probably would play close to 315 in college. His coach thinks he has a high upside, but is pretty raw right now.
I'm not sure we'll offer, but any time we get interested in local kids, I think it's noteworthy.
Here's his hudl: https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6018420/59ac20bb9a91a209e4e8d230 -
For skill positions agree completely...I don't think an extra year of physical development gets you a whole lot. But I'd argue OL and to a lesser extent DL are a bit different. And if they are local guys and the offers are WSU and OSU and such I think you could still bring them in (I have no clue and am just guessing but I think if we offered Beresford a grayshirt he would have come).Tequilla said:I’m not a huge fan of grayshirting in our position for a few reasons:
1) highly unlikely that anybody we want to gray shirt doesn’t have at least a handful of P12 offers
2) is an additional year going to make better than a recruit next year? It’s essentially bird in hand theory question.
3) what if the project doesn’t develop?
Where I would be on board is if we ever find ourselves in a position where we may max out a class and need to push numbers and/or when there is an injury issue in place where starting the clock makes zero sense
If you look at a guy like Utschinski (6'6", 270 lbs and appears to be athletic as hell) and compare him to a guy like Mele (6'5", 270 lbs and athletic) and decide their athletic abilities/frames/potential are about the same and the primary difference is that Mele's been playing competitive football and weight training for 4 years and is a hell of a lot more advanced while the other guy hasn't done any of that. You would always want the Mele's, but you are willing to take someone every few years with that high ceiling but is WAY further away and give him an extra year of development/weight room.
You end up with a local kid who loves UW in the locker room, will be in the system for 3 years before they even see the 2 deeps (while only counting for 2 years on scholarship), and you've got an OL that's going to be 22 or 23 when they graduate.
But then again if we can get Hatchett and Murao in 2020 nobody will give a shite. -
Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff
Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?
If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to? -
Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.Tequilla said:Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff
Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?
If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.
The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition. -
dude curne has a potential to be an all american, i feel he has the lowest floor and the highest ceiling out of the OL recruits we gotHoustonHusky said:
Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.Tequilla said:Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff
Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?
If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.
The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition. -
We? willPassion said:
We should hold out for another Nick Harris.Dennis_DeYoung said:So, there's a kid on the East Side that Huff has gotten interested in. From what I understand, last year was his first year playing football.
He's 6'6, 270 and not at all fat. Probably would play close to 315 in college. His coach thinks he has a high upside, but is pretty raw right now.
I'm not sure we'll offer, but any time we get interested in local kids, I think it's noteworthy.
Here's his hudl: https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6018420/59ac20bb9a91a209e4e8d230 -
Kid plays like a real dick. I like it.
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You think he has a lower floor than Ale and Mele?WeakarmCobra said:
dude curne has a potential to be an all american, i feel he has the lowest floor and the highest ceiling out of the OL recruits we gotHoustonHusky said:
Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.Tequilla said:Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff
Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?
If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.
The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition.
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Fuck, I should read what I write, i meant he has the highest floor and the highest ceilingFKA_Mousecop said:
You think he has a lower floor than Ale and Mele?WeakarmCobra said:
dude curne has a potential to be an all american, i feel he has the lowest floor and the highest ceiling out of the OL recruits we gotHoustonHusky said:
Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.Tequilla said:Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff
Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?
If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.
The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition. -
It could be worse. You could write your full name and birthday on here when you don't know anybody.WeakarmCobra said:
Fuck, I should read what I write, i meant he has the highest floor and the highest ceiling
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