Who said it: Sark or Mora?
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Mediocre is a bit strong. He won the division last season and over achieved. This year is not yet finished and asu and USC will determine it.chrisvashon said:For the millionth time, it's not about Sark vs Mora. (But the fact that people feel the need to point out how bad Sark is in order to justify Mora's mediocrity is telling.)
It's about pushing back on the idea that Mora is some transcedant coach. That he's above excuse-making and tempering expectations and kick ass pressers.
The reality is that Mora is just another guy. He uses the same coach speak, he makes the same excuses. He's average. And not UW's savior.
If they are still losing to Stanford and oregon next year that is a red flag.
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Time will tell, one way or the other, but I do think he will prove to be a very good college football coach. He's emphasizing the right areas in recruiting and bringing a physical style of play to UCLA, something that they've lacked for a very long time.AtomicDawg said:
Mediocre is a bit strong. He won the division last season and over achieved. This year is not yet finished and asu and USC will determine it.chrisvashon said:For the millionth time, it's not about Sark vs Mora. (But the fact that people feel the need to point out how bad Sark is in order to justify Mora's mediocrity is telling.)
It's about pushing back on the idea that Mora is some transcedant coach. That he's above excuse-making and tempering expectations and kick ass pressers.
The reality is that Mora is just another guy. He uses the same coach speak, he makes the same excuses. He's average. And not UW's savior.
If they are still losing to Stanford and oregon next year that is a red flag.
That said, I do think it is fair to say that his trajectory in the NFL was a lot like Neuheisel's in college, which does lend credibility to a wait and see position on him. And, in hindsight I'm also not so sure he over achieved last year. Rick "won" the division the year before with a gimpy team and a 6-6 record. That division has been very weak. Mora also closed out the season with three straight losses including a full on power plunger in the bowel game. Very Sark like. Still, I'd trade UCLA coaches and not spend a second thinking about the decision. We're going nowhere with Sark. -
Look, @chrisvashon, DJ's coaching tree has the #1 college coach in the past 20 years, Saban. It has a top tier coach in Pinkel. On a lower branch is Mora. Mora never got a great shot at Atlanta or the Seahawks. So far, he looks better than Sark to me, but that's not hard, because Sark is an average OC and a lousy HC. We can hire a better OC and a better HC, that's not hard.
I really don't give a shit, who said what after a game. I care about how the kids respond to the coach. I actually care more about the fucked up Honks say, than I care about what the coach says. It's always predictable, obvious bull shit anyway. -
So then, you guys are okay with him losing to Oregon and Stanford, as long as he says the right things?
Sounds like a moral victorism to me... rather doogish. -
He's average? Said
Nobody said that, doog.Your_Mom said:So then, you guys are okay with him losing to Oregon and Stanford, as long as he says the right things?
Sounds like a moral victorism to me... rather doogish. -
Rick won the south the year before and was fired. I wouldn't call that over achieving.AtomicDawg said:
Mediocre is a bit strong. He won the division last season and over achieved. This year is not yet finished and asu and USC will determine it.chrisvashon said:For the millionth time, it's not about Sark vs Mora. (But the fact that people feel the need to point out how bad Sark is in order to justify Mora's mediocrity is telling.)
It's about pushing back on the idea that Mora is some transcedant coach. That he's above excuse-making and tempering expectations and kick ass pressers.
The reality is that Mora is just another guy. He uses the same coach speak, he makes the same excuses. He's average. And not UW's savior.
If they are still losing to Stanford and oregon next year that is a red flag. -
USC won the south and was ineligible. USC beat Rick by 60 points that year. HTHalumni94 said:Rick won the south the year before and was fired. I wouldn't call that over achieving.
AtomicDawg said:
Mediocre is a bit strong. He won the division last season and over achieved. This year is not yet finished and asu and USC will determine it.chrisvashon said:For the millionth time, it's not about Sark vs Mora. (But the fact that people feel the need to point out how bad Sark is in order to justify Mora's mediocrity is telling.)
It's about pushing back on the idea that Mora is some transcedant coach. That he's above excuse-making and tempering expectations and kick ass pressers.
The reality is that Mora is just another guy. He uses the same coach speak, he makes the same excuses. He's average. And not UW's savior.
If they are still losing to Stanford and oregon next year that is a red flag. -
I agree that IDGAF what a coach says in a presser. This thread is directed at those who, just a week ago, were posting links to Mora's press conference and fawning over what a badass, take-no-prisoners dude he is.death2ducks said:Look, @chrisvashon, DJ's coaching tree has the #1 college coach in the past 20 years, Saban. It has a top tier coach in Pinkel. On a lower branch is Mora. Mora never got a great shot at Atlanta or the Seahawks. So far, he looks better than Sark to me, but that's not hard, because Sark is an average OC and a lousy HC. We can hire a better OC and a better HC, that's not hard.
I really don't give a shit, who said what after a game. I care about how the kids respond to the coach. I actually care more about the fucked up Honks say, than I care about what the coach says. It's always predictable, obvious bull shit anyway.
So it's pretty funny that a week later he goes full Sark and starts talking about how they're young and it's a process and it's going to take awhile.
That's it. Mora may well turn out to be a great coach (I'm very skeptical, but it could happen). But it will have nothing to do with his kick ass pressers. Just like always. -
Press conferences are on my ignore list unless the coach is having a meltdown. I love those. The best ones I've seen over the years have come from Jim Mora, Jim L Mora, and Herm Edwards. Not surprisingly those are three of my favorite coaches.
Coach speak is always gay but every coach uses it. Those guys get paid the big bucks to sit there in front of the media and use as many words as possible to say absolutely nothing. I pay no attention. -
It's undoubtedly a good thing that football coaches aren't paid to talk,........ although the best amongst the craft seem to have the knack for getting the most mileage for the wind exhaled in public.
