Richie Incognito update
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This isn't a meek little midget getting fucked with on the back of the bus by some bigger kids. Martin is 6'5" 312 pounds and a grown man. How many guys in the league would let someone fuck with them to that point? Why wasn't Mike Pouncey fucked with as much? He's from the same draft class as Martin. I'm going to guess he wouldn't have put up with that shit.TheKobeStopper said:
Man I don't know what fairly take you grew up in. This media creation of the bully that thrives on weakness and all you gotta do is puff out your chest and get tough with him is bullshit. This is real life. Not a movie. Not a movie. Not a movie. We talkin bout real life.RoadDawg55 said:
Abundance. Incognito is a terrible person and Martin is somewhat of a pussy. Bullies like Incognito thrive on weakness.TheKobeStopper said:
Once on Dawgman on one of the 9/11 anniversaries (never forget), I wrote that I wished every American soldier in Iraq would die (sorry Mike). And I think you're an asshole.RoadDawg55 said:At first, I thought Martin was just a huge pussy (he still is to an extent)
I don't know why Jonathan Martin didn't stand up to him. Maybe he thought he'd get his ass kicked. Maybe he's a grown up that realizes fighting is childish. Maybe he thought he was doing the manly thing. Taking it. Eating all the shit Incognito gave him. Whatever the reason was doesn't make him a pussy. Unless Martin was purposely doing things to piss off Incognito and then trying to play the victim, he was just a man trying to get through a shitty situation until it broke him.
In the land of the NFL, Martin is soft. You can say it's a meathead culture, and you are probably right, but that's what a lot of players and executives are thinking as well. CreepyCoug had a good point about Kreutz, Kennedy, etc. They would never have put up with this shit. I doubt many linemen in the NFL would. Let's see who wants Martin after this. My guess is nobody, because he's going to continue to get fucked with because he's an easy target in a culture that thrives on weakness.
Martin is getting made out to be a martyr by people like you and the media. Nobody is saying Incognito isn't a dickhead, but this shit does not happen to an NFL player unless they are soft. There are better way to handle issues than storming out in the middle of the week before a game. That's part of being a grown man. I understand he has personal issues, but I'm sure many other people in that organization do as well, and they don't storm out.
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The racist stuff in Incognito's voice message is troubling and uncalled for, but the rest of it is all a joke. Let's be real, do you think Martin was actually worried Incognito was going to shit in his mouth or slap his mother? I'm reading comments on these stories and some people are so FS. Not everything is meant to be taken literally. If Incognito said he was going to fuck him in the ass, people would call him a rapist. I also wonder why Martin would save all these things unless he was planning something like this all along? You couldn't handle it any worse than Martin.
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Completely agree. If he had not use the racial slur (which he shouldn't have) then this wouldn't be nearly as big of a story with the media right now. The death "threat" was too much as well.RoadDawg55 said:The racist stuff in Incognito's voice message is troubling and uncalled for, but the rest of it is all a joke. Let's be real, do you think Martin was actually worried Incognito was going to shit in his mouth or slap his mother? I'm reading comments on these stories and some people are so FS. Not everything is meant to be taken literally. If Incognito said he was going to fuck him in the ass, people would call him a rapist. I also wonder why Martin would save all these things unless he was planning something like this all along? You couldn't handle it any worse than Martin.
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It's becoming more and more evident Martin is Charmin soft. Mike Pouncey said Martin has considered quitting football many times before finally storming out.
Props to Martin. I think he is outsmarting them. He is getting what he wanted all along. A way to get his money (He will by lawsuit) and not having to play football to get it.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp -
Lol this article just goes to show you this is more about the left playing the race card than it is "bullying".RoadDawg55 said:It's becoming more and more evident Martin is Charmin soft. Mike Pouncey said Martin has considered quitting football many times before finally storming out.
Props to Martin. I think he is outsmarting them. He is getting what he wanted all along. A way to get his money (He will by lawsuit) and not having to play football to get it.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp -
death2ducks said:
really?dnc said:Is part of the Dolphins six player "Leadership Council".
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Who among us has never been called an honorary black man? I mean besides DJ.RoadDawg55 said:It's becoming more and more evident Martin is Charmin soft. Mike Pouncey said Martin has considered quitting football many times before finally storming out.
Props to Martin. I think he is outsmarting them. He is getting what he wanted all along. A way to get his money (He will by lawsuit) and not having to play football to get it.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
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To Road Dawgs point if both Martin and Incognito were to be released who would you rather the Seahawks pick up? I think anyone who cares about winning would say Incognito.
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What the fuck has Incognito ever won?He_Needs_More_Time said:To Road Dawgs point if both Martin and Incognito were to be released who would you rather the Seahawks pick up? I think anyone who cares about winning would say Incognito.
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Incognito for sure, the comments by most of his teammates and opponents speak volumes. One of the favorite among teammates and hated by opponents. Defenders would be reluctant to get a cheap shot on RW with Incognito and Giac backing him up.He_Needs_More_Time said:To Road Dawgs point if both Martin and Incognito were to be released who would you rather the Seahawks pick up? I think anyone who cares about winning would say Incognito.
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Martin's ballsack.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
What the fuck has Incognito ever won?He_Needs_More_Time said:To Road Dawgs point if both Martin and Incognito were to be released who would you rather the Seahawks pick up? I think anyone who cares about winning would say Incognito.
Incognito:Martin :: matmik:Grinolds
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It's a team sport and he was a pro bowler just last year.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
What the fuck has Incognito ever won?He_Needs_More_Time said:To Road Dawgs point if both Martin and Incognito were to be released who would you rather the Seahawks pick up? I think anyone who cares about winning would say Incognito.
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Everybody makes the Pro Bowl now.He_Needs_More_Time said:
It's a team sport and he was a pro bowler just last year.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
What the fuck has Incognito ever won?He_Needs_More_Time said:To Road Dawgs point if both Martin and Incognito were to be released who would you rather the Seahawks pick up? I think anyone who cares about winning would say Incognito.
Seattle needs tackles anyway, not guards.
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Sorry to keep adding links, but stop making Martin out to be a martyr. Not a single guy has stood up for him. According to Brian Hartline, Martin was passing around the voicemail and laughing about it.
I feel bad that Martin was suffering, but he pulled some bullshit and ran instead of doing anything about it. Hopefully he gets some money from a lawsuit (debatable) because no team is going to put up with this shit for a tackle who wasn't even any good.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
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“There are some people saying that Jonathan Martin is soft. For anybody to say he can’t handle it is really disappointing to me, and it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense.”RoadDawg55 said:Sorry to keep adding links, but stop making Martin out to be a martyr. Not a single guy has stood up for him. According to Brian Hartline, Martin was passing around the voicemail and laughing about it.
I feel bad that Martin was suffering, but he pulled some bullshit and ran instead of doing anything about it. Hopefully he gets some money from a lawsuit (debatable) because no team is going to put up with this shit for a tackle who wasn't even any good.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
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Says his college teammate. Why is there not one Dolphin that is sticking up for Martin? These are the guys who are there every day. Why was Martin laughing about the voice message with teammates until he snapped and used it against Incognito? Mike Pouncey said today that Martin has threatened to quit many times before this incident. Other teammates said Incognito treated Martin no different than any other lineman. Another player said they pulled the "Mean Girls" prank on many other players and even on Coach Philbin. Once again, it was not unique to just Martin.CollegeDoog said:
“There are some people saying that Jonathan Martin is soft. For anybody to say he can’t handle it is really disappointing to me, and it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense.”RoadDawg55 said:Sorry to keep adding links, but stop making Martin out to be a martyr. Not a single guy has stood up for him. According to Brian Hartline, Martin was passing around the voicemail and laughing about it.
I feel bad that Martin was suffering, but he pulled some bullshit and ran instead of doing anything about it. Hopefully he gets some money from a lawsuit (debatable) because no team is going to put up with this shit for a tackle who wasn't even any good.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
-Doug Baldwin
The culture of the NFL is wrong and meatheadish. A lot of these guys are not very smart. I don't think it is right for veterans to make rookies foot large dinner bills, pay for trips, etc. It wasn't just Martin that had to do that though. Martin did not fit in and probably wasn't meant to play in the NFL. I don't think everyone is cut out for it. Martin was a disaster at LT and probably could not take coaches screaming at him and other lineman making fun of him for fucking up. They fucked with him because they knew they could.
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Seahawks guards aren't that good either. I wouldn't mind Incognito as I know Seattle has a good organization that wouldn't allow him to be a problem.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Everybody makes the Pro Bowl now.He_Needs_More_Time said:
It's a team sport and he was a pro bowler just last year.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
What the fuck has Incognito ever won?He_Needs_More_Time said:To Road Dawgs point if both Martin and Incognito were to be released who would you rather the Seahawks pick up? I think anyone who cares about winning would say Incognito.
Seattle needs tackles anyway, not guards.
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You're really buying in to the smearing campaign against Martin. It's hearsay in my opinion. None of what you described in your 1st paragraph makes anything about what Incognito did and the overall locker room culture OK. They are simply excuses for putrid behavior and a lack of sensitivity. Call me a pussy for saying sensitivity, but whatever. Martin was dealing with personal issues that were exploited by Incognito and others. That is not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.RoadDawg55 said:
Says his college teammate. Why is there not one Dolphin that is sticking up for Martin? These are the guys who are there every day. Why was Martin laughing about the voice message with teammates until he snapped and used it against Incognito? Mike Pouncey said today that Martin has threatened to quit many times before this incident. Other teammates said Incognito treated Martin no different than any other lineman. Another player said they pulled the "Mean Girls" prank on many other players and even on Coach Philbin. Once again, it was not unique to just Martin.CollegeDoog said:
“There are some people saying that Jonathan Martin is soft. For anybody to say he can’t handle it is really disappointing to me, and it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense.”RoadDawg55 said:Sorry to keep adding links, but stop making Martin out to be a martyr. Not a single guy has stood up for him. According to Brian Hartline, Martin was passing around the voicemail and laughing about it.
I feel bad that Martin was suffering, but he pulled some bullshit and ran instead of doing anything about it. Hopefully he gets some money from a lawsuit (debatable) because no team is going to put up with this shit for a tackle who wasn't even any good.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
-Doug Baldwin
The culture of the NFL is wrong and meatheadish. A lot of these guys are not very smart. I don't think it is right for veterans to make rookies foot large dinner bills, pay for trips, etc. It wasn't just Martin that had to do that though. Martin did not fit in and probably wasn't meant to play in the NFL. I don't think everyone is cut out for it. Martin was a disaster at LT and probably could not take coaches screaming at him and other lineman making fun of him for fucking up. They fucked with him because they knew they could.
Read what Baldwin said again. "it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense." Like Sven said, the NFL is a business. We can't excuse these actions as a symptom of "meathead culture". These guys are professionals. The culture that tolerates this behavior needs to change.
None of this has to do with Martin being "soft". It's just as likely that he's a professional who was tired of dealing with bullshit. Confronting it would've been useless. The only alternative was to remove himself from the situation.
I urge you to read your last three sentences again after reading my post. The problem should not be that he isn't "cut out" for the contemporary locker room culture. The problem is the culture itself. The culture that allowed this to persist. -
There is a lot to debate in your post, and I don't think you are entirely wrong, but I think Martin deserves some of the blame, and while Incognito is a terrible person, he is becoming a scapegoat in all of this. Obviously, Incognito put this on himself by using racist language, but Martin handled this wrong.CollegeDoog said:
You're really buying in to the smearing campaign against Martin. It's hearsay in my opinion. None of what you described in your 1st paragraph makes anything about what Incognito did and the overall locker room culture OK. They are simply excuses for putrid behavior and a lack of sensitivity. Call me a pussy for saying sensitivity, but whatever. Martin was dealing with personal issues that were exploited by Incognito and others. That is not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.RoadDawg55 said:
Says his college teammate. Why is there not one Dolphin that is sticking up for Martin? These are the guys who are there every day. Why was Martin laughing about the voice message with teammates until he snapped and used it against Incognito? Mike Pouncey said today that Martin has threatened to quit many times before this incident. Other teammates said Incognito treated Martin no different than any other lineman. Another player said they pulled the "Mean Girls" prank on many other players and even on Coach Philbin. Once again, it was not unique to just Martin.CollegeDoog said:
“There are some people saying that Jonathan Martin is soft. For anybody to say he can’t handle it is really disappointing to me, and it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense.”RoadDawg55 said:Sorry to keep adding links, but stop making Martin out to be a martyr. Not a single guy has stood up for him. According to Brian Hartline, Martin was passing around the voicemail and laughing about it.
I feel bad that Martin was suffering, but he pulled some bullshit and ran instead of doing anything about it. Hopefully he gets some money from a lawsuit (debatable) because no team is going to put up with this shit for a tackle who wasn't even any good.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
-Doug Baldwin
The culture of the NFL is wrong and meatheadish. A lot of these guys are not very smart. I don't think it is right for veterans to make rookies foot large dinner bills, pay for trips, etc. It wasn't just Martin that had to do that though. Martin did not fit in and probably wasn't meant to play in the NFL. I don't think everyone is cut out for it. Martin was a disaster at LT and probably could not take coaches screaming at him and other lineman making fun of him for fucking up. They fucked with him because they knew they could.
Read what Baldwin said again. "it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense." Like Sven said, the NFL is a business. We can't excuse these actions as a symptom of "meathead culture". These guys are professionals. The culture that tolerates this behavior needs to change.
None of this has to do with Martin being "soft". It's just as likely that he's a professional who was tired of dealing with bullshit. Confronting it would've been useless. The only alternative was to remove himself from the situation.
I urge you to read your last three sentences again after reading my post. The problem should not be that he isn't "cut out" for the contemporary locker room culture. The problem is the culture itself. The culture that allowed this to persist.
Sven point about it being a business is a valid one, but it is also not your typical business. These guys are encouraged to fuck guys up on the field. In a way, they are modern day gladiators. Some guys are able to turn that off once they step off the field, and others aren't.
On the flip side, in any business you have to be able to deal with pressure and scrutiny. It sounds like Martin could not. He was playing terribly and had recently lost his job as LT before the incident. In a business, when you are not performing, your bosses and co workers are not going to be friendly with you. I think part of it was Martin could not handle getting yelled at by his coaches and ridiculed by his teammates for playing like shit. Coaches in high school football yell and demean players. It multiplies the higher level you play at.
In my job, I have been yelled at for fucking shit up, I have been blamed for shit that wasn't my fault, and I have had really fucked up shit said to me a few times. Nobody gives a fuck what personal issues I might be dealing with, they only care if they job gets done and if they are making money. It's too bad Martin has personal issues, but he can't expect everyone to treat him with kid gloves.
I remember you saying something about studying finance. In your job, if you are losing money for your clients and the company you work for, you will feel the wrath of your bosses and the clients. They would probably say fucked up shit to you if that happened. In most businesses, you have to earn respect and prove you are worthy. Martin had not done that. He has the right to quit, but he needs to take a long look in the mirror. I think it is very likely that he has had some fucked up things happen to him, but I don't agree that he is doing the right thing or handling this well. Sorry for the TL,DR post. I didn't mean for this post to be so long, but I have been intrigued by this situation and trying to analyze it.
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Not that he would give a fuck, but I'm backing Collegedoog on this. Disregarding whether Incognito is racist or not, it's hard to defend fucking with a guy's income. And to everyone claiming that Martin should've punched that fat fuck in his face, how would that have solved anything in the locker room? Oh, and I'm not buying that one of Harboughghssghshs linemen was fucking soft.RoadDawg55 said:
There is a lot to debate in your post, and I don't think you are entirely wrong, but I think Martin deserves some of the blame, and while Incognito is a terrible person, he is becoming a scapegoat in all of this. Obviously, Incognito put this on himself by using racist language, but Martin handled this wrong.CollegeDoog said:
You're really buying in to the smearing campaign against Martin. It's hearsay in my opinion. None of what you described in your 1st paragraph makes anything about what Incognito did and the overall locker room culture OK. They are simply excuses for putrid behavior and a lack of sensitivity. Call me a pussy for saying sensitivity, but whatever. Martin was dealing with personal issues that were exploited by Incognito and others. That is not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.RoadDawg55 said:
Says his college teammate. Why is there not one Dolphin that is sticking up for Martin? These are the guys who are there every day. Why was Martin laughing about the voice message with teammates until he snapped and used it against Incognito? Mike Pouncey said today that Martin has threatened to quit many times before this incident. Other teammates said Incognito treated Martin no different than any other lineman. Another player said they pulled the "Mean Girls" prank on many other players and even on Coach Philbin. Once again, it was not unique to just Martin.CollegeDoog said:
“There are some people saying that Jonathan Martin is soft. For anybody to say he can’t handle it is really disappointing to me, and it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense.”RoadDawg55 said:Sorry to keep adding links, but stop making Martin out to be a martyr. Not a single guy has stood up for him. According to Brian Hartline, Martin was passing around the voicemail and laughing about it.
I feel bad that Martin was suffering, but he pulled some bullshit and ran instead of doing anything about it. Hopefully he gets some money from a lawsuit (debatable) because no team is going to put up with this shit for a tackle who wasn't even any good.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
-Doug Baldwin
The culture of the NFL is wrong and meatheadish. A lot of these guys are not very smart. I don't think it is right for veterans to make rookies foot large dinner bills, pay for trips, etc. It wasn't just Martin that had to do that though. Martin did not fit in and probably wasn't meant to play in the NFL. I don't think everyone is cut out for it. Martin was a disaster at LT and probably could not take coaches screaming at him and other lineman making fun of him for fucking up. They fucked with him because they knew they could.
Read what Baldwin said again. "it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense." Like Sven said, the NFL is a business. We can't excuse these actions as a symptom of "meathead culture". These guys are professionals. The culture that tolerates this behavior needs to change.
None of this has to do with Martin being "soft". It's just as likely that he's a professional who was tired of dealing with bullshit. Confronting it would've been useless. The only alternative was to remove himself from the situation.
I urge you to read your last three sentences again after reading my post. The problem should not be that he isn't "cut out" for the contemporary locker room culture. The problem is the culture itself. The culture that allowed this to persist.
Sven point about it being a business is a valid one, but it is also not your typical business. These guys are encouraged to fuck guys up on the field. In a way, they are modern day gladiators. Some guys are able to turn that off once they step off the field, and others aren't.
On the flip side, in any business you have to be able to deal with pressure and scrutiny. It sounds like Martin could not. He was playing terribly and had recently lost his job as LT before the incident. In a business, when you are not performing, your bosses and co workers are not going to be friendly with you. I think part of it was Martin could not handle getting yelled at by his coaches and ridiculed by his teammates for playing like shit. Coaches in high school football yell and demean players. It multiplies the higher level you play at.
In my job, I have been yelled at for fucking shit up, I have been blamed for shit that wasn't my fault, and I have had really fucked up shit said to me a few times. Nobody gives a fuck what personal issues I might be dealing with, they only care if they job gets done and if they are making money. It's too bad Martin has personal issues, but he can't expect everyone to treat him with kid gloves.
I remember you saying something about studying finance. In your job, if you are losing money for your clients and the company you work for, you will feel the wrath of your bosses and the clients. They would probably say fucked up shit to you if that happened. In most businesses, you have to earn respect and prove you are worthy. Martin had not done that. He has the right to quit, but he needs to take a long look in the mirror. I think it is very likely that he has had some fucked up things happen to him, but I don't agree that he is doing the right thing or handling this well. Sorry for the TL,DR post. I didn't mean for this post to be so long, but I have been intrigued by this situation and trying to analyze it. -
I agree, but that happened to a lot more people than Martin. And yes, a lineman under Harbaugh could be soft. There are soft guys at all schools, including Alabama. Some guys are talented enough that it doesn't get noticed.doogsinparadise said:
Not that he would give a fuck, but I'm backing Collegedoog on this. Disregarding whether Incognito is racist or not, it's hard to defend fucking with a guy's income. And to everyone claiming that Martin should've punched that fat fuck in his face, how would that have solved anything in the locker room? Oh, and I'm not buying that one of Harboughghssghshs linemen was fucking soft.RoadDawg55 said:
There is a lot to debate in your post, and I don't think you are entirely wrong, but I think Martin deserves some of the blame, and while Incognito is a terrible person, he is becoming a scapegoat in all of this. Obviously, Incognito put this on himself by using racist language, but Martin handled this wrong.CollegeDoog said:
You're really buying in to the smearing campaign against Martin. It's hearsay in my opinion. None of what you described in your 1st paragraph makes anything about what Incognito did and the overall locker room culture OK. They are simply excuses for putrid behavior and a lack of sensitivity. Call me a pussy for saying sensitivity, but whatever. Martin was dealing with personal issues that were exploited by Incognito and others. That is not acceptable in any way, shape, or form.RoadDawg55 said:
Says his college teammate. Why is there not one Dolphin that is sticking up for Martin? These are the guys who are there every day. Why was Martin laughing about the voice message with teammates until he snapped and used it against Incognito? Mike Pouncey said today that Martin has threatened to quit many times before this incident. Other teammates said Incognito treated Martin no different than any other lineman. Another player said they pulled the "Mean Girls" prank on many other players and even on Coach Philbin. Once again, it was not unique to just Martin.CollegeDoog said:
“There are some people saying that Jonathan Martin is soft. For anybody to say he can’t handle it is really disappointing to me, and it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense.”RoadDawg55 said:Sorry to keep adding links, but stop making Martin out to be a martyr. Not a single guy has stood up for him. According to Brian Hartline, Martin was passing around the voicemail and laughing about it.
I feel bad that Martin was suffering, but he pulled some bullshit and ran instead of doing anything about it. Hopefully he gets some money from a lawsuit (debatable) because no team is going to put up with this shit for a tackle who wasn't even any good.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-richie-incognito/?sct=hp_t2_a1&eref=sihp
-Doug Baldwin
The culture of the NFL is wrong and meatheadish. A lot of these guys are not very smart. I don't think it is right for veterans to make rookies foot large dinner bills, pay for trips, etc. It wasn't just Martin that had to do that though. Martin did not fit in and probably wasn't meant to play in the NFL. I don't think everyone is cut out for it. Martin was a disaster at LT and probably could not take coaches screaming at him and other lineman making fun of him for fucking up. They fucked with him because they knew they could.
Read what Baldwin said again. "it’s disappointing that our society even has to question it. It’s pathetic to me. We need to look at these things logically and with common sense." Like Sven said, the NFL is a business. We can't excuse these actions as a symptom of "meathead culture". These guys are professionals. The culture that tolerates this behavior needs to change.
None of this has to do with Martin being "soft". It's just as likely that he's a professional who was tired of dealing with bullshit. Confronting it would've been useless. The only alternative was to remove himself from the situation.
I urge you to read your last three sentences again after reading my post. The problem should not be that he isn't "cut out" for the contemporary locker room culture. The problem is the culture itself. The culture that allowed this to persist.
Sven point about it being a business is a valid one, but it is also not your typical business. These guys are encouraged to fuck guys up on the field. In a way, they are modern day gladiators. Some guys are able to turn that off once they step off the field, and others aren't.
On the flip side, in any business you have to be able to deal with pressure and scrutiny. It sounds like Martin could not. He was playing terribly and had recently lost his job as LT before the incident. In a business, when you are not performing, your bosses and co workers are not going to be friendly with you. I think part of it was Martin could not handle getting yelled at by his coaches and ridiculed by his teammates for playing like shit. Coaches in high school football yell and demean players. It multiplies the higher level you play at.
In my job, I have been yelled at for fucking shit up, I have been blamed for shit that wasn't my fault, and I have had really fucked up shit said to me a few times. Nobody gives a fuck what personal issues I might be dealing with, they only care if they job gets done and if they are making money. It's too bad Martin has personal issues, but he can't expect everyone to treat him with kid gloves.
I remember you saying something about studying finance. In your job, if you are losing money for your clients and the company you work for, you will feel the wrath of your bosses and the clients. They would probably say fucked up shit to you if that happened. In most businesses, you have to earn respect and prove you are worthy. Martin had not done that. He has the right to quit, but he needs to take a long look in the mirror. I think it is very likely that he has had some fucked up things happen to him, but I don't agree that he is doing the right thing or handling this well. Sorry for the TL,DR post. I didn't mean for this post to be so long, but I have been intrigued by this situation and trying to analyze it.
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I had saying for months philbin is a shit coach this was the cherry on top.
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I like to say a story transcends sports.
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Stop playing checkers up in this bitch.TheKobeStopper said:
Just so we are clear, did your daughter punch that kid because he called her a nigger or because she had spent time with a single mom? Was it racism or not having her dad around?RaceBannon said:I think as a culture we have given way too much power to words. That's a big part of our internet trolling, to demystify and take the power away from unclassy and horrible speech. My two parents always told me sticks and stones could break my bones but words could never hurt me.
Of course words can be hurtful but the point is to not be a pussy about it and to break some fucking bones if need be in return.
We told our kids, who had been partially raised by a single mom, but at this point two parents, well one and a half because I was a shitty dad, that if someone called them a nigger that person was the fuck head and who cares what some fuck head thinks.
We got called to our daughter's middle school and were told she was being suspended for punching a boy. We asked why and the boy had called her a nigger. I told the school that it sounds like they resolved the issue and neither one should get in trouble. They ended up agreeing with me.
We always felt there were far more damaging instances of racism than words, and we taught that there is no excuse for not succeeding and that sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt you.
America is pussy land. I blame facebook.
Where Incognito crossed the line was his actions, not his words. In a locker room you can call fellow players all sorts of shit that the world would find shocking and offensive. Its not unlike this board -
Martin drives a Prius.
Case closed.
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