TSiO Episode #42: We Lost to Stanford; Why Nothing has Changed With Us

AEB

I had a long winded analysis all ready to post, but @Dennis_DeYoung gave away the punchline: Pete needs to evaluate himself honestly, take a little humble pie, and make the appropriate changes.

I LOVE his management, the player development is great, but there’s an arrogance of program not purpose that limits our upside.

There were hints early, not going for it on 4th down against Oregon for example, that signaled the process was paramount.

At the start of the year, we had a poll asking whether we were just happy to be here or were you all in for winning now after one year. I was just happy to be here after 15 years, but that would last just 1 more year. Well, TSIO. Win.

Tequilla

AEB said:

Tequilla said:

AEB said:

Explosive plays are the result of talent not scheme.

If you believe that then you are an idiot ... both is the unicorn ... scheme can help hide talent

Scheme takes you only so far.

When you play real teams, and we’ve seen this over and over, our scheme doesn’t hide our holes. Our lack of talent is exploited. The fact that our inability to generate explosive plays (in the passing game especially) due to the lack of explosive talent is repeatedly exposed.

I’m happily an idiot if this is some how wrong. I don’t aspire to be OK St.

Scheme by itself doesn’t trump talent ... never claimed as much

But our talent isn’t dog shit and quality scheme + plan + identity can go a long way (at least in the P12) ...

If you go back to the Semi’s last year against Alabama ... we did a lot of good things with scheme early in the game that earned us a TD and we were driving again until Ross fumbled. Then the scheme was gone and we were generally clueless.

Nobody is questioning needing to up the talent level nationally ... but we definitely need to increase our scheme as well because Smith is not getting the most out of what we have to work with ... and that’s scheme in a nutshell

dtd

Hey, free pub!

animate

I had a stats prof that would absolutely go bonkers with the same way people try to misrepresent information.

His example was being told some stupid stat like "when the Vancouver Canucks are leading going into the third period theynwin 62.5% of the time!"

As Dennis would say "motherfucker! Of course they would win the majority of the time because if you're leading into the 3rd. That means you're either a better team or you're doing something right!"

RaceBannon

Coaches ARE stubborn but not always in the areas we want them to be stubborn

Edwin_Bambino

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Baseman

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Of the currently healthy, name names outside of Vea, Gaines, and maybe Taylor Rapp and Gaskin, who would start for Miami.

Tequilla

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Massive hyperbole just doesn’t sound like something that Pepsi and DDY would ever do

CokeGreaterThanPepsi

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Who you got as the fourth?

Tequilla

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Who you got as the fourth?

Ryan Bowman

Doog_de_Jour

A couple things:

1) As traumatic as it was to relive the NASCAR truck race the Stanford game, this was another chinsightful and very funny pod. Thank you.

2) My all time favorite WiFi network name: “FBI Surveillance Van”

3) For whatever reason I’ve never had any luck with Grindr

Tequilla

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Guys that I feel confident that would start for Miami (in no particular order):

1) Dante Pettis
2) Trey Adams
3) Coleman Shelton
4) Myles Gaskin
5) Vita Vea
6) Greg Gaines
7) Jordan Miller
8) Taylor Rapp

RoadDawg55

Tequilla said:

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Guys that I feel confident that would start for Miami (in no particular order):

1) Dante Pettis
2) Trey Adams
3) Coleman Shelton
4) Myles Gaskin
5) Vita Vea
6) Greg Gaines
7) Jordan Miller
8) Taylor Rapp

There are a few others who would at least play. McGary, Bierria, Dissly, Ahmed (he would probably be used better too), Jaylen Johnson.

Miami isn’t that good. They squeaked out wins all year and are peaking now.

That’s the TBS obsession coming through after a loss.

All that being said, Jake Browning sucks.

Tequilla

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Guys that I feel confident that would start for Miami (in no particular order):

1) Dante Pettis
2) Trey Adams
3) Coleman Shelton
4) Myles Gaskin
5) Vita Vea
6) Greg Gaines
7) Jordan Miller
8) Taylor Rapp

There are a few others who would at least play. McGary, Bierria, Dissly, Ahmed (he would probably be used better too), Jaylen Johnson.

Miami isn’t that good. They squeaked out wins all year and are peaking now.

That’s the TBS obsession coming through after a loss.

All that being said, Jake Browning sucks.

Agree ... I was trying to be a little bit conservative in my callouts given that I haven't watched a ton of Miami this year ... although definitely fair to say that they are hitting their stride right now.

Agree that McGary would likely play ... may be sliding inside though for Miami.

All the other guys you mentioned would likely be in the rotation. Hunter Bryant for sure would be in that category as well. I'd also say that you could definitely make an argument for Byron Murphy playing.

If Mark Walton was healthy, I think he'd play over Gaskin. But Gaskin likely would be ahead of Homer.

Anybody that thinks that we're that far away from being nationally relevant is going off of pure emotion and not thinking it through.

That being said, Jake Browning sucks and we can't compete at that level without a high end QB that has some big balls.

RoadDawg55

Tequilla said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Guys that I feel confident that would start for Miami (in no particular order):

1) Dante Pettis
2) Trey Adams
3) Coleman Shelton
4) Myles Gaskin
5) Vita Vea
6) Greg Gaines
7) Jordan Miller
8) Taylor Rapp

There are a few others who would at least play. McGary, Bierria, Dissly, Ahmed (he would probably be used better too), Jaylen Johnson.

Miami isn’t that good. They squeaked out wins all year and are peaking now.

That’s the TBS obsession coming through after a loss.

All that being said, Jake Browning sucks.

Agree ... I was trying to be a little bit conservative in my callouts given that I haven't watched a ton of Miami this year ... although definitely fair to say that they are hitting their stride right now.

Agree that McGary would likely play ... may be sliding inside though for Miami.

All the other guys you mentioned would likely be in the rotation. Hunter Bryant for sure would be in that category as well. I'd also say that you could definitely make an argument for Byron Murphy playing.

If Mark Walton was healthy, I think he'd play over Gaskin. But Gaskin likely would be ahead of Homer.

Anybody that thinks that we're that far away from being nationally relevant is going off of pure emotion and not thinking it through.

That being said, Jake Browning sucks and we can't compete at that level without a high end QB that has some big balls.

Wow, I completely agree with you. More talent is always welcome and needed. That said, we are right there near the top with a grown man at QB. We have had bad luck with injuries too, although more talent helps mitigate those issues.

Tequilla

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Guys that I feel confident that would start for Miami (in no particular order):

1) Dante Pettis
2) Trey Adams
3) Coleman Shelton
4) Myles Gaskin
5) Vita Vea
6) Greg Gaines
7) Jordan Miller
8) Taylor Rapp

There are a few others who would at least play. McGary, Bierria, Dissly, Ahmed (he would probably be used better too), Jaylen Johnson.

Miami isn’t that good. They squeaked out wins all year and are peaking now.

That’s the TBS obsession coming through after a loss.

All that being said, Jake Browning sucks.

Agree ... I was trying to be a little bit conservative in my callouts given that I haven't watched a ton of Miami this year ... although definitely fair to say that they are hitting their stride right now.

Agree that McGary would likely play ... may be sliding inside though for Miami.

All the other guys you mentioned would likely be in the rotation. Hunter Bryant for sure would be in that category as well. I'd also say that you could definitely make an argument for Byron Murphy playing.

If Mark Walton was healthy, I think he'd play over Gaskin. But Gaskin likely would be ahead of Homer.

Anybody that thinks that we're that far away from being nationally relevant is going off of pure emotion and not thinking it through.

That being said, Jake Browning sucks and we can't compete at that level without a high end QB that has some big balls.

Wow, I completely agree with you. More talent is always welcome and needed. That said, we are right there near the top with a grown man at QB. We have had bad luck with injuries too, although more talent helps mitigate those issues.

The reality is that injuries happen and to me what they mean is that they reduce your margin for error ...

Think about how this season has played out with the losses and where the margins are.

Honestly, when you break it all down ... this team is 10-0 right now with some very small tweaks:

1) An offensive identity (terrible game plans and adjustments in both games)

2) Some nominal offseason growth from Browning (shit his pants when things weren't going well in both games)

3) Reliable FG kicking (ASU game was the bed shitting of all bed shittings but lack of trust showed at Stanford)

This still isn't a national caliber team (likely won't be for 2-3 years as it's hard to see it with Browning at this point) ... but there's really no excuse for not winning the North this year even with the injuries.

Tequilla

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

Edwin_Bambino said:

I love the pod but Jesus this Stanford loss has fucked you guys up. Miami is better and much cooler and blacker than us but saying only two or three kids on our team would start for Miami is absurd. Yank the turnover chain out of your ass.

Guys that I feel confident that would start for Miami (in no particular order):

1) Dante Pettis
2) Trey Adams
3) Coleman Shelton
4) Myles Gaskin
5) Vita Vea
6) Greg Gaines
7) Jordan Miller
8) Taylor Rapp

There are a few others who would at least play. McGary, Bierria, Dissly, Ahmed (he would probably be used better too), Jaylen Johnson.

Miami isn’t that good. They squeaked out wins all year and are peaking now.

That’s the TBS obsession coming through after a loss.

All that being said, Jake Browning sucks.

Agree ... I was trying to be a little bit conservative in my callouts given that I haven't watched a ton of Miami this year ... although definitely fair to say that they are hitting their stride right now.

Agree that McGary would likely play ... may be sliding inside though for Miami.

All the other guys you mentioned would likely be in the rotation. Hunter Bryant for sure would be in that category as well. I'd also say that you could definitely make an argument for Byron Murphy playing.

If Mark Walton was healthy, I think he'd play over Gaskin. But Gaskin likely would be ahead of Homer.

Anybody that thinks that we're that far away from being nationally relevant is going off of pure emotion and not thinking it through.

That being said, Jake Browning sucks and we can't compete at that level without a high end QB that has some big balls.

Wow, I completely agree with you. More talent is always welcome and needed. That said, we are right there near the top with a grown man at QB. We have had bad luck with injuries too, although more talent helps mitigate those issues.

True ... we don't always agree. That being said, we probably agree more than we don't when you take the messenger aspect out of the equation.

DeepSeaZ

WTF? I guess we can't expect to have haikus in this economy.

BaldwinIV

DeepSeaZ said:

WTF? I guess we can't expect to have haikus in this economy.

yeah the haikus are what put it over the top

not looking good

Dennis_DeYoung

Vea, Rapp and Gaines would start. Others would play. But that’s 3/11. On offense it’s likely less.

89ute

Thanks for the shout out.

Fuck you for the immediate "you don't belong in the Pac-12" bullshit.

You fuckers just lapped up one of our Poly jag queefs.

dtd

I listened to that entire thing and I get bored jerking off.

Pitchfork51

89ute said:

Thanks for the shout out.

Fuck you for the immediate "you don't belong in the Pac-12" bullshit.

You fuckers just lapped up one of our Poly jag queefs.

89ute said:

Thanks for the shout out.

Fuck you for the immediate "you don't belong in the Pac-12" bullshit.

You fuckers just lapped up one of our Poly jag queefs.

You don't

Utah was a mistake

RaceBannon

So were the Arizona schools

BaldwinIV

WSU?

Pitchfork51

RaceBannon said:

So were the Arizona schools

Yet year after year.....

dtd

Doog_de_Jour said:

A couple things:

1) As traumatic as it was to relive the NASCAR truck race the Stanford game, this was another chinsightful and very funny pod. Thank you.

2) My all time favorite WiFi network name: “FBI Surveillance Van”

3) For whatever reason I’ve never had any luck with Grindr

heart a good strikethrough

dtd

dtd said:

Doog_de_Jour said:

A couple things:

1) As traumatic as it was to relive the NASCAR truck race the Stanford game, this was another chinsightful and very funny pod. Thank you.

2) My all time favorite WiFi network name: “FBI Surveillance Van”

3) For whatever reason I’ve never had any luck with Grindr

heart a good strikethrough cock in my mouth

RaceBannon

Pitchfork51 said:

RaceBannon said:

So were the Arizona schools

Yet year after year.....

ASU 2 titles in 40 years

Arizona 0 titles in 40 years

Year after year

Pitchfork51

RaceBannon said:

Pitchfork51 said:

RaceBannon said:

So were the Arizona schools

Yet year after year.....

ASU 2 titles in 40 years

Arizona 0 titles in 40 years

Year after year

You lose every year is what I'm going for