How far do you gun grabbers want to go?

RaceBannon

Violent video games that show realistic mass murder at the hands of your joy stick?

Violent movies?

Porn?

All these are linked to violence. Just like guns. Young minds of mush are very impressionable. We get desensitized to violence. Life is cheap.

How about mass surveillance to stop crime? Pre crime enforcement?

The left loves to quote about how those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither when it suits them. That was Ben Franklin by the way hondoFS

But when it comes to guns they gots to go, If you wonder why nobody trusts you that's why.

And I'll save you the trouble. There are right wingers who would ban my opening items as well as rap music and rock who are pro gun.

I'll take freedom.

HuskyJW

I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes, AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.

RaceBannon

HuskyJW said:

I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes, AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.

Classy post

HuskyJW

RaceBannon said:

HuskyJW said:

I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes, AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.

Classy post

My dad is from North Platte.

YellowSnow

TierbsHsotBoobs

Pussy grabbers > gun grabbers

YellowSnow

Race, as always, you do a solid job of playing devil's advocate...

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

Look, I'm under no allusion that confiscating every semi automatic and/or high capacity firearm would make a huge overall dent in the number of gun deaths per year (most are from handguns anyhow) but what we got here right now ain't working. There are too many guns in circulation and the rules are way too loose. Remember, most of the population are dip shits. I'll admit, we're never going to get to, say, UK levels of gun homicides (i.e., 60 per year in a country of 60 million) for any number of reasons, but we could save a hell of a lot lives.

All of the other Western Industrialized Nations have the same violent movies, video games, porn, etc., but w/o the volume of death from guns. Is a Japanese or Scotsman is somehow less free than ourselves simply because they don't have the guns? In some ways those folks, have more Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness than ourselves.

CuntWaffle

HuskyJW said:

I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes, AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.

Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.

Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man.

Swaye

CuntWaffle said:

HuskyJW said:

I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes, AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.

Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.

Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man.

Do all this in a Crossfit t-shirt to hit mega-douche status.

AZDuck

I am generally pro-pornography. Are you knew hear?

PurpleThrobber

AZDuck said:

I am generally pro-pornography. Are you knew hear?

I need a ruling here. YKW.

Skating in the gray zone.

GrundleStiltzkin

YellowSnow said:

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.

HuskyJW

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.

Highlight...copy....paste....save.

RaceBannon

YellowSnow said:

Race, as always, you do a solid job of playing devil's advocate...

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

Look, I'm under no allusion that confiscating every semi automatic and/or high capacity firearm would make a huge overall dent in the number of gun deaths per year (most are from handguns anyhow) but what we got here right now ain't working. There are too many guns in circulation and the rules are way too loose. Remember, most of the population are dip shits. I'll admit, we're never going to get to, say, UK levels of gun homicides (i.e., 60 per year in a country of 60 million) for any number of reasons, but we could save a hell of a lot lives.

All of the other Western Industrialized Nations have the same violent movies, video games, porn, etc., but w/o the volume of death from guns. Is a Japanese or Scotsman is somehow less free than ourselves simply because they don't have the guns? In some ways those folks, have more Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness than ourselves.

You'll have as much luck confiscating guns as we do confiscating drugs. Violence will increase not decrease.

If you want something effective that isn't the right to trample on. Pre crime and profiling are much more effective..

the old white dude who did LV was an obvious nut bag. But we had to wait for 59 to die before we could act.

I don't give a fuck about other countries and japan isn't free because they are our bitch

TierbsHsotBoobs

Swaye said:

CuntWaffle said:

HuskyJW said:

I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes, AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.

Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.

Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man.

Do all this in a Crossfit t-shirt to hit mega-douche status.

FREE PUB for @MikeDamone

RaceBannon

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

Swaye said:

CuntWaffle said:

HuskyJW said:

I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes, AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.

Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.

Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man.

Do all this in a Crossfit t-shirt to hit mega-douche status.

FREE PUB for @MikeDamone

No love for ballbag?

YellowSnow

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.

Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.

YellowSnow

RaceBannon said:

YellowSnow said:

Race, as always, you do a solid job of playing devil's advocate...

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

Look, I'm under no allusion that confiscating every semi automatic and/or high capacity firearm would make a huge overall dent in the number of gun deaths per year (most are from handguns anyhow) but what we got here right now ain't working. There are too many guns in circulation and the rules are way too loose. Remember, most of the population are dip shits. I'll admit, we're never going to get to, say, UK levels of gun homicides (i.e., 60 per year in a country of 60 million) for any number of reasons, but we could save a hell of a lot lives.

All of the other Western Industrialized Nations have the same violent movies, video games, porn, etc., but w/o the volume of death from guns. Is a Japanese or Scotsman is somehow less free than ourselves simply because they don't have the guns? In some ways those folks, have more Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness than ourselves.

You'll have as much luck confiscating guns as we do confiscating drugs. Violence will increase not decrease.

If you want something effective that isn't the right to trample on. Pre crime and profiling are much more effective..

the old white dude who did LV was an obvious nut bag. But we had to wait for 59 to die before we could act.

I don't give a fuck about other countries and japan isn't free because they are our bitch

We? could have made it a lot fucking harder for the nut job to pull off that number. And let's not forget the impact on the nation's psyche and all the other related costs from mass killings vs 59 single homicides happening over the course of a year in a major US city. Not all deaths are equal in this respect.

You are right on Japan when it comes to foreign policy; they are not an independent country in this regard.

2001400ex

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.

Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.

Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.

YellowSnow

2001400ex said:

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.

Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.

Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.

GrundleStiltzkin

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).

2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.

Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.

Was responding solely to your value of infringed rights. Sadly, in a country as large as ours(?), death, mayhem and evil must be reduced to statistics and probabilities at some point. When something becomes a national policy discussion, it must be evaluated at a national scale.