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JT Tuimoloau, 5* 2021 DL, Bellevue (Eastside Catholic), WA (Offered 9/22/17)

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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,148
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    Baseman said:

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    We? Sounds ominous. We?’s are vulnerable to bags.
    If a bag is needed, my phone line is open. For JTT, I can make it happen.
    #AMC, right?
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    Baseman said:

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    We? Sounds ominous. We?’s are vulnerable to bags.
    If a bag is needed, my phone line is open. For JTT, I can make it happen.
    I don’t know man, isn’t your crypto bag half the size it was?
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    Baseman said:

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    We? Sounds ominous. We?’s are vulnerable to bags.
    I see where you’re going and it’s always a valid concern

    Simplistic view could be as simple as being representative of taking the entire relationship and showing that they’ve been paying attention and that it’s more than just the football field
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    QuietcowskeeQuietcowskee Member Posts: 3,174
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    Hopefully the “bag” thing doesn’t mean as much with NIL forthcoming. Who wants to pay him $50,000 to mow their lawn?
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    FremontTrollFremontTroll Member Posts: 4,732
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    Emoterman said:

    Best guess is

    UW or Ohio State. Papa Tui is pushing OSU.

    Is it some sort of obligation for Samoan parents/families to take over their kid's recruitment? Marlon, Togiai, Kaho, Tootoo, and now JTT? In a just world, every single one of these players would be Dawgs. Sick of this shit. If you can't beat em, join em.
    To keep positive, I just always assume for every kid that has a parent or family member who makes them go somewhere else when it seems they actually want to go to UW, there's probably a kid who wanted to go somewhere else whose parents made him go to UW. I can think of a few specific standout players who come to mind.

    Is there anything substantial to show JT is still seriously considering UW or is it just speculation because the longer this drags out and the longer he can't visit Ohio State, the more staying home or going to Oregon makes sense?
    If these recruitments were on the level, that would be a fair argument, but these kids are clearly spurning UW for nefarious reasons. It's been proven in Marlon's and Tootoo's case. And we know Kaho and Togiai likely got Dodge Chargers or some shit. Fuck, man. Drives me crazy.
    I roll my eyes every time a TBSer shits on a coach for losing a prospect because, "It's sales°." If I'm bidding against a competitor, and the competitor says, "I'll pay you to do the job!" No amount of sales or awesomeness is going to overcome that.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Sales" has little to do with it. Sure, being likeable and giving a shit/working hard to stay in communication with a PSA and make him feel important helps, but that's baseline shit, and I have a hard time believing that there's any coach that doesn't at least make a half assed effort at this. Which is to say the difference between the best recruiter in the country an the worst when it comes to pure "salesmanship" is WAY smaller than the difference between one school and another in terms of benefits--both on the level and not.

    There are simply players/families who will take the biggest bag. We all know that programs that are offering the biggest bags. There are players who want to chase rings. There are players who want to play for a name brand. There are players who want to play close to home (Dads won't fly).

    Which is why, honestly, I'm not as conspiratorial now as I used to be. With JTT, for instance, I don't at all immediately jump to the "he's taking a bag" conclusion. Say what you will about Petersen's offense or lack of motivation/success at the end, but he was a brand that was trusted. When a hometown kid passed that up to go to the likes of OSU, that's suspicious. Not knocking Lake necessarily, but UW does now have a first time head coach with no such national cachet. It's a lot more understandable now that a PSA would want to take a safer bed than rolling the dice with the new guy. If Lake starts stacking conference titles and winning decent bowl games (Narrator: "He won't...") and this kind of recruiting loss keeps happening, I'll go back to being awfully cynical.

    UW is coming off a 4-5 conference record and a 3-1 season full of embarrassing play and a loss to a team fresh from the Denny's parking lot. That's not a "get the local 5-star to stay home" resume. It's that simple to me.
    I've heard too many coaches say, verbatim, "I hate recruiting" to agree with your premise even one bit.

    There are a lot of coaches who apparently believe their job is to move players towards some platonic concept of "better football players" and have their teams execute more coherently towards a goal of playing some platonically more elegant football. That sentence is so verbose because these coaches overlook the fact that their job is, precisely and exclusively, to win; at least at any coaching position that pays more than $30k/year. And somehow this is so culturally ingrained as what defines coaching success that some "good coaches" are allowed to fail at a crucial component of their jobs.

    It is virtually a tautology that programs that embrace recruiting as central to their success, and don't settle for inferior results and enthusiasm at recruiting, will recruit better. Fuck, they'll recruit boosters and their McDonald's bags more capably. They won't settle for having objections that can't be overcome, they'll recruit the university to eliminate those weaknesses.

    If you work in sales, you know that you can get someone to pay you more for the same services; in fact that's precisely and exclusively your job. If you're just selling people based on price, a cardboard cutout could do that.
    You mean shitty recruiters like Nick Saban? Because I've heard him say exactly that.

    Hang out around me long enough, you'll hear me say I hate my job, too, yet I'm damned good at it. What asshole gets up in the morning with a smile and a boner because he knows that his day is going to be filled by figuratively sucking off 16-18 year old boys, their parents, their coaches, and their entourages all day? Who thinks the highlight of his day is hanging out on fucking Twitter with a bunch of teenagers? You know which coaches hate recruiting? ALL OF THEM. Because you'd have to be insane not to. So I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there.

    Otherwise, you're suggesting that it's somehow a coach's fault that his school's boosters pay two orders of magnitudes less to potential recruits or are far less brazen about it? That part of a coach's job is to go out there into the community, find rich and people, and say, "Hey! Our players aren't getting paid enough! What's wrong with you people!? We're falling behind!"? When one school has a sugar daddy who happens to own the largest sports apparel brand in the world, it's the rival school's coach's responsibility to, what, convince an even richer guy to start up a bigger, richer, cooler sports apparel company and become his school's sugar daddy?

    All I'm trying to say is this: For a certain subset of recruits, they will chase the biggest bag ("bag" in the form of promises, direct payments, favors to family, etc.). There is NO sales pitch that will flip that table. So wanting your coach to be a better "salesman" in that arena is simply wanting them to match to the promised benefits. If that is what it is, that is what it is. There is a subset of recruits that want to play on a team that's loaded for championships/big games on TV/NFL scouts/etc. They want 100K in the stands for a non-con against Southeast Alaska U. They want to play around amazing players that are going to make them look better. There is NO sales pitch that is going to convince one of these kids if they have an Alabama offer that's serious. There are kids who want a Stanford diploma no matter what. There are kids who dreamed of playing for Team X since they were five. There are kids who want to be fifth generation School Y.

    There are so many reasons for a player to choose a school that it's laughable to me the emphasis here on pure "sales," like Alec Baldwin can just step in with his brass balls, and suddenly UW has the #1 class and is romping through the playoffs. Being a good "salesman" helps you beat out Utah for a low-4-star out of Bozeman. It doesn't land you the #1 player in the class.

    8-5 to 3-1 with a head coach who's coached four games. We're only talking about this particular kid because he happens to live in town. That's not a lack of "sales."

    Baseman said:

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    We? Sounds ominous. We?’s are vulnerable to bags.
    If a bag is needed, my phone line is open. For JTT, I can make it happen.
    I don’t know man, isn’t your crypto bag half the size it was?
    He claimed to have sold his imaginary bags of crypto for real estate long ago.
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    Hey you jock sniffers. Let’s not run him again. I don’t care if he bats .500 or even .250. He’s not any of those doogman fucks and doesn’t have a shriveled hairy upper lip.

    We have far more worthless and annoying fucks here. Go run one of them, not suggestion you run me.

    I like to pretend he’s our? Insider, that’s what I like to do.

    Don’t ruin this for me.


    Dirtysoutha… Dirtysoutha.
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    sonics1993sonics1993 Member Posts: 1,460
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    Emoterman said:

    Best guess is

    UW or Ohio State. Papa Tui is pushing OSU.

    Is it some sort of obligation for Samoan parents/families to take over their kid's recruitment? Marlon, Togiai, Kaho, Tootoo, and now JTT? In a just world, every single one of these players would be Dawgs. Sick of this shit. If you can't beat em, join em.
    To keep positive, I just always assume for every kid that has a parent or family member who makes them go somewhere else when it seems they actually want to go to UW, there's probably a kid who wanted to go somewhere else whose parents made him go to UW. I can think of a few specific standout players who come to mind.

    Is there anything substantial to show JT is still seriously considering UW or is it just speculation because the longer this drags out and the longer he can't visit Ohio State, the more staying home or going to Oregon makes sense?
    If these recruitments were on the level, that would be a fair argument, but these kids are clearly spurning UW for nefarious reasons. It's been proven in Marlon's and Tootoo's case. And we know Kaho and Togiai likely got Dodge Chargers or some shit. Fuck, man. Drives me crazy.
    I roll my eyes every time a TBSer shits on a coach for losing a prospect because, "It's sales°." If I'm bidding against a competitor, and the competitor says, "I'll pay you to do the job!" No amount of sales or awesomeness is going to overcome that.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Sales" has little to do with it. Sure, being likeable and giving a shit/working hard to stay in communication with a PSA and make him feel important helps, but that's baseline shit, and I have a hard time believing that there's any coach that doesn't at least make a half assed effort at this. Which is to say the difference between the best recruiter in the country an the worst when it comes to pure "salesmanship" is WAY smaller than the difference between one school and another in terms of benefits--both on the level and not.

    There are simply players/families who will take the biggest bag. We all know that programs that are offering the biggest bags. There are players who want to chase rings. There are players who want to play for a name brand. There are players who want to play close to home (Dads won't fly).

    Which is why, honestly, I'm not as conspiratorial now as I used to be. With JTT, for instance, I don't at all immediately jump to the "he's taking a bag" conclusion. Say what you will about Petersen's offense or lack of motivation/success at the end, but he was a brand that was trusted. When a hometown kid passed that up to go to the likes of OSU, that's suspicious. Not knocking Lake necessarily, but UW does now have a first time head coach with no such national cachet. It's a lot more understandable now that a PSA would want to take a safer bed than rolling the dice with the new guy. If Lake starts stacking conference titles and winning decent bowl games (Narrator: "He won't...") and this kind of recruiting loss keeps happening, I'll go back to being awfully cynical.

    UW is coming off a 4-5 conference record and a 3-1 season full of embarrassing play and a loss to a team fresh from the Denny's parking lot. That's not a "get the local 5-star to stay home" resume. It's that simple to me.
    I've heard too many coaches say, verbatim, "I hate recruiting" to agree with your premise even one bit.

    There are a lot of coaches who apparently believe their job is to move players towards some platonic concept of "better football players" and have their teams execute more coherently towards a goal of playing some platonically more elegant football. That sentence is so verbose because these coaches overlook the fact that their job is, precisely and exclusively, to win; at least at any coaching position that pays more than $30k/year. And somehow this is so culturally ingrained as what defines coaching success that some "good coaches" are allowed to fail at a crucial component of their jobs.

    It is virtually a tautology that programs that embrace recruiting as central to their success, and don't settle for inferior results and enthusiasm at recruiting, will recruit better. Fuck, they'll recruit boosters and their McDonald's bags more capably. They won't settle for having objections that can't be overcome, they'll recruit the university to eliminate those weaknesses.

    If you work in sales, you know that you can get someone to pay you more for the same services; in fact that's precisely and exclusively your job. If you're just selling people based on price, a cardboard cutout could do that.
    You mean shitty recruiters like Nick Saban? Because I've heard him say exactly that.

    Hang out around me long enough, you'll hear me say I hate my job, too, yet I'm damned good at it. What asshole gets up in the morning with a smile and a boner because he knows that his day is going to be filled by figuratively sucking off 16-18 year old boys, their parents, their coaches, and their entourages all day? Who thinks the highlight of his day is hanging out on fucking Twitter with a bunch of teenagers? You know which coaches hate recruiting? ALL OF THEM. Because you'd have to be insane not to. So I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there.

    Otherwise, you're suggesting that it's somehow a coach's fault that his school's boosters pay two orders of magnitudes less to potential recruits or are far less brazen about it? That part of a coach's job is to go out there into the community, find rich and people, and say, "Hey! Our players aren't getting paid enough! What's wrong with you people!? We're falling behind!"? When one school has a sugar daddy who happens to own the largest sports apparel brand in the world, it's the rival school's coach's responsibility to, what, convince an even richer guy to start up a bigger, richer, cooler sports apparel company and become his school's sugar daddy?

    All I'm trying to say is this: For a certain subset of recruits, they will chase the biggest bag ("bag" in the form of promises, direct payments, favors to family, etc.). There is NO sales pitch that will flip that table. So wanting your coach to be a better "salesman" in that arena is simply wanting them to match to the promised benefits. If that is what it is, that is what it is. There is a subset of recruits that want to play on a team that's loaded for championships/big games on TV/NFL scouts/etc. They want 100K in the stands for a non-con against Southeast Alaska U. They want to play around amazing players that are going to make them look better. There is NO sales pitch that is going to convince one of these kids if they have an Alabama offer that's serious. There are kids who want a Stanford diploma no matter what. There are kids who dreamed of playing for Team X since they were five. There are kids who want to be fifth generation School Y.

    There are so many reasons for a player to choose a school that it's laughable to me the emphasis here on pure "sales," like Alec Baldwin can just step in with his brass balls, and suddenly UW has the #1 class and is romping through the playoffs. Being a good "salesman" helps you beat out Utah for a low-4-star out of Bozeman. It doesn't land you the #1 player in the class.

    8-5 to 3-1 with a head coach who's coached four games. We're only talking about this particular kid because he happens to live in town. That's not a lack of "sales."

    Baseman said:

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    We? Sounds ominous. We?’s are vulnerable to bags.
    If a bag is needed, my phone line is open. For JTT, I can make it happen.
    I don’t know man, isn’t your crypto bag half the size it was?
    He claimed to have sold his imaginary bags of crypto for real estate long ago.
    You're crazy if you think I didn't rebuy after that weekly close above 14k. I know how the crypto cycle works. And those real estate purchases looking great with this housing market.
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    Baseman said:

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    We? Sounds ominous. We?’s are vulnerable to bags.
    If a bag is needed, my phone line is open. For JTT, I can make it happen.
    #AMC, right?
    I got a tip about AMC the day before it broke out but never got my options filled. Would have easily made seven figures. Got to gready with my entries.
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    I’ve had this screenshot since December and with feeding JTT on the agenda menu it’s time to delete it from the screenshot folder.



    JTT: Coach Saban, LA had all this fancy food and I...
    Saban: We have chicken sandwiches and this year I had six first round draft picks.
    JTT: num num num this is a delicious chicken sandwich.

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    This got me thinking. I read that tOSU's entire staff showed up to the airport wearing Hawaiian shirts, leis, and all the other stuff. Of course Coach Pete had his famous Tommy Bahama shirt, but at what point is this pandering insulting to the kid and his parents? Clearly the family realizes that these white hick Ohio football coaches are only wearing this stuff and putting on this obnoxious show for the recruitment of the kid. I mean, if Sonny Sixkiller was being recruited today, surely the coaches wouldn't be showing up in warpaint carrying tomahawks. But really, what's the difference?
    It's cheesy as fuck and I think the recruits would normally agree. They seem to like or at least tolerate it for recruiting though.
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,148
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    I’ve had this screenshot since December and with feeding JTT on the agenda menu it’s time to delete it from the screenshot folder.



    JTT: Coach Saban, LA had all this fancy food and I...
    Saban: We have chicken sandwiches and this year I had six first round draft picks.
    JTT: num num num this is a delicious chicken sandwich.

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    This got me thinking. I read that tOSU's entire staff showed up to the airport wearing Hawaiian shirts, leis, and all the other stuff. Of course Coach Pete had his famous Tommy Bahama shirt, but at what point is this pandering insulting to the kid and his parents? Clearly the family realizes that these white hick Ohio football coaches are only wearing this stuff and putting on this obnoxious show for the recruitment of the kid. I mean, if Sonny Sixkiller was being recruited today, surely the coaches wouldn't be showing up in warpaint carrying tomahawks. But really, what's the difference?
    @Swaye what say you?
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    At what point do the kids just roll their eyes at the shameless pandering? Never?

    This got me thinking. I read that tOSU's entire staff showed up to the airport wearing Hawaiian shirts, leis, and all the other stuff. Of course Coach Pete had his famous Tommy Bahama shirt, but at what point is this pandering insulting to the kid and his parents? Clearly the family realizes that these white hick Ohio football coaches are only wearing this stuff and putting on this obnoxious show for the recruitment of the kid. I mean, if Sonny Sixkiller was being recruited today, surely the coaches wouldn't be showing up in warpaint carrying tomahawks. But really, what's the difference?

    Great bananas think alike.
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    NeGgaPlEaSeNeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,729
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    Swaye said:

    I’ve had this screenshot since December and with feeding JTT on the agenda menu it’s time to delete it from the screenshot folder.



    JTT: Coach Saban, LA had all this fancy food and I...
    Saban: We have chicken sandwiches and this year I had six first round draft picks.
    JTT: num num num this is a delicious chicken sandwich.

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    This got me thinking. I read that tOSU's entire staff showed up to the airport wearing Hawaiian shirts, leis, and all the other stuff. Of course Coach Pete had his famous Tommy Bahama shirt, but at what point is this pandering insulting to the kid and his parents? Clearly the family realizes that these white hick Ohio football coaches are only wearing this stuff and putting on this obnoxious show for the recruitment of the kid. I mean, if Sonny Sixkiller was being recruited today, surely the coaches wouldn't be showing up in warpaint carrying tomahawks. But really, what's the difference?
    @Swaye what say you?
    White slavery is the only solution.


    You know half the people in here caught wood deliverance style
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    Swaye said:

    I’ve had this screenshot since December and with feeding JTT on the agenda menu it’s time to delete it from the screenshot folder.



    JTT: Coach Saban, LA had all this fancy food and I...
    Saban: We have chicken sandwiches and this year I had six first round draft picks.
    JTT: num num num this is a delicious chicken sandwich.

    Interesting move with having media and big gathering at the airport. His family didn't want that at USC, which they made sure not to do. One quote that stood out his trip to Washington was "I would say it was a great trip outside of football too, it was very organized, very well prepared and it showed they really knew us as people, what we liked and what we desired the most, everything was planned, you could tell they mapped us out, knowing what we liked as people, our mindset and vision." And that's what I heard from a couple of people close to him; Washington killed the visit because they understood what he and his family wanted. The visit really impressed the whole family, so curious how OSU plans his visit.

    This got me thinking. I read that tOSU's entire staff showed up to the airport wearing Hawaiian shirts, leis, and all the other stuff. Of course Coach Pete had his famous Tommy Bahama shirt, but at what point is this pandering insulting to the kid and his parents? Clearly the family realizes that these white hick Ohio football coaches are only wearing this stuff and putting on this obnoxious show for the recruitment of the kid. I mean, if Sonny Sixkiller was being recruited today, surely the coaches wouldn't be showing up in warpaint carrying tomahawks. But really, what's the difference?
    @Swaye what say you?
    White slavery is the only solution.


    You know half the people in here caught wood deliverance style
    only half?
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