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SURVEILLANCE: Wiretapping a Presidential Campaign Office - deserves own thread

pawz
pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
edited September 2017 in Tug Tavern
We know HondoFS and Boobs will deny it, but this is Watergate-level stuff.

cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

https://wsj.com/articles/did-obama-know-about-comeys-surveillance-1505852932



The American people deserve to know why a FISA judge allowed a wiretap of a Presidential campaign official and what, if anything, they found. And it sounds like: not much.

We also deserve to know what Obama knew and when he knew it. I'm guessing a surveillance request of this calliber required his approval.

Unseal the documents for the American public, and the world, now.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    I'm totally fine with unsealing the documents around this.

    It's also worth asking what sort of terrible judgment the President had in hiring a guy who was already under FBI chinvestigation.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    edited September 2017

    I'm totally fine with unsealing the documents around this.

    It's also worth asking what sort of terrible judgment the President had in hiring a guy who was already under FBI chinvestigation.

    How was he supposed to know before he was President?

    Manafort wasn't kept around very long after.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    pawz said:

    I'm totally fine with unsealing the documents around this.

    It's also worth asking what sort of terrible judgment the President had in hiring a guy who was already under FBI chinvestigation.

    How was he supposed to know before he was President?

    Manafort wasn't kept around very long after.
    That's a fair question.

    Ideally, someone in the FBI would have chintervened in private.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    I'm totally fine with unsealing the documents around this.

    It's also worth asking what sort of terrible judgment the President had in hiring a guy who was already under FBI chinvestigation.

    How was he supposed to know before he was President?

    Manafort wasn't kept around very long after.
    That's a fair question.

    Ideally, someone in the FBI would have chintervened in private.
    Clearly they did chintervene. It's just that nobody told Trump until March.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    I'm totally fine with unsealing the documents around this.

    It's also worth asking what sort of terrible judgment the President had in hiring a guy who was already under FBI chinvestigation.

    How was he supposed to know before he was President?

    Manafort wasn't kept around very long after.
    That's a fair question.

    Ideally, someone in the FBI would have chintervened in private.
    Clearly they did chintervene. It's just that nobody told Trump until March.
    If only the DOJ and Congress had the ability to investigate, arraign, compel testimony, and bring these scalawags to justice1!1!
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    pawz said:

    We know HondoFS and Boobs will deny it, but this is Watergate-level stuff.

    cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

    https://wsj.com/articles/did-obama-know-about-comeys-surveillance-1505852932



    The American people deserve to know why a FISA judge allowed a wiretap of a Presidential campaign official and what, if anything, they found. And it sounds like: not much.

    We also deserve to know what Obama knew and when he knew it. I'm guessing a surveillance request of this calliber required his approval.

    Unseal the documents for the American public, and the world, now.

    Agree but sounds like you've already made your mind up that it was illegal before any evidence one way or the other has been released. What if there was strong justification?
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    RedRocket said:

    pawz said:

    We know HondoFS and Boobs will deny it, but this is Watergate-level stuff.

    cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

    https://wsj.com/articles/did-obama-know-about-comeys-surveillance-1505852932



    The American people deserve to know why a FISA judge allowed a wiretap of a Presidential campaign official and what, if anything, they found. And it sounds like: not much.

    We also deserve to know what Obama knew and when he knew it. I'm guessing a surveillance request of this calliber required his approval.

    Unseal the documents for the American public, and the world, now.

    Agree but sounds like you've already made your mind up that it was illegal before any evidence one way or the other has been released. What if there was strong justification?
    That's the poont. We, the public, deserve to know now.

  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    I'm totally fine with unsealing the documents around this.

    It's also worth asking what sort of terrible judgment the President had in hiring a guy who was already under FBI chinvestigation.

    How was he supposed to know before he was President?

    Manafort wasn't kept around very long after.
    That's a fair question.

    Ideally, someone in the FBI would have chintervened in private.
    Clearly they did chintervene. It's just that nobody told Trump until March.
    If only the DOJ and Congress had the ability to investigate, arraign, compel testimony, and bring these scalawags to justice1!1!
    Somebody got started early on happy hour.
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    pawz said:

    RedRocket said:

    pawz said:

    We know HondoFS and Boobs will deny it, but this is Watergate-level stuff.

    cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

    https://wsj.com/articles/did-obama-know-about-comeys-surveillance-1505852932



    The American people deserve to know why a FISA judge allowed a wiretap of a Presidential campaign official and what, if anything, they found. And it sounds like: not much.

    We also deserve to know what Obama knew and when he knew it. I'm guessing a surveillance request of this calliber required his approval.

    Unseal the documents for the American public, and the world, now.

    Agree but sounds like you've already made your mind up that it was illegal before any evidence one way or the other has been released. What if there was strong justification?
    That's the poont. We, the public, deserve to know now.

    You should start an online petition.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    pawz said:

    RedRocket said:

    pawz said:

    We know HondoFS and Boobs will deny it, but this is Watergate-level stuff.

    cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

    https://wsj.com/articles/did-obama-know-about-comeys-surveillance-1505852932



    The American people deserve to know why a FISA judge allowed a wiretap of a Presidential campaign official and what, if anything, they found. And it sounds like: not much.

    We also deserve to know what Obama knew and when he knew it. I'm guessing a surveillance request of this calliber required his approval.

    Unseal the documents for the American public, and the world, now.

    Agree but sounds like you've already made your mind up that it was illegal before any evidence one way or the other has been released. What if there was strong justification?
    That's the poont. We, the public, deserve to know now.

    Why do we need to know now?