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Hillary Clinton: "We Should Abolish the Electoral College..."
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That he did.CirrhosisDawg said:
Your grandfather chaired the Riverside County GOP back in the day, correct (love the bar at the Mission Inn btw)? So you saw San Joaquin valley and Colorado river water flowing voluminously and transforming the Coachella into an Ag powerhouse. Same thing in the San Joaquin valley (CVP)and eastern WA (BPA) Water, power, fertile land -- all delivered by taxpayers. Sounds like crony capitalism at its finest.YellowSnow said:
There you go again KaiserKewg - your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze. No shit, BOR and Army Corps projects help subsidize the cost of food production; I never said anything implying that wasn't the case. But those farmers are also earning a pretty nice living as a result of tax payer subsidized cheap water. And I don't have a problem with them doing so, per say. My observation here is that if you live in fucking rural American you need to understand a little of the history of how you get to exist out there in the first place and quite hating on the federales so much. Who built the dams? Not private enterprise. Who brought the electrical grid and roads the rural parts of the US? It was big fucking guvmint, paid for with city slicker tax dollars.salemcoog said:
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.YellowSnow said:
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.AZDuck said:it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
Even through farmers still use most (80%) of California's water and we can argue about the economic merits of subsidizing them, keep in mind those projects would have not gotten built without the political clout of the agriculture interest in CA in the 1930- 60s. Without that Southern California doesn't exist in the way it does now. Some of you fuckers probably think that would have been a good thing, but go fuck yourselves.
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They have to fix the Delta and the Freeways before they worry about bullet trains.RaceBannon said:
Sounds like a responsible use to tax dollars to open up land for people and agriculture. Government at its finest.CirrhosisDawg said:
Your grandfather chaired the Riverside County GOP back in the day, correct (love the bar at the Mission Inn btw)? So you saw San Joaquin valley and Colorado river water flowing voluminously and transforming the Coachella into an Ag powerhouse. Same thing in the San Joaquin valley (CVP)and eastern WA (BPA) Water, power, fertile land -- all delivered by taxpayers. Sounds like crony capitalism at its finest.YellowSnow said:
There you go again KaiserKewg - your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze. No shit, BOR and Army Corps projects help subsidize the cost of food production; I never said anything implying that wasn't the case. But those farmers are also earning a pretty nice living as a result of tax payer subsidized cheap water. And I don't have a problem with them doing so, per say. My observation here is that if you live in fucking rural American you need to understand a little of the history of how you get to exist out there in the first place and quite hating on the federales so much. Who built the dams? Not private enterprise. Who brought the electrical grid and roads the rural parts of the US? It was big fucking guvmint, paid for with city slicker tax dollars.salemcoog said:
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.YellowSnow said:
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.AZDuck said:it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
Not bullet trains to Fresno -
People forget that Orange County once grew oranges and Knott's Berry farm was real farm. When we went to Disneyland in the 60's it was in the middle of nowhere relative to the urban area it is today.
The fabled 909 along the 10 from Pomona to Redlands was citrus central too at the turn of the last century.
Those half million and above houses for sale once housed migrant workers. The former owner house go for more.
The workers lived in shacks, the owners in Craftsman homes -
Your water doesn't go to Southern California.salemcoog said:
I agree. We should save our water by diverting it away from Southern California. I prefer my oranges from Florida anyway. Problem solved.YellowSnow said:
This is essential reading by the way, if you want to dig a little deeper into the subject.salemcoog said:
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.YellowSnow said:
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.AZDuck said:it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
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True. salemcooger is still a huge pussy.RaceBannon said:
Sounds like a responsible use to tax dollars to open up land for people and agriculture. Government at its finest.CirrhosisDawg said:
Your grandfather chaired the Riverside County GOP back in the day, correct (love the bar at the Mission Inn btw)? So you saw San Joaquin valley and Colorado river water flowing voluminously and transforming the Coachella into an Ag powerhouse. Same thing in the San Joaquin valley (CVP)and eastern WA (BPA) Water, power, fertile land -- all delivered by taxpayers. Sounds like crony capitalism at its finest.YellowSnow said:
There you go again KaiserKewg - your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze. No shit, BOR and Army Corps projects help subsidize the cost of food production; I never said anything implying that wasn't the case. But those farmers are also earning a pretty nice living as a result of tax payer subsidized cheap water. And I don't have a problem with them doing so, per say. My observation here is that if you live in fucking rural American you need to understand a little of the history of how you get to exist out there in the first place and quite hating on the federales so much. Who built the dams? Not private enterprise. Who brought the electrical grid and roads the rural parts of the US? It was big fucking guvmint, paid for with city slicker tax dollars.salemcoog said:
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.YellowSnow said:
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.AZDuck said:it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
Not bullet trains to Fresno -
RaceBannon said:
People forget that Orange County once grew oranges and Knott's Berry farm was real farm. When we went to Disneyland in the 60's it was in the middle of nowhere relative to the urban area it is today.
The fabled 909 along the 10 from Pomona to Redlands was citrus central too at the turn of the last century.
Those half million and above houses for sale once housed migrant workers. The former owner house go for more.
The workers lived in shacks, the owners in Craftsman homes
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Northwest water should go south to California. Letting all that snow melt and rain go into the ocean is a waste.
The Romans are shaking their head at us -
no. I wouldn't have.salemcoog said:
Again, you wouldn't be swapping tears and cum with dhdawg if your candidate would have won.AZDuck said:
well, it isn't like you give a shit what the Federales say on your guns n' religion compound anyway, but both Houses of Congress as constituted favor rural over urban dwellers in terms of voting power, as well as the other unwritten archaic practice that the two rural states of Iowa and New Hampshire have an outsized voice in who gets to be Prez in the first place... so...PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.AZDuck said:it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
When an archaic institution, in this case the electoral college, gives an unfair electoral advantage to one side, in this case the right. It's usually the other side that wants to fix the system.
Crazy, isn't it.
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The system worked better before congress got a cap of 435 in 1911. Remove that cap for electoral votes only (we don't need a 2,000 seat congress) and it would be mostly fine.dhdawg said:
no. I wouldn't have.salemcoog said:
Again, you wouldn't be swapping tears and cum with dhdawg if your candidate would have won.AZDuck said:
well, it isn't like you give a shit what the Federales say on your guns n' religion compound anyway, but both Houses of Congress as constituted favor rural over urban dwellers in terms of voting power, as well as the other unwritten archaic practice that the two rural states of Iowa and New Hampshire have an outsized voice in who gets to be Prez in the first place... so...PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.AZDuck said:it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
When an archaic institution, in this case the electoral college, gives an unfair electoral advantage to one side, in this case the right. It's usually the other side that wants to fix the system.
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Correct. But the point is that So Cal would dry up in a month if they closed the gates to Lake Mead and other areas outside of the state where the wa wa comes from.YellowSnow said:
Your water doesn't go to Southern California.salemcoog said:
I agree. We should save our water by diverting it away from Southern California. I prefer my oranges from Florida anyway. Problem solved.YellowSnow said:
This is essential reading by the way, if you want to dig a little deeper into the subject.salemcoog said:
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.YellowSnow said:
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.PurpleThrobber said:
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.AZDuck said:it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
