Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Welcome to the Hardcore Husky Forums. Folks who are well-known in Cyberland and not that dumb.

PM to HH history experts, YellowSnow, BearsWiin, AZDuck, Tommy etc

2»

Comments

  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    If Lee wanted to be remembered as an American hero, he should have taken command of the Army of the Potomac and ended the war quickly. Without Lee, the South would have been crushed in an instant. It was largely the incompetence of Union leadership and Lee's early gains that prolonged the war. Plenty of other Virginians stayed loyal to the Union, so the notion that everyone in those days was only loyal to their home state is bullshit.

    Instead, Lee chose to fight to protect the original sin of this country's founding, and now his house is a cemetery. Rommel was a great military leader too, and not REALLY a Nazi by most accounts. But fuck him too.

    Losers don't write history. Not even classy ones.

    Of course, a quick war likely leads to a quick reconciliation, and likely no end to slavery. Lincoln himself admitted that preserving the Union was paramount. So maybe a really bloody, shitty Civil War 150 years ago saved us all a bunch of trouble these days.

    Thanks Lee, for your service.

    Speaking of Nazis, Werner Von Braun has his name on every third building here.

    Basically if you're not into high treason or genocide you aren't getting anything named after you in Alabama. This is the one area of the state viewed as progressive as well.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Mosster47 said:

    If Lee wanted to be remembered as an American hero, he should have taken command of the Army of the Potomac and ended the war quickly. Without Lee, the South would have been crushed in an instant. It was largely the incompetence of Union leadership and Lee's early gains that prolonged the war. Plenty of other Virginians stayed loyal to the Union, so the notion that everyone in those days was only loyal to their home state is bullshit.

    Instead, Lee chose to fight to protect the original sin of this country's founding, and now his house is a cemetery. Rommel was a great military leader too, and not REALLY a Nazi by most accounts. But fuck him too.

    Losers don't write history. Not even classy ones.

    Of course, a quick war likely leads to a quick reconciliation, and likely no end to slavery. Lincoln himself admitted that preserving the Union was paramount. So maybe a really bloody, shitty Civil War 150 years ago saved us all a bunch of trouble these days.

    Thanks Lee, for your service.

    Speaking of Nazis, Werner Von Braun has his name on every third building here.

    Basically if you're not into high treason or genocide you aren't getting anything named after you in Alabama. This is the one area of the state viewed as progressive as well.
    Von Braun is a weird case. Like Rommel, the rumor is he wasn't a REAL Nazi. Allegedly he dressed up and played along, but didn't believe in any of it. He just loved his country and was damn good at what he did. And maybe wasn't given a choice by the scary people in charge. He was a rocket nerd, not a general.

    But then he created the V-2 rocket "vengeance weapon" using slave labor. Survivors claimed they witnessed him personally oversee executions of suspected saboteurs in the factory.

    BUT...then he helped us win the space race against Ivan.

    The rocket/space stuff is the only thing we know is true. The other allegations didn't stick. Though you have to wonder if his value to our rocket program didn't earn him a clean slate from the US government.

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,808 Founders Club

    Mosster47 said:

    If Lee wanted to be remembered as an American hero, he should have taken command of the Army of the Potomac and ended the war quickly. Without Lee, the South would have been crushed in an instant. It was largely the incompetence of Union leadership and Lee's early gains that prolonged the war. Plenty of other Virginians stayed loyal to the Union, so the notion that everyone in those days was only loyal to their home state is bullshit.

    Instead, Lee chose to fight to protect the original sin of this country's founding, and now his house is a cemetery. Rommel was a great military leader too, and not REALLY a Nazi by most accounts. But fuck him too.

    Losers don't write history. Not even classy ones.

    Of course, a quick war likely leads to a quick reconciliation, and likely no end to slavery. Lincoln himself admitted that preserving the Union was paramount. So maybe a really bloody, shitty Civil War 150 years ago saved us all a bunch of trouble these days.

    Thanks Lee, for your service.

    Speaking of Nazis, Werner Von Braun has his name on every third building here.

    Basically if you're not into high treason or genocide you aren't getting anything named after you in Alabama. This is the one area of the state viewed as progressive as well.
    Von Braun is a weird case. Like Rommel, the rumor is he wasn't a REAL Nazi. Allegedly he dressed up and played along, but didn't believe in any of it. He just loved his country and was damn good at what he did. And maybe wasn't given a choice by the scary people in charge. He was a rocket nerd, not a general.

    But then he created the V-2 rocket "vengeance weapon" using slave labor. Survivors claimed they witnessed him personally oversee executions of suspected saboteurs in the factory.

    BUT...then he helped us win the space race against Ivan.

    The rocket/space stuff is the only thing we know is true. The other allegations didn't stick. Though you have to wonder if his value to our rocket program didn't earn him a clean slate from the US government.

    It's almost like humans are complex and their ultimate value is what they can produce
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Great slave master mentality as always
Sign In or Register to comment.