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Too easy to axe you, you were there.RaceBannon said:Ken Burns basically wrote a love letter to him in video form
But since I wasn't asked - fuck off.
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OMG I don't care
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You are not a history expert, rather, a primary source.RaceBannon said:Ken Burns basically wrote a love letter to him in video form
But since I wasn't asked - fuck off.
http://hardcorehusky.com/news/privatebrowning
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I forgot I wrote that
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I thought that Private Browning letter, along with the comic of Sark dancing on the bar at the Dutchess, was one of your best non-Duck Fighter Illustrated works.RaceBannon said:I forgot I wrote that
And yes, the Kens Burns series, while I wouldn't say is love letter, definitely paints Lee as a bit of tragic hero (then again, you could tell in his interviews Shelby Foote had a full on man-crush on the general )...which he was in a way. He had fought for the United States Army for many years, and until his state left the Union, was deeply devoted to it. I'm not saying he made the right decision, but when I try to put myself in his shoes, I can't imagine how difficult it must've been to chose between your home state and the country you had served for so long. Then again, there were Southerners who opted to stay loyal (Sam Houston being the most high profile one I can think of - and like Lee he was a slave holder).
@YellowSnow thank you for bringing up how Nebraska-classy Lee was when he surrendered. That's where I think the "kindly Lee" reputation is earned. Right or wrong, he was probably the voice most Confederates would listen to ('cause let's face it, it wasn't Jefferson Davis), so he definitely could've dragged out the war if he had wished. -
Heinrich Himmler betrayed Hitler and tried to save lives by approaching the Catholic Church to broker a peace deal and end the war which if successful would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. In November 1944 he ordered the extermination of Jews to cease which his subordinates ignored.
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Might have been the SS Death Castle he built.Baseman said:Heinrich Himmler betrayed Hitler and tried to save lives by approaching the Catholic Church to broker a peace deal and end the war which if successful would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. In November 1944 he ordered the extermination of Jews to cease which his subordinates ignored.
I might be mistaken but I don't believe anyone nominated Himmler for the Nobel Peace Prize. -
He created when Hitler ordered the Fatherland destroyed.WilburHooksHands said:
Might have been the SS Death Castle he built.Baseman said:Heinrich Himmler betrayed Hitler and tried to save lives by approaching the Catholic Church to broker a peace deal and end the war which if successful would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. In November 1944 he ordered the extermination of Jews to cease which his subordinates ignored.
I might be mistaken but I don't believe anyone nominated Himmler for the Nobel Peace Prize. -
Doog_de_Jour said:
I thought that Private Browning letter, along with the comic of Sark dancing on the bar at the Dutchess, was one of your best non-Duck Fighter Illustrated works.RaceBannon said:I forgot I wrote that
And yes, the Kens Burns series, while I wouldn't say is love letter, definitely paints Lee as a bit of tragic hero (then again, you could tell in his interviews Shelby Foote had a full on man-crush on the general )...which he was in a way. He had fought for the United States Army for many years, and until his state left the Union, was deeply devoted to it. I'm not saying he made the right decision, but when I try to put myself in his shoes, I can't imagine how difficult it must've been to chose between your home state and the country you had served for so long. Then again, there were Southerners who opted to stay loyal (Sam Houston being the most high profile one I can think of - and like Lee he was a slave holder).
@YellowSnow thank you for bringing up how Nebraska-classy Lee was when he surrendered. That's where I think the "kindly Lee" reputation is earned. Right or wrong, he was probably the voice most Confederates would listen to ('cause let's face it, it wasn't Jefferson Davis), so he definitely could've dragged out the war if he had wished.Free pub!Race did it again.
Late chin for you on the sawbones poast. Great chit. -
If Lee wanted to be remembered as an American hero, he should have taken command of the Army of the Potomac and ended the war quickly. Without Lee, the South would have been crushed in an instant. It was largely the incompetence of Union leadership and Lee's early gains that prolonged the war. Plenty of other Virginians stayed loyal to the Union, so the notion that everyone in those days was only loyal to their home state is bullshit.
Instead, Lee chose to fight to protect the original sin of this country's founding, and now his house is a cemetery. Rommel was a great military leader too, and not REALLY a Nazi by most accounts. But fuck him too.
Losers don't write history. Not even classy ones.
Of course, a quick war likely leads to a quick reconciliation, and likely no end to slavery. Lincoln himself admitted that preserving the Union was paramount. So maybe a really bloody, shitty Civil War 150 years ago saved us all a bunch of trouble these days.
Thanks Lee, for your service.
