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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,942 Founders Club

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

    image

    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

    image

    Anything stand out to you with these numbers?

    1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1932, 1933, 1947, 1948, 1997
    To be fair, or something, the same could have been said about Alabama before Nick got there, and yet, they were still on Mount Rushmore, with little debate. A lot of schools have titles that are fuzzy, or questionable. That's the nature of ancient history, and that's why I love me some

    CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We? don't go back to territorial states scheduling for our? titles baby. From an historical standpoint, they all happened last week.
    Bama won titles in every decade except the 80's but still
    I take it back. But still,

    You did forget Oklahoma.
    If ND gets bumped Oklahoma is tanned rested and ready
    They are the logical replacement. If Canes win one in this decade, however, that's 4 decades running in a row of Natty's which no one else on Rushmore could lay claim on. The 80's really fucked Bammer.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,946

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

    image

    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

    image

    Anything stand out to you with these numbers?

    1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1932, 1933, 1947, 1948, 1997
    To be fair, or something, the same could have been said about Alabama before Nick got there, and yet, they were still on Mount Rushmore, with little debate. A lot of schools have titles that are fuzzy, or questionable. That's the nature of ancient history, and that's why I love me some

    CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We? don't go back to territorial states scheduling for our? titles baby. From an historical standpoint, they all happened last week.
    Bama won titles in every decade except the 80's but still
    I take it back. But still,

    You did forget Oklahoma.
    If ND gets bumped Oklahoma is tanned rested and ready
    They are the logical replacement. If Canes win one in this decade, however, that's 4 decades running in a row of Natty's which no one else on Rushmore could lay claim on. The 80's really fucked Bammer.
    First brilliant thing you've said ... EVER!!!
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,942 Founders Club
    edited July 2017

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

    image

    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

    image

    Anything stand out to you with these numbers?

    1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1932, 1933, 1947, 1948, 1997
    To be fair, or something, the same could have been said about Alabama before Nick got there, and yet, they were still on Mount Rushmore, with little debate. A lot of schools have titles that are fuzzy, or questionable. That's the nature of ancient history, and that's why I love me some

    CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We? don't go back to territorial states scheduling for our? titles baby. From an historical standpoint, they all happened last week.
    Bama won titles in every decade except the 80's but still
    I take it back. But still,

    You did forget Oklahoma.
    If ND gets bumped Oklahoma is tanned rested and ready
    They are the logical replacement. If Canes win one in this decade, however, that's 4 decades running in a row of Natty's which no one else on Rushmore could lay claim on. The 80's really fucked Bammer.
    First brilliant thing you've said ... EVER!!!
    I don't know what to make of the fact that it's taken you so long to appreciate my brilliance, but better late than never I suppose. That said any logical college football fan, would have to conclude the that "U" has a better resume since 1980, than any other school on Race's Mt. Rushmore, excepting Alabama. But their NT drought needs to end sooner than later or the Buckeyes or Florida State will pass them by as second best team of the past 4 decades.

  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,942 Founders Club
    AP's Rushmore includes Oklahomo at the expense of USC.
    http://collegefootball.ap.org/top-100
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Gladstone said:

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

    image

    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

    image

    Michigan is a fine program that is noted, in particular, for coughing up hairballs in big games. Let's review the record of their greatest coach, Bo Schembechler --
    1969: Michigan wins the Big 10 but then loses the Rose Bowl to USC 10-3
    1970: Michigan is 9-0 heading into Ohio State but comes up short 20-9
    1971: Michigan is 11-0 and facing heavy underdog Stanford in the Rose Bowl: 13-12 Stanford
    1972: 10-0 heading into OSU: 14-11 Buckeyes
    1973: 10-0 and Michigan has Ohio State at home: 10-10 tie and the conference athletic directors vote to send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl
    1974: 10-0 heading into Columbus: 12-10 Buckeyes
    1975: 8-0-2 and have OSU at home: 21-14 OSU. But good news, the Big 10 now allows other Big 10 teams to go to a bowl. 14-6 Oklahoma over Michigan in the Orange Bowl
    1976: Inexplicable 16-14 loss to Purdue, but Michigan finally gets by Ohio State and goes to the Rose Bowl. Oh goody: 14-6 USC
    1977: Another dumb conference loss, this one 16-0 to Minnesota. But they beat the Buckeyes and they're back in the Rose Bowl and a huge favorite over 7-4 Washington, so finally Michigan's going to win the Rose Bowl. Oops: 27-20 Washington
    1978: This time the conference gag is against MSU but the Wolves beat the Bucks again and are back in the Rose Bowl. Same song, 18th verse: 17-10 USC
    1979: Michigan has Devine's worst team in Ann Arbor and the Wolves have already tuned up on Northwestern and it's ND's opener. No matter, Bob Crable blocks a game-winning FG attempt and ND wins 12-10. 8-3 Michigan finally gets an easy bowl opponent, UNC in the Gator Bowl. Thanks for playing Bo: 17-15 UNC.
    1980: Finally Michigan wins a Rose Bowl (over Washington). But a 51-yard FG by Harry Oliver beats UM in ND stadium. The next week the stunned Wolves also lose to South Carolina, removing them from NC consideration.
    1981: Bo finally beats ND (Faust's 5-6 team) and beats UCLA in a bowl game. The bad news? It's the Bluebonnet Bowl.
    1982: Bo gets beat by Faust but still makes it to the Rose Bowl at 8-3 and plays UCLA. UCLA wins of course, 24-14.
    1983: Good news: ND's off the schedule for Bo. Bad news, they have to play Washington again and lose 27-25. 9-2 Michigan gets invited to the Sugar Bowl where they lose to Auburn 9-7. Bo has now managed to lose 3 of the then-Big 4 bowls.
    1984: Michigan flops around to a 6-5 record and then makes history as the weakest opponent ever in a bowl game for a national championship team as BYU gets by them 24-17 to claim the NC even though BYU would've been a 2-touchdown underdog to either Oklahoma or Nebraska.
    1985: A conference loss to Iowa and a tie with Illinois keeps UM out of the Rose Bowl and NC consideration. UM does beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.
    1986: Familiar scene. ND is jobbed by a bad call as the game-winning TD is ruled out of bounds. UM somehow loses to Minnesota in Ann Arbor but still makes it to the Rose Bowl where the Wolves lose 22-15 to ASU. ASU is now the 5th Pac 8 or 10 team to beat Bo's teams in the Rose Bowl.
    1987: Lou drills UM 26-7 in Ann Arbor. Michigan suffers 3 more losses to go 8-4.
    1988: Gillette's miss allows ND to win 19-17 setting up ND's 12-0 season. UM does finally manage to win the Rose Bowl over USC. ND defeats both participants in the Rose Bowl during the regular season.
    1989: Rocket runs back two kickoffs and Michigan loses 24-19. Michigan plays well and wins the next 10 before losing the Rose Bowl to USC. ND beats both participants in the Rose Bowl, again.

    And thus concludes Bo's career.
    Agree
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Gladstone said:

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

    image

    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

    image

    Michigan is a fine program that is noted, in particular, for coughing up hairballs in big games. Let's review the record of their greatest coach, Bo Schembechler --
    1969: Michigan wins the Big 10 but then loses the Rose Bowl to USC 10-3
    1970: Michigan is 9-0 heading into Ohio State but comes up short 20-9
    1971: Michigan is 11-0 and facing heavy underdog Stanford in the Rose Bowl: 13-12 Stanford
    1972: 10-0 heading into OSU: 14-11 Buckeyes
    1973: 10-0 and Michigan has Ohio State at home: 10-10 tie and the conference athletic directors vote to send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl
    1974: 10-0 heading into Columbus: 12-10 Buckeyes
    1975: 8-0-2 and have OSU at home: 21-14 OSU. But good news, the Big 10 now allows other Big 10 teams to go to a bowl. 14-6 Oklahoma over Michigan in the Orange Bowl
    1976: Inexplicable 16-14 loss to Purdue, but Michigan finally gets by Ohio State and goes to the Rose Bowl. Oh goody: 14-6 USC
    1977: Another dumb conference loss, this one 16-0 to Minnesota. But they beat the Buckeyes and they're back in the Rose Bowl and a huge favorite over 7-4 Washington, so finally Michigan's going to win the Rose Bowl. Oops: 27-20 Washington
    1978: This time the conference gag is against MSU but the Wolves beat the Bucks again and are back in the Rose Bowl. Same song, 18th verse: 17-10 USC
    1979: Michigan has Devine's worst team in Ann Arbor and the Wolves have already tuned up on Northwestern and it's ND's opener. No matter, Bob Crable blocks a game-winning FG attempt and ND wins 12-10. 8-3 Michigan finally gets an easy bowl opponent, UNC in the Gator Bowl. Thanks for playing Bo: 17-15 UNC.
    1980: Finally Michigan wins a Rose Bowl (over Washington). But a 51-yard FG by Harry Oliver beats UM in ND stadium. The next week the stunned Wolves also lose to South Carolina, removing them from NC consideration.
    1981: Bo finally beats ND (Faust's 5-6 team) and beats UCLA in a bowl game. The bad news? It's the Bluebonnet Bowl.
    1982: Bo gets beat by Faust but still makes it to the Rose Bowl at 8-3 and plays UCLA. UCLA wins of course, 24-14.
    1983: Good news: ND's off the schedule for Bo. Bad news, they have to play Washington again and lose 27-25. 9-2 Michigan gets invited to the Sugar Bowl where they lose to Auburn 9-7. Bo has now managed to lose 3 of the then-Big 4 bowls.
    1984: Michigan flops around to a 6-5 record and then makes history as the weakest opponent ever in a bowl game for a national championship team as BYU gets by them 24-17 to claim the NC even though BYU would've been a 2-touchdown underdog to either Oklahoma or Nebraska.
    1985: A conference loss to Iowa and a tie with Illinois keeps UM out of the Rose Bowl and NC consideration. UM does beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.
    1986: Familiar scene. ND is jobbed by a bad call as the game-winning TD is ruled out of bounds. UM somehow loses to Minnesota in Ann Arbor but still makes it to the Rose Bowl where the Wolves lose 22-15 to ASU. ASU is now the 5th Pac 8 or 10 team to beat Bo's teams in the Rose Bowl.
    1987: Lou drills UM 26-7 in Ann Arbor. Michigan suffers 3 more losses to go 8-4.
    1988: Gillette's miss allows ND to win 19-17 setting up ND's 12-0 season. UM does finally manage to win the Rose Bowl over USC. ND defeats both participants in the Rose Bowl during the regular season.
    1989: Rocket runs back two kickoffs and Michigan loses 24-19. Michigan plays well and wins the next 10 before losing the Rose Bowl to USC. ND beats both participants in the Rose Bowl, again.

    And thus concludes Bo's career.
    sweet jesus, tequilla
  • GladstoneGladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    AZDuck said:

    Gladstone said:

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

    image

    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

    image

    Michigan is a fine program that is noted, in particular, for coughing up hairballs in big games. Let's review the record of their greatest coach, Bo Schembechler --
    1969: Michigan wins the Big 10 but then loses the Rose Bowl to USC 10-3
    1970: Michigan is 9-0 heading into Ohio State but comes up short 20-9
    1971: Michigan is 11-0 and facing heavy underdog Stanford in the Rose Bowl: 13-12 Stanford
    1972: 10-0 heading into OSU: 14-11 Buckeyes
    1973: 10-0 and Michigan has Ohio State at home: 10-10 tie and the conference athletic directors vote to send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl
    1974: 10-0 heading into Columbus: 12-10 Buckeyes
    1975: 8-0-2 and have OSU at home: 21-14 OSU. But good news, the Big 10 now allows other Big 10 teams to go to a bowl. 14-6 Oklahoma over Michigan in the Orange Bowl
    1976: Inexplicable 16-14 loss to Purdue, but Michigan finally gets by Ohio State and goes to the Rose Bowl. Oh goody: 14-6 USC
    1977: Another dumb conference loss, this one 16-0 to Minnesota. But they beat the Buckeyes and they're back in the Rose Bowl and a huge favorite over 7-4 Washington, so finally Michigan's going to win the Rose Bowl. Oops: 27-20 Washington
    1978: This time the conference gag is against MSU but the Wolves beat the Bucks again and are back in the Rose Bowl. Same song, 18th verse: 17-10 USC
    1979: Michigan has Devine's worst team in Ann Arbor and the Wolves have already tuned up on Northwestern and it's ND's opener. No matter, Bob Crable blocks a game-winning FG attempt and ND wins 12-10. 8-3 Michigan finally gets an easy bowl opponent, UNC in the Gator Bowl. Thanks for playing Bo: 17-15 UNC.
    1980: Finally Michigan wins a Rose Bowl (over Washington). But a 51-yard FG by Harry Oliver beats UM in ND stadium. The next week the stunned Wolves also lose to South Carolina, removing them from NC consideration.
    1981: Bo finally beats ND (Faust's 5-6 team) and beats UCLA in a bowl game. The bad news? It's the Bluebonnet Bowl.
    1982: Bo gets beat by Faust but still makes it to the Rose Bowl at 8-3 and plays UCLA. UCLA wins of course, 24-14.
    1983: Good news: ND's off the schedule for Bo. Bad news, they have to play Washington again and lose 27-25. 9-2 Michigan gets invited to the Sugar Bowl where they lose to Auburn 9-7. Bo has now managed to lose 3 of the then-Big 4 bowls.
    1984: Michigan flops around to a 6-5 record and then makes history as the weakest opponent ever in a bowl game for a national championship team as BYU gets by them 24-17 to claim the NC even though BYU would've been a 2-touchdown underdog to either Oklahoma or Nebraska.
    1985: A conference loss to Iowa and a tie with Illinois keeps UM out of the Rose Bowl and NC consideration. UM does beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.
    1986: Familiar scene. ND is jobbed by a bad call as the game-winning TD is ruled out of bounds. UM somehow loses to Minnesota in Ann Arbor but still makes it to the Rose Bowl where the Wolves lose 22-15 to ASU. ASU is now the 5th Pac 8 or 10 team to beat Bo's teams in the Rose Bowl.
    1987: Lou drills UM 26-7 in Ann Arbor. Michigan suffers 3 more losses to go 8-4.
    1988: Gillette's miss allows ND to win 19-17 setting up ND's 12-0 season. UM does finally manage to win the Rose Bowl over USC. ND defeats both participants in the Rose Bowl during the regular season.
    1989: Rocket runs back two kickoffs and Michigan loses 24-19. Michigan plays well and wins the next 10 before losing the Rose Bowl to USC. ND beats both participants in the Rose Bowl, again.

    And thus concludes Bo's career.
    sweet jesus, tequilla

    War and Peace
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about the novel by Leo Tolstoy. For other uses, see War and Peace (disambiguation).
    War and Peace
    Tolstoy - War and Peace - first edition, 1869.jpg
    Front page of War and Peace, first edition, 1869 (Russian)
    Author Leo Tolstoy
    Original title Война и миръ
    Translator The first translation of 'War and Peace' into English was by American Nathan Haskell Dole, in 1899
    Country Russia
    Language Russian, with some French
    Genre Novel (Historical novel)
    Publisher The Russian Messenger (serial)
    Publication date
    Serialised 1865–1867; book 1869
    Media type Print
    Pages 1,225 (first published edition)
    War and Peace (pre-reform Russian: Война́ и миръ; post-reform Russian: Война́ и мир, translit. Voyná i mir [vɐjˈna i ˈmʲir]) is a novel by the Russian author Leo Tolstoy, which is regarded as a central work of world literature and one of Tolstoy's finest literary achievements.[1][2][3]

    The novel chronicles the history of the French invasion of Russia and the impact of the Napoleonic era on Tsarist society through the stories of five Russian aristocratic families. Portions of an earlier version, titled The Year 1805,[4] were serialized in The Russian Messenger from 1865 to 1867. The novel was first published in its entirety in 1869.[5]

    Tolstoy said War and Peace is "not a novel, even less is it a poem, and still less a historical chronicle". Large sections, especially the later chapters, are a philosophical discussion rather than narrative.[6] Tolstoy also said that the best Russian literature does not conform to standards and hence hesitated to call War and Peace a novel. Instead, he regarded Anna Karenina as his first true novel. The Encyclopædia Britannica states: "It can be argued that no single English novel attains the universality of the Russian writer Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace".[7]

    Contents [hide]
    1 Crafting the novel
    2 Realism
    3 Language
    4 Background and historical context
    5 Principal characters
    6 Plot summary
    6.1 Volume One
    6.2 Volume Two
    6.3 Volume Three
    6.4 Volume Four
    6.5 Epilogue in two parts
    6.5.1 First part
    6.5.2 Second part
    7 Reception
    8 English and other translations
    8.1 Full translations into English
    8.2 Comparing translations
    9 Adaptations
    9.1 Film
    9.2 Television
    9.3 Music
    9.4 Opera
    9.5 Theatre
    9.6 Radio
    10 See also
    11 References
    12 External links
    Crafting the novel[edit]

    Only known color photograph of the author, Leo Tolstoy, taken at his Yasnaya Polyana estate in 1908 (age 79) by Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky.

    Tolstoy's notes from the ninth draft of War and Peace, 1864.
    War and Peace is perhaps best known as one of the longest novels ever written.[citation needed]

    Tolstoy began writing War and Peace in the year that he finally married and settled down at his country estate. The first half of the book was written under the name "1805". During the writing of the second half, he read widely and acknowledged Schopenhauer as one of his main inspirations. However, Tolstoy developed his own views of history and the role of the individual within it.[8]

    The first draft of the novel was completed in 1863. In 1865, the periodical Russkiy Vestnik (The Russian Messenger) published the first part of this draft under the title 1805 and published more the following year. Tolstoy was dissatisfied with this version, although he allowed several parts of it to be published with a different ending in 1867. He heavily rewrote the entire novel between 1866 and 1869.[5][8] Tolstoy's wife, Sophia Tolstaya, copied as many as seven separate complete manuscripts before Tolstoy considered it again ready for publication.[8] The version that was published in Russkiy Vestnik had a very different ending from the version eventually published under the title War and Peace in 1869. Russians who had read the serialized version were anxious to buy the complete novel, and it sold out almost immediately. The novel was translated almost immediately after publication into many other languages.[citation needed]

    It is unknown why Tolstoy changed the name to War and Peace. He may have borrowed the title from the 1861 work of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon: La Guerre et la Paix ("The War and the Peace" in French).[4] The title may also be another reference to Titus, described as being a master of "war and peace" in The Twelve Caesars, written by Suetonius in 119 CE. The completed novel was then called Voyna i mir (Война и мир in new-style orthography; in English War and Peace).[citation needed]

  • CFetters_Nacho_LoverCFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 29,898 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    Gladstone said:

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

    image

    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

    image

    Michigan is a fine program that is noted, in particular, for coughing up hairballs in big games. Let's review the record of their greatest coach, Bo Schembechler --
    1969: Michigan wins the Big 10 but then loses the Rose Bowl to USC 10-3
    1970: Michigan is 9-0 heading into Ohio State but comes up short 20-9
    1971: Michigan is 11-0 and facing heavy underdog Stanford in the Rose Bowl: 13-12 Stanford
    1972: 10-0 heading into OSU: 14-11 Buckeyes
    1973: 10-0 and Michigan has Ohio State at home: 10-10 tie and the conference athletic directors vote to send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl
    1974: 10-0 heading into Columbus: 12-10 Buckeyes
    1975: 8-0-2 and have OSU at home: 21-14 OSU. But good news, the Big 10 now allows other Big 10 teams to go to a bowl. 14-6 Oklahoma over Michigan in the Orange Bowl
    1976: Inexplicable 16-14 loss to Purdue, but Michigan finally gets by Ohio State and goes to the Rose Bowl. Oh goody: 14-6 USC
    1977: Another dumb conference loss, this one 16-0 to Minnesota. But they beat the Buckeyes and they're back in the Rose Bowl and a huge favorite over 7-4 Washington, so finally Michigan's going to win the Rose Bowl. Oops: 27-20 Washington
    1978: This time the conference gag is against MSU but the Wolves beat the Bucks again and are back in the Rose Bowl. Same song, 18th verse: 17-10 USC
    1979: Michigan has Devine's worst team in Ann Arbor and the Wolves have already tuned up on Northwestern and it's ND's opener. No matter, Bob Crable blocks a game-winning FG attempt and ND wins 12-10. 8-3 Michigan finally gets an easy bowl opponent, UNC in the Gator Bowl. Thanks for playing Bo: 17-15 UNC.
    1980: Finally Michigan wins a Rose Bowl (over Washington). But a 51-yard FG by Harry Oliver beats UM in ND stadium. The next week the stunned Wolves also lose to South Carolina, removing them from NC consideration.
    1981: Bo finally beats ND (Faust's 5-6 team) and beats UCLA in a bowl game. The bad news? It's the Bluebonnet Bowl.
    1982: Bo gets beat by Faust but still makes it to the Rose Bowl at 8-3 and plays UCLA. UCLA wins of course, 24-14.
    1983: Good news: ND's off the schedule for Bo. Bad news, they have to play Washington again and lose 27-25. 9-2 Michigan gets invited to the Sugar Bowl where they lose to Auburn 9-7. Bo has now managed to lose 3 of the then-Big 4 bowls.
    1984: Michigan flops around to a 6-5 record and then makes history as the weakest opponent ever in a bowl game for a national championship team as BYU gets by them 24-17 to claim the NC even though BYU would've been a 2-touchdown underdog to either Oklahoma or Nebraska.
    1985: A conference loss to Iowa and a tie with Illinois keeps UM out of the Rose Bowl and NC consideration. UM does beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.
    1986: Familiar scene. ND is jobbed by a bad call as the game-winning TD is ruled out of bounds. UM somehow loses to Minnesota in Ann Arbor but still makes it to the Rose Bowl where the Wolves lose 22-15 to ASU. ASU is now the 5th Pac 8 or 10 team to beat Bo's teams in the Rose Bowl.
    1987: Lou drills UM 26-7 in Ann Arbor. Michigan suffers 3 more losses to go 8-4.
    1988: Gillette's miss allows ND to win 19-17 setting up ND's 12-0 season. UM does finally manage to win the Rose Bowl over USC. ND defeats both participants in the Rose Bowl during the regular season.
    1989: Rocket runs back two kickoffs and Michigan loses 24-19. Michigan plays well and wins the next 10 before losing the Rose Bowl to USC. ND beats both participants in the Rose Bowl, again.

    And thus concludes Bo's career.
    sweet jesus, tequilla
    Tequilla in length but much better content than much of Teq's dreck.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,946
    Gladstone said:

    AZDuck said:

    "No Pac-12 program comes close to matching the Trojans in terms of tradition."

    Ouch! 'comes close'? Not even 'comes close'? I thought you? were the favored #2. That must've hurt. Combined with the thinly-veiled academis dig about Warshington, this Rittenberg needs to be taken out to the woodshed.

    How did this dumb fuck ever get into Northwestern?

    You can be #2 without coming close. Its like being 3 in the B1G or 2 in the SEC. UF, UT, Auburn and the like all think they are on Bama's heels but they aren't.

    The Mount Rushmore of college ball is ND, Bama, Ohio State, and USC

    Nobody is close including Michigan which is UW with better PR
    Um, no.

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    In terms of history, UW is closer to UO than UM:

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    Michigan is a fine program that is noted, in particular, for coughing up hairballs in big games. Let's review the record of their greatest coach, Bo Schembechler --
    1969: Michigan wins the Big 10 but then loses the Rose Bowl to USC 10-3
    1970: Michigan is 9-0 heading into Ohio State but comes up short 20-9
    1971: Michigan is 11-0 and facing heavy underdog Stanford in the Rose Bowl: 13-12 Stanford
    1972: 10-0 heading into OSU: 14-11 Buckeyes
    1973: 10-0 and Michigan has Ohio State at home: 10-10 tie and the conference athletic directors vote to send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl
    1974: 10-0 heading into Columbus: 12-10 Buckeyes
    1975: 8-0-2 and have OSU at home: 21-14 OSU. But good news, the Big 10 now allows other Big 10 teams to go to a bowl. 14-6 Oklahoma over Michigan in the Orange Bowl
    1976: Inexplicable 16-14 loss to Purdue, but Michigan finally gets by Ohio State and goes to the Rose Bowl. Oh goody: 14-6 USC
    1977: Another dumb conference loss, this one 16-0 to Minnesota. But they beat the Buckeyes and they're back in the Rose Bowl and a huge favorite over 7-4 Washington, so finally Michigan's going to win the Rose Bowl. Oops: 27-20 Washington
    1978: This time the conference gag is against MSU but the Wolves beat the Bucks again and are back in the Rose Bowl. Same song, 18th verse: 17-10 USC
    1979: Michigan has Devine's worst team in Ann Arbor and the Wolves have already tuned up on Northwestern and it's ND's opener. No matter, Bob Crable blocks a game-winning FG attempt and ND wins 12-10. 8-3 Michigan finally gets an easy bowl opponent, UNC in the Gator Bowl. Thanks for playing Bo: 17-15 UNC.
    1980: Finally Michigan wins a Rose Bowl (over Washington). But a 51-yard FG by Harry Oliver beats UM in ND stadium. The next week the stunned Wolves also lose to South Carolina, removing them from NC consideration.
    1981: Bo finally beats ND (Faust's 5-6 team) and beats UCLA in a bowl game. The bad news? It's the Bluebonnet Bowl.
    1982: Bo gets beat by Faust but still makes it to the Rose Bowl at 8-3 and plays UCLA. UCLA wins of course, 24-14.
    1983: Good news: ND's off the schedule for Bo. Bad news, they have to play Washington again and lose 27-25. 9-2 Michigan gets invited to the Sugar Bowl where they lose to Auburn 9-7. Bo has now managed to lose 3 of the then-Big 4 bowls.
    1984: Michigan flops around to a 6-5 record and then makes history as the weakest opponent ever in a bowl game for a national championship team as BYU gets by them 24-17 to claim the NC even though BYU would've been a 2-touchdown underdog to either Oklahoma or Nebraska.
    1985: A conference loss to Iowa and a tie with Illinois keeps UM out of the Rose Bowl and NC consideration. UM does beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.
    1986: Familiar scene. ND is jobbed by a bad call as the game-winning TD is ruled out of bounds. UM somehow loses to Minnesota in Ann Arbor but still makes it to the Rose Bowl where the Wolves lose 22-15 to ASU. ASU is now the 5th Pac 8 or 10 team to beat Bo's teams in the Rose Bowl.
    1987: Lou drills UM 26-7 in Ann Arbor. Michigan suffers 3 more losses to go 8-4.
    1988: Gillette's miss allows ND to win 19-17 setting up ND's 12-0 season. UM does finally manage to win the Rose Bowl over USC. ND defeats both participants in the Rose Bowl during the regular season.
    1989: Rocket runs back two kickoffs and Michigan loses 24-19. Michigan plays well and wins the next 10 before losing the Rose Bowl to USC. ND beats both participants in the Rose Bowl, again.

    And thus concludes Bo's career.
    Yeeup. That's it right there baby.

    But, but, but Bo was a Michigan Man. The fuck ... as if that meant anything.

    The only thing I remember about Michigan was that they played a "our home/our home" series with the Canes and refused to travel to Miami for the return game. My understanding, though I can't prove it, is that Michigan was well known for that practice.

    The SEC as a conference, sans Tennessee, is one giant pussy when it comes to this. On this score, and I'm going to throw up in my mouth a little here, I have to give credit to the Irish, who have historically taken a real "anyone, anywhere" approach. Of course, being independent kind of forces that issue, but still, having SC, Michigan and Stanford as fixtures on your schedule every season when you don't have to is not for pussies. Miami and Florida State were that way, too, but once any team joins a conference they have to limit their ambitions for big OOC games and become partially pussified. When I think of teams that I have watched over the years play big competition on the road entirely by choice, it seems that SC, ND and Florida State are the programs that really jump out.



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