Everyone is essentially making the same point. The base defense is essentially a 4-2-5. 2-4-5, 2-2-2-5... Whatever the fuck you want to call it. We all watch the games.
The Sam/Buck are hybrid types, with more of an emphasis on rushing the passer than coverage.
Mathis and Kikaha were tweener DE's or 3/4 OLB's. Enough Hugh Mullen bullshit.
The problem is a lot of fucking idiots out there think we play DEs, so I'm going to keep pushing that until those people are wiped off the face of the earth.
Buck and Sam are DE's. If your playing DE 95% of the time out of a two point stance and dropping into coverage 5% of the time your a fucking DE. Standing up instead of putting your hand in the ground to show the QB that you're a threat to drop into coverage doesn't make you an OLB. When the Buck or Sam do drop into coverage all they do is drop into a zone in the flat. The coaches rarely drop them into coverage because they are susceptible to getting beat by RB's on wheel routes. Don't try to correct me if you don't know shit.
I guess you're too young to remember Feeny and Littleton playing Buck and Sam. They were definitely not DE's
Buck and Sam are DE's. If your playing DE 95% of the time out of a two point stance and dropping into coverage 5% of the time your a fucking DE. Standing up instead of putting your hand in the ground to show the QB that you're a threat to drop into coverage doesn't make you an OLB. When the Buck or Sam do drop into coverage all they do is drop into a zone in the flat. The coaches rarely drop them into coverage because they are susceptible to getting beat by RB's on wheel routes. Don't try to correct me if you don't know shit.
I guess you're too young to remember Feeny and Littleton playing Buck and Sam. They were definitely not DE's
Buck and Sam are DE's. If your playing DE 95% of the time out of a two point stance and dropping into coverage 5% of the time your a fucking DE. Standing up instead of putting your hand in the ground to show the QB that you're a threat to drop into coverage doesn't make you an OLB. When the Buck or Sam do drop into coverage all they do is drop into a zone in the flat. The coaches rarely drop them into coverage because they are susceptible to getting beat by RB's on wheel routes. Don't try to correct me if you don't know shit.
I am so fucking here for this DE versus none DE argument, let's gooooooo!
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
Buck and Sam are DE's. If your playing DE 95% of the time out of a two point stance and dropping into coverage 5% of the time your a fucking DE. Standing up instead of putting your hand in the ground to show the QB that you're a threat to drop into coverage doesn't make you an OLB. When the Buck or Sam do drop into coverage all they do is drop into a zone in the flat. The coaches rarely drop them into coverage because they are susceptible to getting beat by RB's on wheel routes. Don't try to correct me if you don't know shit.
I guess you're too young to remember Feeny and Littleton playing Buck and Sam. They were definitely not DE's
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
So would you classify Von Miller as a DE?
Absolutely. He basically plays the Broncos version of Buck. He's a stand-up DE that has the speed to drop into the flat and cover RB's coming out of the backfield. Most of the time he's just playing DE and I've never seen him play true OLB 5-yards off of the line of scrimmage like KJ Wright.
So you're basically disagreeing with how almost all 3-4 teams are classified?
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
So would you classify Von Miller as a DE?
Absolutely. He basically plays the Broncos version of Buck. He's a stand-up DE that has the speed to drop into the flat and cover RB's coming out of the backfield. Most of the time he's just playing DE and I've never seen him play true OLB 5-yards off of the line of scrimmage like KJ Wright.
So you're basically disagreeing with how almost all 3-4 teams are classified?
3-4 teams don't have stand up DEs and I can't think of any team that is still running a 3-4 defense. Not enough pass rushers. Everybody is running a 4-3 or 4-2-5 or a hybrid between the two.
You are making my head hurt ...
I need to go find some gloves so I can consider taking them off ...
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
So would you classify Von Miller as a DE?
Absolutely. He basically plays the Broncos version of Buck. He's a stand-up DE that has the speed to drop into the flat and cover RB's coming out of the backfield. Most of the time he's just playing DE and I've never seen him play true OLB 5-yards off of the line of scrimmage like KJ Wright.
So you're basically disagreeing with how almost all 3-4 teams are classified?
3-4 teams don't have stand up DEs and I can't think of any team that is still running a 3-4 defense. Not enough pass rushers. Everybody is running a 4-3 or 4-2-5 or a hybrid between the two.
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
So would you classify Von Miller as a DE?
Absolutely. He basically plays the Broncos version of Buck. He's a stand-up DE that has the speed to drop into the flat and cover RB's coming out of the backfield. Most of the time he's just playing DE and I've never seen him play true OLB 5-yards off of the line of scrimmage like KJ Wright.
So you're basically disagreeing with how almost all 3-4 teams are classified?
3-4 teams don't have stand up DEs and I can't think of any team that is still running a 3-4 defense. Not enough pass rushers. Everybody is running a 4-3 or 4-2-5 or a hybrid between the two.
Disagree. This is some Hugh Millen shit. A pass rusher is a pass rusher.
A true OLB plays 5-yards off the line off scrimmage, plays in coverage against the pass, and only rushes the QB when a blitz calls for it. A player that plays on the line of scrimmage, defends the run as a DE, rushes the QB as a DE, but a couple of times a game drops into zone-flat coverage is a DE. Doesn't matter if he plays out of a two-point stance or a three-point stance, he's a motherfucking DE.
Last season our defense played nickel 70% of snaps. The Buck position doesn't change between base and nickel. That motherfucker is playing DE 95-100% of snaps and it varies a bit depending on how fast/athletic the player is in coverage. In nickel the SAM is the same as Buck, a DE that occasionally drops into coverage. In base, the SAM is a true OLB like I previously mentioned. Overall the Buck is 95% DE 5% OLB and the SAM is 70% DE and 30% OLB. This is why the players at Buck tend to be bigger than players at SAM. The SAM has to a bit lighter and faster because he plays a bit more in coverage. Regardless, both motherfuckers are playing mostly DE unless the defense switches back to being predominantly their base package like it was in 2014. End of argument. Fuck me, Fuck you, and Fuck everybody.
So would you classify Von Miller as a DE?
Absolutely. He basically plays the Broncos version of Buck. He's a stand-up DE that has the speed to drop into the flat and cover RB's coming out of the backfield. Most of the time he's just playing DE and I've never seen him play true OLB 5-yards off of the line of scrimmage like KJ Wright.
So you're basically disagreeing with how almost all 3-4 teams are classified?
3-4 teams don't have stand up DEs and I can't think of any team that is still running a 3-4 defense. Not enough pass rushers. Everybody is running a 4-3 or 4-2-5 or a hybrid between the two.
Disagree. This is some Hugh Millen shit. A pass rusher is a pass rusher.
You want to say it's semantics I'm fine with that. I disagree but whatever. But he's not claiming semantics. He's saying nobody runs a 3-4 and that Von Miller's a defensive end. Which is ridiculous.
Everybody has a base 4 man rush. Some do it with all four guys with at least one hand down, some do it with three guys with a hand down and one of them standing up. UW does it with two with a hand down and two standing up. If you don't care how they're classified that's fine. Claiming that Von Miller is a defensive lineman is not.
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We look for "inside guys" (NTs and 3Ts have not traditionally been so clearly different in our defense), then BUCK/SAM types... then inside LB types.
And our DB bodies are a bit interchangeable. We do seem to prefer more physical corners though.
They were definitely not DE's
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I need to go find some gloves so I can consider taking them off ...
Everybody has a base 4 man rush. Some do it with all four guys with at least one hand down, some do it with three guys with a hand down and one of them standing up. UW does it with two with a hand down and two standing up. If you don't care how they're classified that's fine. Claiming that Von Miller is a defensive lineman is not.