"Melting Pot" is now a "Microagression" (Disclaimer for Coker: This is a post relating to politics)

YellowSnow

Highly recommend this piece by Peter Beinart, who is a liberal pundit, detailing how FS the Democratic party has become on the immigration issue. Now wonder these clowns can't win an election w/o BHO on the ticket. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/

Pitchfork51

It comes down to

White = evil and bad
Brown = exploited and good

doogie

"In July 2015, two months after officially announcing his candidacy for president, Sanders was interviewed by Ezra Klein, the editor in chief of Vox. Klein asked whether, in order to fight global poverty, the U.S. should consider “sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders.” Sanders reacted with horror. “That’s a Koch brothers proposal,” he scoffed. He went on to insist that “right-wing people in this country would love … an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country.”


funny how fast things change, isn't it?

YellowSnow

“When I see Mexican flags waved at pro immigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.” - Sen. Barack Obama, 2006

RaceBannon

Bill Clinton 1995 sounded like Donald Trump 2015

YellowSnow

Southerndawg

RaceBannon said:

Bill Clinton 1995 sounded like Donald Trump 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3yesvvYEvs

dnc

It's a blackeye for @BearsWiin, IMO

YellowSnow

dnc said:

It's a blackeye for @BearsWiin, IMO

So if the author refers to "the University of California" are they referring the UC system as a whole or just Berkeley?

allpurpleallgold

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

CuntWaffle

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

All of our ancestors are immigrants!!1!

YellowSnow

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

They actually have an audio feature now on some of the Atlantic's pieces where someone reads the TL; DR articles to you. It's pretty kick ass.

BearsWiin

dnc said:

It's a blackeye for @BearsWiin, IMO

2001400ex

Southerndawg said:

RaceBannon said:

Bill Clinton 1995 sounded like Donald Trump 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3yesvvYEvs

I don't think anyone denies we need better border security. The issue that Trump brings up is the wall, which is FS. You can accomplish better border security without wasting the money on a wall.

CirrhosisDawg

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

I can summarize in two sentences.

Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.

Pitchfork51

CirrhosisDawg said:

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama

Fixed

CirrhosisDawg

Pitchfork51 said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama

Fixed

Hey @CuntWaffle why is the sun doovil so angry?

CuntWaffle

CirrhosisDawg said:

Pitchfork51 said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama

Fixed

Hey @CuntWaffle why is the sun doovil so angry?

Sounds like you care

CirrhosisDawg

Pitchfork51 said:

CirrhosisDawg said:

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama

Fixed

White privilege implies continued success for those with skills, high incomes, and successful lives. What does that have to do with white trash?

YellowSnow

CirrhosisDawg said:

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

I can summarize in two sentences.

Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.

Regardless, the segment of the population which you describe can't pick fruit, clean a hotel room, or put shingles on a roof any faster or better than a low skilled immigrant form a 3rd world country. If there wasn't as much cheap, unskilled labor willing to do the jobs "Americans don't want to do", wages would have to rise to the point that people would do them, or businesses would have to invest increasing productivity. Neither of these would be a bad outcome, per say.

RedRocket

allpurpleallgold said:

I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

We still need bodies because population growth has stagnated. I'm fine with slowing the flow of immigrants but I'm also ok with modest levels of economic growth. It's hard to have both if your population base isn't having babies.