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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,841 Founders Club
    Stop eating 'Member Berries.
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    Stop eating 'Member Berries.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2017

    Sledog said:

    The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.

    Social Security Act - 1935
    Food Stamp Act - 1965
    Medicare Act - 1965
    Medicade Act - 1965
    Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
    Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%

    Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.



    Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.

    Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.

  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,297 Founders Club

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    Chinned only because Ronnie was right, but fer fuck sakes, if you're attempting a not so subtle troll by comparing the Berlin Wall situation to the Southern Border of the USA, then you're HondoFS. Otherwise, cheers.
    No soft trolling of that issue, I can assure you.
    Thea
    Baseman said:

    And of course he was widely ripped by our impartial saints of the media and accused of wanting to start a nuclear war and all the usual bullshit that hasn't changed in 30 years

    https://youtu.be/wgSSRE27GQ0
    You Marxist's have no sense of humor. Classic Ronnie, joking during a mic check.

    Here are just a few more examples of the Great Communicator's skills with humor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgs-LaWyUJI
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,366

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    Chinned only because Ronnie was right, but fer fuck sakes, if you're attempting a not so subtle troll by comparing the Berlin Wall situation to the Southern Border of the USA, then you're HondoFS. Otherwise, cheers.
    No soft trolling of that issue, I can assure you.
    Thea
    Baseman said:

    And of course he was widely ripped by our impartial saints of the media and accused of wanting to start a nuclear war and all the usual bullshit that hasn't changed in 30 years

    https://youtu.be/wgSSRE27GQ0
    You Marxists have no sense of humor. Classic Ronnie, joking during a mic check.

    Plural: Yes. Possessive: No

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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.

    Social Security Act - 1935
    Food Stamp Act - 1965
    Medicare Act - 1965
    Medicade Act - 1965
    Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
    Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%

    Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.



    Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.

    Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.

    To be fair...



    Reparations aren't cheap.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,421 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.

    Social Security Act - 1935
    Food Stamp Act - 1965
    Medicare Act - 1965
    Medicade Act - 1965
    Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
    Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%

    Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.



    Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.

    Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.

    To be fair...



    Reparations aren't cheap.
    To be fair...

    On the means tested programs:

    Food Stamps - 40% white
    Medicade - 42% white

    Granted, whites are 62% of the population and in minorities the percentages of those receiving means tested benefits is higher, but there's an awful lot of poor whites who make up the constituency for these programs. Keep in mind there are a lot more poor white people in raw numbers (i.e., votes) than there are poor black people.

    In other words, reparations for indentured servitude aren't cheap.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,421 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.

    Social Security Act - 1935
    Food Stamp Act - 1965
    Medicare Act - 1965
    Medicade Act - 1965
    Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
    Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%

    Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.



    Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.

    Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.

    Democrats were purchasing everyone'svotes with these programs. New Deal and Great Society legislation was only made possible by massive donkey majorities in the Congress in the 1930's and 1960's. Blacks couldn't even vote really in the 1930's and were just barely starting to in the 1960's. White working class made passage of those programs possible. Social Security and Medicare are by far the 2 biggest consumers of our tax dollars on a federal level, and overwhelming majorities of middle class and poor voters (regardless of race) don't want them touched. Even the means tested ones I listed, have YUGE numbers of whites on the rolls; and bear in mind that there are still a lot more poor white voters in the US than black ones in terms of raw numbers.

    Look, I loathe seeing a big chuck of my wealth getting transferred to someone else as much as any conservative leaning guy. And I think these programs need massive overhauls to make them more efficient and remove disincentives towards work (e.g., people living off disability in perpetuity). But there is a massive difference between what we have now - i.e., mixed economy with some socialism - vs communism. It's a political impossibility to maintain a democratic and capitalist w/o some compromise with socialism and wealth redistribution. If you don't do that then it's torches, pitchforks, and viva la revolution!
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.

    Social Security Act - 1935
    Food Stamp Act - 1965
    Medicare Act - 1965
    Medicade Act - 1965
    Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
    Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%

    Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.



    Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.

    Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.

    Democrats were purchasing everyone'svotes with these programs. New Deal and Great Society legislation was only made possible by massive donkey majorities in the Congress in the 1930's and 1960's. Blacks couldn't even vote really in the 1930's and were just barely starting to in the 1960's. White working class made passage of those programs possible. Social Security and Medicare are by far the 2 biggest consumers of our tax dollars on a federal level, and overwhelming majorities of middle class and poor voters (regardless of race) don't want them touched. Even the means tested ones I listed, have YUGE numbers of whites on the rolls; and bear in mind that there are still a lot more poor white voters in the US than black ones in terms of raw numbers.

    Look, I loathe seeing a big chuck of my wealth getting transferred to someone else as much as any conservative leaning guy. And I think these programs need massive overhauls to make them more efficient and remove disincentives towards work (e.g., people living off disability in perpetuity). But there is a massive difference between what we have now - i.e., mixed economy with some socialism - vs communism. It's a political impossibility to maintain a democratic and capitalist w/o some compromise with socialism and wealth redistribution. If you don't do that then it's torches, pitchforks, and viva la revolution!
    So how big a chunk before revolution and gunfire from those doing the paying? The chunks way too big.

    I agree on helping those in need but not 7+ generations living solely on government programs or illegals getting government benefits. The needy is one thing the lazy is quite different. Maybe no voting if your on the dole is the answer. The number on government benefits is reaching the tipping point. The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.

    Social Security was never meant for anyone other than those that payed into it and your rate was based on payments in. It was never considered an entitlement until now. How things change. I do notice welfare and food stamps never run out of money.

    Basically without change we're fucked!
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited June 2017
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.

    Social Security Act - 1935
    Food Stamp Act - 1965
    Medicare Act - 1965
    Medicade Act - 1965
    Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
    Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%

    Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.



    Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.

    Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.

    Democrats were purchasing everyone'svotes with these programs. New Deal and Great Society legislation was only made possible by massive donkey majorities in the Congress in the 1930's and 1960's. Blacks couldn't even vote really in the 1930's and were just barely starting to in the 1960's. White working class made passage of those programs possible. Social Security and Medicare are by far the 2 biggest consumers of our tax dollars on a federal level, and overwhelming majorities of middle class and poor voters (regardless of race) don't want them touched. Even the means tested ones I listed, have YUGE numbers of whites on the rolls; and bear in mind that there are still a lot more poor white voters in the US than black ones in terms of raw numbers.

    Look, I loathe seeing a big chuck of my wealth getting transferred to someone else as much as any conservative leaning guy. And I think these programs need massive overhauls to make them more efficient and remove disincentives towards work (e.g., people living off disability in perpetuity). But there is a massive difference between what we have now - i.e., mixed economy with some socialism - vs communism. It's a political impossibility to maintain a democratic and capitalist w/o some compromise with socialism and wealth redistribution. If you don't do that then it's torches, pitchforks, and viva la revolution!
    So how big a chunk before revolution and gunfire from those doing the paying? The chunks way too big.

    I agree on helping those in need but not 7+ generations living solely on government programs or illegals getting government benefits. The needy is one thing the lazy is quite different. Maybe no voting if your on the dole is the answer. The number on government benefits is reaching the tipping point. The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.

    Social Security was never meant for anyone other than those that payed into it and your rate was based on payments in. It was never considered an entitlement until now. How things change. I do notice welfare and food stamps never run out of money.

    Basically without change we're fucked!
    Um. Your rate is based on payments into it. And the military never runs out of money either. Why do you endorse $600 billion to the military welfare complex but bitch about $100 billion for food stamps and housing.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.

    Social Security Act - 1935
    Food Stamp Act - 1965
    Medicare Act - 1965
    Medicade Act - 1965
    Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
    Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%

    Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.



    Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.

    Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.

    Democrats were purchasing everyone'svotes with these programs. New Deal and Great Society legislation was only made possible by massive donkey majorities in the Congress in the 1930's and 1960's. Blacks couldn't even vote really in the 1930's and were just barely starting to in the 1960's. White working class made passage of those programs possible. Social Security and Medicare are by far the 2 biggest consumers of our tax dollars on a federal level, and overwhelming majorities of middle class and poor voters (regardless of race) don't want them touched. Even the means tested ones I listed, have YUGE numbers of whites on the rolls; and bear in mind that there are still a lot more poor white voters in the US than black ones in terms of raw numbers.

    Look, I loathe seeing a big chuck of my wealth getting transferred to someone else as much as any conservative leaning guy. And I think these programs need massive overhauls to make them more efficient and remove disincentives towards work (e.g., people living off disability in perpetuity). But there is a massive difference between what we have now - i.e., mixed economy with some socialism - vs communism. It's a political impossibility to maintain a democratic and capitalist w/o some compromise with socialism and wealth redistribution. If you don't do that then it's torches, pitchforks, and viva la revolution!
    So how big a chunk before revolution and gunfire from those doing the paying? The chunks way too big.

    I agree on helping those in need but not 7+ generations living solely on government programs or illegals getting government benefits. The needy is one thing the lazy is quite different. Maybe no voting if your on the dole is the answer. The number on government benefits is reaching the tipping point. The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.

    Social Security was never meant for anyone other than those that payed into it and your rate was based on payments in. It was never considered an entitlement until now. How things change. I do notice welfare and food stamps never run out of money.

    Basically without change we're fucked!
    Um. Your rate is based on payments into it. And the military never runs out of money either. Why do you endorse $600 billion to the military welfare complex but bitch about $100 billion for food stamps and housing.
    We need the military. We don't need people sitting around being lazy because the provided benefits are adequate for them to never work.

    Ben Says:

    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”


    ― Benjamin Franklin
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,841 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.

    Urban legends for 100 Alex

    there is a reason they get paid in cash
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

    Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.

    Ironically they shouldn't get anything. Does no one know the definition of "illegal" anymore? Both the person and their actions in using stolen SS numbers are illegal among other things.
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    AZDuck said:

    Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.

    Urban legends for 100 Alex

    there is a reason they get paid in cash
    This is false. During my brief private sector career in Arizona I managed around 120 people. At least 75 of them were illegals. They were made to pay into Medicare, but obviously will never see any of it.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Sledog said:

    AZDuck said:

    Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.

    Ironically they shouldn't get anything. Does no one know the definition of "illegal" anymore? Both the person and their actions in using stolen SS numbers are illegal among other things.
    I never said they "should" get anything. I just remarked that they pay into social security.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,421 Founders Club
    Milton Friedman once said "Look, for example, at the obvious, immediate, practical example of illegal Mexican immigration. Now, that Mexican immigration, over the border, is a good thing. It’s a good thing for the illegal immigrants. It’s a good thing for the United States. It’s a good thing for the citizens of the country. But, it’s only good so long as it’s illegal. He was, of course, referring to them paying payroll taxes, but not collecting benefits because they were here illegally.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,841 Founders Club
    Mosster47 said:

    AZDuck said:

    Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.

    Urban legends for 100 Alex

    there is a reason they get paid in cash
    This is false. During my brief private sector career in Arizona I managed around 120 people. At least 75 of them were illegals. They were made to pay into Medicare, but obviously will never see any of it.
    No wonder your private sector career was brief

    We e verify - no illegal gets employed legally. My gardener and landscaper take cash. I need to get them e verified

    You aren't paying into SS if you get paid cash and pay your crew in cash. You can't get a legit job or contract without e verification.

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