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Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
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We need the military. We don't need people sitting around being lazy because the provided benefits are adequate for them to never work.2001400ex said:
Um. Your rate is based on payments into it. And the military never runs out of money either. Why do you endorse $600 billion to the military welfare complex but bitch about $100 billion for food stamps and housing.Sledog said:
So how big a chunk before revolution and gunfire from those doing the paying? The chunks way too big.YellowSnow said:
Democrats were purchasing everyone'svotes with these programs. New Deal and Great Society legislation was only made possible by massive donkey majorities in the Congress in the 1930's and 1960's. Blacks couldn't even vote really in the 1930's and were just barely starting to in the 1960's. White working class made passage of those programs possible. Social Security and Medicare are by far the 2 biggest consumers of our tax dollars on a federal level, and overwhelming majorities of middle class and poor voters (regardless of race) don't want them touched. Even the means tested ones I listed, have YUGE numbers of whites on the rolls; and bear in mind that there are still a lot more poor white voters in the US than black ones in terms of raw numbers.Sledog said:
Yes it was. All democratic vote purchasing buys for minorities. They couldn't switch them from the republican party so they bought them. Thank Johnson.YellowSnow said:
Social Security Act - 1935Sledog said:The man that defeated Russia without firing a shot. Now the US is the last bastion of socialism and communism.
Food Stamp Act - 1965
Medicare Act - 1965
Medicade Act - 1965
Top Rate on Regular Income in 1954 - 92%
Capital Gains Rate in 1954 - 25%
Seems like back when America was "Great" the socialism and communism was already here, but still.
Medicare and social security have been robbed so much , mostly by dems, there is not going to be anything for those that actually paid in to after they pay those that never did or are here illegally. More vote buying with our money. I'm against all of it no matter which party does it.
Look, I loathe seeing a big chuck of my wealth getting transferred to someone else as much as any conservative leaning guy. And I think these programs need massive overhauls to make them more efficient and remove disincentives towards work (e.g., people living off disability in perpetuity). But there is a massive difference between what we have now - i.e., mixed economy with some socialism - vs communism. It's a political impossibility to maintain a democratic and capitalist w/o some compromise with socialism and wealth redistribution. If you don't do that then it's torches, pitchforks, and viva la revolution!
I agree on helping those in need but not 7+ generations living solely on government programs or illegals getting government benefits. The needy is one thing the lazy is quite different. Maybe no voting if your on the dole is the answer. The number on government benefits is reaching the tipping point. The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.
Social Security was never meant for anyone other than those that payed into it and your rate was based on payments in. It was never considered an entitlement until now. How things change. I do notice welfare and food stamps never run out of money.
Basically without change we're fucked!
Ben Says:
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
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Urban legends for 100 AlexAZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
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Such chinsensitivityAZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
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Ironically they shouldn't get anything. Does no one know the definition of "illegal" anymore? Both the person and their actions in using stolen SS numbers are illegal among other things.AZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
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This is false. During my brief private sector career in Arizona I managed around 120 people. At least 75 of them were illegals. They were made to pay into Medicare, but obviously will never see any of it.RaceBannon said:
Urban legends for 100 AlexAZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
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I never said they "should" get anything. I just remarked that they pay into social security.Sledog said:
Ironically they shouldn't get anything. Does no one know the definition of "illegal" anymore? Both the person and their actions in using stolen SS numbers are illegal among other things.AZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
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Milton Friedman once said "Look, for example, at the obvious, immediate, practical example of illegal Mexican immigration. Now, that Mexican immigration, over the border, is a good thing. It’s a good thing for the illegal immigrants. It’s a good thing for the United States. It’s a good thing for the citizens of the country. But, it’s only good so long as it’s illegal. He was, of course, referring to them paying payroll taxes, but not collecting benefits because they were here illegally.
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No wonder your private sector career was briefMosster47 said:
This is false. During my brief private sector career in Arizona I managed around 120 people. At least 75 of them were illegals. They were made to pay into Medicare, but obviously will never see any of it.RaceBannon said:
Urban legends for 100 AlexAZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
there is a reason they get paid in cash
We e verify - no illegal gets employed legally. My gardener and landscaper take cash. I need to get them e verified
You aren't paying into SS if you get paid cash and pay your crew in cash. You can't get a legit job or contract without e verification.
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11 million people somehow managing to make a living all cash and off the books is chincredible.RaceBannon said:
No wonder your private sector career was briefMosster47 said:
This is false. During my brief private sector career in Arizona I managed around 120 people. At least 75 of them were illegals. They were made to pay into Medicare, but obviously will never see any of it.RaceBannon said:
Urban legends for 100 AlexAZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
there is a reason they get paid in cash
We e verify - no illegal gets employed legally. My gardener and landscaper take cash. I need to get them e verified
You aren't paying into SS if you get paid cash and pay your crew in cash. You can't get a legit job or contract without e verification. -
A las Vegas prostitute stole my wallet last night and bought 30 dollars of taco Bell and 400 at Walmart.
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AZDuck said:
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mostsome illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it. -
Her, her pimp, her girlfriend Kryystale, and their four kids.Pitchfork51 said:A las Vegas prostitute stole my wallet last night and bought 30 dollars of taco Bell and 400 at Walmart.
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True. True.AZDuck said:
Her, her pimp, her girlfriend Kryystale, and their four kids.Pitchfork51 said:A las Vegas prostitute stole my wallet last night and bought 30 dollars of taco Bell and 400 at Walmart.
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I'm just telling you how the real world works.YellowSnow said:
11 million people somehow managing to make a living all cash and off the books is chincredible.RaceBannon said:
No wonder your private sector career was briefMosster47 said:
This is false. During my brief private sector career in Arizona I managed around 120 people. At least 75 of them were illegals. They were made to pay into Medicare, but obviously will never see any of it.RaceBannon said:
Urban legends for 100 AlexAZDuck said:Ironically, most illegals pay into social security and will never see a dime of it.
there is a reason they get paid in cash
We e verify - no illegal gets employed legally. My gardener and landscaper take cash. I need to get them e verified
You aren't paying into SS if you get paid cash and pay your crew in cash. You can't get a legit job or contract without e verification. -
Illegal immigrants and lazy fucks living off the government are issues. But neither has anything to do with our $4 trillion a year spending habit or the real issues in America.
