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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    We still occupy Germany and Japan

    No we don't
    We have military bases there.


    But still.
    We also have military bases in South Korea, Portugal, the UK, Singapore, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, Jordan, Norway, Honduras, and other countries we've never been at war with. We don't occupy them.

    "Occupation" means that the occupying power is exercising sovereignty over the occupied state.
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    AZDuck said:

    We still occupy Germany and Japan

    No we don't
    We have military bases there.


    But still.
    Right, but they asked us to he there and we follow all the laws of the host Nation. When we would return back to Germany on Sunday's we would land in a neighboring country and wait for six hours so we wouldn't break the sound law on Sunday's there.

    When you occupy you do what you do. When you're there diplomatically you adhere to host nation.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    We still occupy Germany and Japan

    No we don't
    We have military bases there.


    But still.
    We also have military bases in South Korea, Portugal, the UK, Singapore, Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, Jordan, Norway, Honduras, and other countries we've never been at war with. We don't occupy them.

    "Occupation" means that the occupying power is exercising sovereignty over the occupied state.
    Dammit...I try to prevent Race from being shredded in a thread ONE TIME and this is what I get.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,711 Founders Club
    edited May 2017

    @AZDuck

    The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo

    That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias

    Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,580 Founders Club

    AZDuck said:

    We still occupy Germany and Japan

    No we don't
    We have military bases there.


    But still.
    By chinvitation, gai jin.
    Kind of how Tony Soprano invites you to use his hauling service
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    @AZDuck

    The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo

    That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias

    Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
    Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    @AZDuck

    The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo

    That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias

    Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
    Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
    Chinsightful.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,711 Founders Club

    @AZDuck

    The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo

    That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias

    Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
    Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
    Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    @AZDuck

    The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo

    That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias

    Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
    Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
    Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
    Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,580 Founders Club

    @AZDuck

    The point on Israel or us? in Iraq is that the good guys lose by being good guys. FDR had the luxury of complete censorship as we did our part in the death of 50 million people or so to get rid of Hitler and Tojo

    That's why I am now anti war because we will do what we did in Iraq. Kick their ass in 15 minutes then give it all back over the next years. Israel has the same issues. But to think Hamas can kick anyone's ass is retarded. And it shows your bias

    Chinterestingly enough, in spite of Little Man/Fat Boy, Tokyo, Dresden, et al, The US only accounted for a relatively small fraction of the 50 to 75 million killed in WWII. That body count was almost entirely Japanese killing Chinese, Soviets killing Germans (and whoever else Stalin wanted shot), and Germans killing everyone east of the Molotov - Ribbentrop line. Hell, RAF bomber command actually killed more kraut civilians than the USAAF did.
    Pretty sure the Bombing of Tokyo had about the same number of deaths as Little Man/Fat Boy. Today's nukes are literally 1000x more powerful, so results would be a little different now.
    Correct, but not so much my point here. Just random fun facting that most the death and destruction of WWII was not in fact inflicted by America in spite our overwhelming industrial might. The one good things about nukes to date is that except for a few close calls MAD tends to prevent world wars. Who knows if that will continue to be the case...
    Read this book last year. You probably mean chintentional use, but the number of accidents is astoundingly high.
    image
    We? lost a silo in Arkansas. Not sure if that is what the book is about.

    I agree with Yellow though - the A bomb was nothing special in regards to killing and MAD has been a big part of the kind of peace since WW2. Never meant to imply that we killed the 50 million.

    The point is there was a training exercise for D Day that killed thousands. And CNN video of Normandy would have ended the war on the spot.