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Heritage, Not Hate

AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
edited May 2017 in Tug Tavern
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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,257 Founders Club
    A REAL military man would support Robert E Lee. One of the best American commanders of all time.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,257 Founders Club
    Don't insult our American heroes like that.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    PurpleJ said:

    Don't insult our American heroes like that.

    "Heroes"?

    Treason in defense of slavery isn't heroism. Lee was one of the more decent Confederates, just like Erwin Rommel was one of the more decent Nazis. Not a lot of statues or Rommel in Germany, though.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,425 Founders Club
    PurpleJ said:

    A REAL military man would support Robert E Lee. One of the best American commanders of all time.

    Pickett's Charge—sometimes called Longstreet's assault or, more recently, the Pickett-Pettigrew-Trimble Assault—was an infantry assault ordered by Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee against Maj. Gen. George G. Meade's Union positions on July 3, 1863, the last day of the Battle of Gettysburg in the state of Pennsylvania during the American Civil War. Its futility was predicted by the charge's commander, Lt. Gen. James Longstreet, and it was arguably an avoidable mistake from which the Southern war effort never fully recovered militarily or psychologically. The farthest point reached by the attack has been referred to as the high-water mark of the Confederacy.

    The charge is named after Maj. Gen. George Pickett, one of three Confederate generals who led the assault under Longstreet.

    Pickett's charge was part of Lee's "general plan"[1] to take Cemetery Hill and the network of roads it commanded. His military secretary, A. L. Long, described Lee's thinking:


    There was... a weak point... where [Cemetery Ridge], sloping westward, formed the depression through which the Emmitsburg road passes. Perceiving that by forcing the Federal lines at that point and turning toward Cemetery Hill [Hays' Division] would be taken in flank and the remainder would be neutralized.... Lee determined to attack at that point, and the execution was assigned to
    Longstreet.[2]
    On the night of July 2, Meade correctly predicted at a council of war that Lee would attack the center of his lines the following morning.

    The infantry assault was preceded by a massive artillery bombardment that was meant to soften up the Union defense and silence its artillery, but was largely ineffective. Approximately 12,500 men in nine infantry brigades advanced over open fields for three-quarters of a mile under heavy Union artillery and rifle fire. Although some Confederates were able to breach the low stone wall that shielded many of the Union defenders, they could not maintain their hold and were repulsed with over 50% casualties, a decisive defeat that ended the three-day battle and Lee's campaign into Pennsylvania.[3] Years later, when asked why his charge at Gettysburg failed, Pickett replied: "I've always thought the Yankees had something to do with it."[4]
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,257 Founders Club
    You only bring up the times he was wrong.
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    PurpleJ said:

    Don't insult our American heroes like that.

    Only in America can you commit high treason and be considered a hero and have statues, schools, parks, and waterways named after you.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,257 Founders Club
    In America we belief in FREEDOM. He FOUGHT for that. Better than you'll ever do hater.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950
    PurpleJ said:

    In America we belief in FREEDOM. He FOUGHT for that. Better than you'll ever do hater.

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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,732
    doogie said:

    Lee may have been a great coach but, he was a shitty recruiter.

    Heil Strausser!
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    People milling about with fire in hand usually suck ass.
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  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    PurpleJ said:

    In America we belief in FREEDOM. He FOUGHT for that. Better than you'll ever do hater.

    So what do you call the 16 years I spent wiping out brown people?
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950
    Mosster47 said:

    PurpleJ said:

    In America we belief in FREEDOM. He FOUGHT for that. Better than you'll ever do hater.

    So what do you call the 16 years I spent wiping out brown people?
    Spring cleaning.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Mosster47 said:

    PurpleJ said:

    In America we belief in FREEDOM. He FOUGHT for that. Better than you'll ever do hater.

    So what do you call the 16 years I spent wiping out brown people?
    TYFYS
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,257 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    Let's clear one thing up. The south were the ones fighting for freedom. They wanted black people to be free to be slaves if they wanted. Are you really free if you can't be a slave? Think about it. The north wanted to oppress them with mandatory freedom. The south said no way. If you want to identify as a slave you have the right as a human person. This goes for all races btw if you think this is about racism. It's about freedom.

    Sounds like a peculiar institution if you ask me.
    Freedom isn't free. Never forget.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950
    PurpleJ said:

    Let's clear one thing up. The south were the ones fighting for freedom. They wanted black people to be free to be slaves if they wanted. Are you really free if you can't be a slave? Think about it. The north wanted to oppress them with mandatory freedom. The south said no way. If you want to identify as a slave you have the right as a human person. This goes for all races btw if you think this is about racism. It's about freedom.

    They are free now to have segregated graduation ceremonies.
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