I have been reflecting on Joseph Ngata's recruitment. An important question springs to mind, and I'm really hoping that @Tequilla and BallzDeep can weigh in:
Was John Ross drafted in the top 10 or top 15 of the first round?
I have been reflecting on Joseph Ngata's recruitment. An important question springs to mind, and I'm really hoping that @Tequilla and BallzDeep can weigh in:
Was John Ross drafted in the top 10 or top 15 of the first round?
One could argue Pettis was drafted above his projection. SF is a great place for him
Idk, I think SF saw the tape of Dante consistently getting open, but a shitty QB was holding him down
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fat to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
Jones said in a Spring ball interview that he's gotten faster and has lowered his 40 time from a 4.6 to a 4.5. He will be a stud for us. I understand Ngata is a rare talent and would be our most talented WR if he flips to UW but people need to stop acting like the more talented WR's we already have on the roster and Taj Davis in this class are chopped liver in comparison. They're not.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.
As much shit as Ruth rightfully takes, this is probably true. It's not that Ngata isn't a great recruit, he is, but these guys take time and need to be developed. They shouldn't be seen as saviors.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.
Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.
Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.
Ummmm Ross and Pettis were the starters and if you want to go three wide McClatcher was the slot.
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.
Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.
Ummmm Ross and Pettis were the starters and if you want to go three wide McClatcher was the slot.
Doogs hate facts.
"2016: Played in all 14 games of his true freshman season, starting four times"
What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.
Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.
Ummmm Ross and Pettis were the starters and if you want to go three wide McClatcher was the slot.
Doogs hate facts.
"2016: Played in all 14 games of his true freshman season, starting four times"
Started four times is a lot different than being the starter. So he was in on the opening formation a couple times. There's no way he played close to starter minutes.
But if you're point is Ngata could go in for a play or two at the beginning of a handful of games as true frosh, sure.gif
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He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
"2016: Played in all 14 games of his true freshman season, starting four times"
https://gohuskies.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4890
But if you're point is Ngata could go in for a play or two at the beginning of a handful of games as true frosh, sure.gif