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How much are you willing to see YOUR taxes rise to be a sanctuary city?

doogie
doogie Member Posts: 15,072
edited March 2017 in Tug Tavern
Now that Fed funds are being cut back and Immigration laws enforced, how much are you willing to see your taxes rise while your Dem politicians play chicken with Sessions?

We all know, Dem governments won't curtail spending to cover the shortfalls which leaves tax hikes.

A shame, really, that I can't move this to the bullshit bored where it belongs
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  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    Taxes are going down, lowest ever. Everyone is saying how low their taxes are going to be. Yuge tax cuts. Mexico is going to subsidize our tax bill. I just robbed a Mexican yesterday in fact. Taxes before me were a disaster.

    I have a 30 day plan. I'm not going to tell you what it is, but I have a plan.

    Mexico out, churros can stay.
  • AlCzervik
    AlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    doogie said:

    Now that Fed funds are being cut back and Immigration laws enforced, how much are you willing to see your taxes rise while your Dem politicians play chicken with Sessions?

    We all know, Dem governments won't curtail spending to cover the shortfalls which leaves tax hikes.

    A shame, really, that I can't move this to the bullshit bored where it belongs

    Did you know that no two snowflakes are exactly alike?
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    "Nice city you have there, be a shame if something happened to it"

    Government with a Mob Mentality - brought to you by the Donald

  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    First they came for high interstate speed limits, and I did nothing. Next they came for collegiate wrestling, and I stood silent.

    Like it or not (and I don't) there is a legitimate interstate commerce clause nexus between interstate highway travel and the application of equal opportunity legislation. There isn't the same nexus with respect to local law enforcement, which is why it is carried out almost exclusively by local agencies.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Doogie is shitposting again. Dumbass.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

    First they came for high interstate speed limits, and I did nothing. Next they came for collegiate wrestling, and I stood silent.

    Like it or not (and I don't) there is a legitimate interstate commerce clause nexus between interstate highway travel and the application of equal opportunity legislation. There isn't the same nexus with respect to local law enforcement, which is why it is carried out almost exclusively by local agencies.
    The supremacy of federal immigration law falls below federal highway funding and Title IX? Chinteresting... You're the attorney.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    dhdawg said:

    apparently like half the country

    http://cis.org/Sanctuary-Cities-Map

    Great cis-normative link, as always
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    FUUUUUUCK.

    They should pay me if they want to do that shit.

    Fuck this 'sanctuary city' bullshit. Either we are a nation of laws or we aren't. Fuck these little pockets of "well, we don't like that so we are willingly going to disobey".

    *except for edibles. I like edibles.

    But it's meeeean
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    First they came for high interstate speed limits, and I did nothing. Next they came for collegiate wrestling, and I stood silent.

    Like it or not (and I don't) there is a legitimate interstate commerce clause nexus between interstate highway travel and the application of equal opportunity legislation. There isn't the same nexus with respect to local law enforcement, which is why it is carried out almost exclusively by local agencies.
    The supremacy of federal immigration law falls below federal highway funding and Title IX? Chinteresting... You're the attorney.
    Then there oughta be a law like Title IX and ISTEA to deprive states/municipalities that do not enforce immigration laws of funding. Not executive fiat.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,683 Standard Supporter
    City's receive quite a bit of federal funding for law enforcement. Sanctuary city's won't be getting theirs among other funding. Definitely going to hurt. It's either cuts or taxes.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    City's receive quite a bit of federal funding for law enforcement. Sanctuary city's won't be getting theirs among other funding. Definitely going to hurt. It's either cuts or taxes.

    The dude who screams about the Constitution is all for threatening to cut funds from the president.

    Dumbfuck.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    Equal protection under the law is the law of the land. Democrats in Alabama can't decide they want Jim Crow back and Democrats in California can't pick and choose which laws they enforce.

    States rights is a cover for racists, same as it ever was. A REAL liberal would know that.

    Obama threatened funds over trans bathrooms. Deal with it faggots
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Equal protection under the law is the law of the land. Democrats in Alabama can't decide they want Jim Crow back and Democrats in California can't pick and choose which laws they enforce.

    States rights is a cover for racists, same as it ever was. A REAL liberal would know that.

    Obama threatened funds over trans bathrooms. Deal with it faggots

    Komo4 buttfucker
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    FUUUUUUCK.

    They should pay me if they want to do that shit.

    Fuck this 'sanctuary city' bullshit. Either we are a nation of laws or we aren't. Fuck these little pockets of "well, we don't like that so we are willingly going to disobey".

    *except for edibles. I like edibles.

    It's the why is it so hard to just enforce the laws that we have part that boggles my mind ... it shouldn't be that difficult.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    Tequilla said:

    FUUUUUUCK.

    They should pay me if they want to do that shit.

    Fuck this 'sanctuary city' bullshit. Either we are a nation of laws or we aren't. Fuck these little pockets of "well, we don't like that so we are willingly going to disobey".

    *except for edibles. I like edibles.

    It's the why is it so hard to just enforce the laws that we have part that boggles my mind ... it shouldn't be that difficult.
    Because it tears families apart! It's mean!
  • AlCzervik
    AlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774

    Equal protection under the law is the law of the land. Democrats in Alabama can't decide they want Jim Crow back and Democrats in California can't pick and choose which laws they enforce.

    States rights is a cover for racists, same as it ever was. A REAL liberal would know that.

    Obama threatened funds over trans bathrooms. Deal with it faggots

    Moving the goalposts as always. The executive branch cannot simply circumvent Congress and make up new conditions for federal grants. Trying to do this by executive order is unconstitutional. Period.

    https://washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/26/constitutional-problems-with-trumps-executive-order-on-sanctuary-cities/?utm_term=.8c0a931843bf
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    There is nothing new about the Federal gubmint using money to coerce states. At all.

    The states have to follow federal law.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    There is nothing new about the Federal gubmint using money to coerce states. At all.

    The states have to follow federal law.

    The Executive Branch has to follow the law too. That means it cannot arbitrarily withhold legally appropriated funds. Our beloved California is going to bitch slap that fat orangutan upside the head BIGLY once again on this one. That obese fucker is no match for Holder, under retainer, and AG Beccerra.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    There is nothing new about the Federal gubmint using money to coerce states. At all.

    The states have to follow federal law.

    There's a difference between the federal government and the president. You could use a refresher course on the Constitution too.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    There is nothing new about the president using an EO to enforce fed law by withholding funds, like the tranny bathrooms that Obama used a letter on and none of you bitches said a word

    Just because Trump does it does not make it illegal.

    No state can decide to ignore the law. Go ahead and test the government and find your cities burned to the ground like the democrats in the south did.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Cops are gonna have a really easy time doing their jobs when nobody is calling 9/11
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    AZDuck said:

    There is nothing new about the president using an EO to enforce fed law by withholding funds, like the tranny bathrooms that Obama used a letter on and none of you bitches said a word

    Just because Trump does it does not make it illegal.

    No state can decide to ignore the law. Go ahead and test the government and find your cities burned to the ground like the democrats in the south did.

    Race, pot's still against Federal law, y'know. As of now the DOJ isn't enforcing it in states that have legalized, nor are they going after medical marijuana dispensaries.

    Federal block grants are given based upon the qualifications set forth in the block grant. The Feds can't compel local PD to enforce Federal law, and unless the block grant states specifically that the local jurisdiction has to enforce Federal immigration law, then the grant must be awarded.

    There's also a thing called the Antideficiency Act which might come into play.

    Finally, even if the block grants did require local PDs to enforce Federal immigration laws, I'm not sure that would be Constitutional because it would essentially Federalize local law enforcement, because border control and immigration are excusively Federal purview.

    Last, not that I gave a fuck about tranny bathrooms, but equal protection doesn't come into play here. You need to have a state actor and a protected class. If the previous administration decided to extend protection to trans people, then the rationale of the 14th Amendment would apply. I think it was applied to trans people through Title IX, which the executive can affect through executive rule making.

    I have a feeling this might be the first administration to go Owen Everything in the courts at the rate they are going. It's like they don't have any lawyers at all, or are too obtuse to listen to them.
    Shocking revelation of the year.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    There is nothing new about the president using an EO to enforce fed law by withholding funds, like the tranny bathrooms that Obama used a letter on and none of you bitches said a word

    Just because Trump does it does not make it illegal.

    No state can decide to ignore the law. Go ahead and test the government and find your cities burned to the ground like the democrats in the south did.

    I like California in this one. The Trumpanzee legal "brain trust" has already shown itself to be incompetent. Holder and Beccerra will eat them alive. In addition to the sound legal arguments backing California and sanctuary cities, they clearly have the moral and economic argument already won. Finally, who is going to burn down sanctuary cities? They are either wealthy liberal cities or majority latino communities that all overwhelmingly support sanctuary status. Who's setting the torch? Angry hordes of Freedom Trash busing in from the 909/951 with high foreheads, furrowed brows and mortgage delinquency notes dangling from their Levis? They won't make it alive past the 605.