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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849
    edited March 2017
    dhdawg said:

    He made a promise to cover everyone at a lower cost

    I like how it's cool again to take every campaign promise as if there-* all gonna happen, again, in 2017.






    Heady times we live in.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,974
    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now

    I just want you to explain the reasons why.
    Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.

    As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.

    Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.

    Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
    Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?
    Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.

    it will make it less sustainable by taking away the individual mandate and replacing it with one that encourages healthy people to be uninsured until they get sick. you can't include the preexisting conditions provision and not pay for it.

    Obamacare was not my preference, but the only reason it will completely "fail" is marco rubio pulling out the risk corridors and trump's IRS choosing not to enforce the penalty on the mandate.
    And allows something like a 30% surcharge for someone who allows their insurance to lapse and then tries to sign up again which probably does about the same thing as the mandate. Call me skeptical for you having an informed, unbiased view of either Obamacare or this bill...

    And yeah, the trainwreck will only fail because of Republicans...spin, spin away...
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now

    I just want you to explain the reasons why.
    Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.

    As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.

    Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.

    Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
    Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?
    Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.

    it will make it less sustainable by taking away the individual mandate and replacing it with one that encourages healthy people to be uninsured until they get sick. you can't include the preexisting conditions provision and not pay for it.

    Obamacare was not my preference, but the only reason it will completely "fail" is marco rubio pulling out the risk corridors and trump's IRS choosing not to enforce the penalty on the mandate.
    And allows something like a 30% surcharge for someone who allows their insurance to lapse and then tries to sign up again which probably does about the same thing as the mandate. Call me skeptical for you having an informed, unbiased view of either Obamacare or this bill...

    And yeah, the trainwreck will only fail because of Republicans...spin, spin away...
    Insurers started pulling out because of the absence of the risk corridors and because the gov't wouldn't approve their mergers.

    Again not my preferred choice of legislation but it's not collapsing or even in eminent collapse at the moment
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849
    OK Now Liberal fucktard is pointing to Kansas to make a point in favor Obamacare.

    You can't have it both ways. I miss Beavermobile more and more everyday.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    dhdawg said:





    doesn't look like they have the votes in either house.
    those don['t include sens like poortman who are leaning against
    They'll get bought off.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,974
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now

    I just want you to explain the reasons why.
    Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.

    As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.

    Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.

    Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
    Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?
    Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.

    it will make it less sustainable by taking away the individual mandate and replacing it with one that encourages healthy people to be uninsured until they get sick. you can't include the preexisting conditions provision and not pay for it.

    Obamacare was not my preference, but the only reason it will completely "fail" is marco rubio pulling out the risk corridors and trump's IRS choosing not to enforce the penalty on the mandate.
    And allows something like a 30% surcharge for someone who allows their insurance to lapse and then tries to sign up again which probably does about the same thing as the mandate. Call me skeptical for you having an informed, unbiased view of either Obamacare or this bill...

    And yeah, the trainwreck will only fail because of Republicans...spin, spin away...
    Insurers started pulling out because of the absence of the risk corridors and because the gov't wouldn't approve their mergers.

    Again not my preferred choice of legislation but it's not collapsing or even in eminent collapse at the moment
    Absence of risk corridors? You mean the things that are suppose to wash out, but instead had millions flowing into them and billions requested out, and which were illegal bailouts to insurance companies because they weren't approved by Congress and go against Justice Dept guidelines? And still is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire mess?

    Yeah, that's it...that's the ticket...
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Not really. Everyone likes free shit. Is Kansas raising $1.5-$2.0 billion in taxes to pay for the 152,000 additional people that went on Medicaid, or they just adding it to the national debt?
    Kansas is trying to recover from tremendous fiscal irresponsibility.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849

    Not really. Everyone likes free shit. Is Kansas raising $1.5-$2.0 billion in taxes to pay for the 152,000 additional people that went on Medicaid, or they just adding it to the national debt?
    Kansas is trying to recover from tremendous fiscal irresponsibility.
    Let us all kneel in the direction of Mecca for Kansas.

    Talk about hypocritical douchery.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,450 Founders Club
    I'm with the Freedom Cocks on this one. Hold out for a better deal.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    I'm with the Freedom Cocks on this one. Hold out for a better deal.

    I thought the approach was three pronged?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,450 Founders Club
    There are multiple approaches with multiple prongs.

    You guys suck at reading Trump. That is proven.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    There are multiple approaches with multiple prongs.

    You guys suck at reading Trump. That is proven.

    It's clear your ass is one with Trump's dick.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,450 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    There are multiple approaches with multiple prongs.

    You guys suck at reading Trump. That is proven.

    It's clear your ass is one with Trump's dick.
    Things losers say
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    sounds like it might pass with some changes.

    problem is those changes are going to make it less likely to pass the senate.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326


    we're bringing back crap on a stick to sell for 10 bucks.

    They're going to rewrite the bill and pass it tomorrow
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited March 2017
    People will be free to select and pay for higher coverages.

    Why are you so worried for others to make personal decisions regarding their own medical care?
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233
    You should get double the coverage on your knees. They've taken some serious punishment recently.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited March 2017
    worth mentioning as the gop plans to rewrite its bill in the dark of night and vote on it the next day


  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    doogie said:

    People will be free to select and pay for higher coverages.

    Why are you so worried for others to make personal decisions regarding their own medical care?

    Choose your own healthcare works great until cancer chooses you.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072

    doogie said:

    People will be free to select and pay for higher coverages.

    Why are you so worried for others to make personal decisions regarding their own medical care?

    Choose your own healthcare works great until cancer chooses you.
    Sure. Then you take the aspirin they give you till they switch you to the oxy. You get better or you die. Same as it always was.
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