What makes Romar a "good man"
He has also had a known pimp on his team and reinstated said player + had an active cocaine dealer as a major player. Personally I am a fan of pimps and dealers on a team (assuming we win), but these are never brought up by his militant cultists.
What makes Romar a good man?
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Openly Christian and people are afraid to criticize him because of white guiltGladstone said:Honest question and not meant to be flippant. If we assume most people are (HH notwithstanding) naturally decent or at least of a neutral disposition, what sets Romar apart from, say, Wayne Tinkle at OSU or any other random personal-life-not-in-the-news Joe Schmoe coach? That he has not raped people or been charged with a DUI should be a baseline expectation, not a point of praise. Many qualify their criticism of Romar by saying how great of a man he is. Why?
He has also had a known pimp on his team and reinstated said player + had an active cocaine dealer as a major player. Personally I am a fan of pimps and dealers on a team (assuming we win), but these are never brought up by his militant cultists.
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cause everyone says so
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He's articulate.
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Because he goes out of his way to be relational (and not just in ways that bring free pub like Sark). He actively engages the DawgPack, goes out of his way to be good to the little guy kinda stuff.
People who used to play with him/coach with him/ grew up with him are hugely protective of him/ try to send their kids to play with him even though he's a shit coach.
I dont have a problem with the "he's a good guy" claims. The evidence seems to suggest he is. I do have a problem with that factoring into the decision of when to cut ties with him. -
He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
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Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.bananasnblondes said:He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too. -
cause he never took a university airplane to mexico to bang a booster's daughter.
allegedly.
ole ernesto, ole! -
Ernesto was actually pretty loudly religious when he first started at Oregon, not sure if he's toned that down after the Ole incident or not.PurpleThrobber said:
Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.bananasnblondes said:He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too. -
He'd come out and talk to everyone waiting in line before we could get into HecEd. Would regularly bring us donuts and things to eat. He was easy to talk to, and probably is a nice guy. But he sucks at coaching now so fire his ass.dnc said:Because he goes out of his way to be relational (and not just in ways that bring free pub like Sark). He actively engages the DawgPack, goes out of his way to be good to the little guy kinda stuff.
People who used to play with him/coach with him/ grew up with him are hugely protective of him/ try to send their kids to play with him even though he's a shit coach.
I dont have a problem with the "he's a good guy" claims. The evidence seems to suggest he is. I do have a problem with that factoring into the decision of when to cut ties with him. -
Romar makes Ernie Kent look like John WoodenPurpleThrobber said:
Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.bananasnblondes said:He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too. -
Disagree.DerekJohnson said:
Romar makes Ernie Kent look like John WoodenPurpleThrobber said:
Aside from religious, you just described Ernie Kent.bananasnblondes said:He's a black coach who is strongly religious, well-spoken, mild-mannered, and has experienced a moderate degree of success.
And, hell, King David himself lay down with Bathsheba so maybe Ernie is one religious motherfucker too.
I'm hearing @romariswooden -
We'll, because he is. I've run into him (figuratively, not literally), and he was personable, nice, and engaging. He's a great human being. That said, fire him.
I met Sark before and he hardly gave me the time of day, probably because I didn't have tits, a bottle of tequila, or I wasn't down on my knees ala Kent Griswold. -
It's just strange that being a good guy even matters.
UW basketball is historically a shit program. Before this year, Romar had winning records and for a program that doesn't have standards, that's good enough.
No reason that UW can't be good, but it's a shit program. I doubt anybody in CBB talks about UW. Coaches from the East Coast probably don't even talk shit about what a bad coach Romar is because they don't care.
I don't hold Overton or Upshaw against Romar at all though. Trying to better someone's life and caring about them isn't a bad thing, especially with Upshaw.
Overton's situation is/was gross but I do believe Romar was trying to do the right thing and help a kid he cared about. He should have been booted but it doesn't make Romar a bad guy. -
UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.
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The idea that Washington is a shit program in men's hoops historically just isn't supported by the facts ... it takes less than 5 minutes to look the shit up and realize that it's not a terrible program.PurpleThrobber said:UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.
History is a shit reason for keeping Romar. Better than Andy Russo is grasping.
UW coaches since 1921:
Hec Edmundson
UW Overall Record: 488-195
Conference Record: 258-130
Conference Championships: 12
Art McLarney
UW Overall Record: 53-36
Conference Record: 24-24
Conference Championships: 1
Tippy Dye
UW Overall Record: 156-91
Conference Record: 94-50
Conference Championships: 3
John Grayson
UW Overall Record: 57-49
Conference Record: 19-28
Conference Championships: 0
Mac Duckworth
UW Overall Record: 53-74
Conference Record: 24-47
Conference Championships: 0
Tex Winter
UW Overall Record: 45-35
Conference Record: 19-23
Conference Championships: 0
Marv Harshman
UW Overall Record: 246-146
Conference Record: 122-102
Conference Championships: 2
Andy Russo
UW Overall Record: 61-62
Conference Record: 36-36
Conference Championships: 0
Lynn Nance
UW Overall Record: 50-62
Conference Record: 22-50
Conference Championships: 0
Bob Bender
UW Overall Record: 116-142
Conference Record: 63-99
Conference Championships: 0
Lorenzo Romar (through 2016 season)
UW Overall Record: 281-159
Conference Record: 138-100
Conference Championships: 2 (Regular Season), 3 (Conference Tournament)
What we know about UW program:
1) There's plenty of talent in the greater Seattle area to serve as a foundation for a program provided the coach can keep the balance of the talent home ...
2) When we've had a good coach in place, the program as a whole has had reasonable success ... over an almost 100 year period we've won our conference 20 times ... from from terrible.
3) If you look through the history of the program, what stands out is that we're historically very bad when it comes to hiring coaches. It's very likely Romar will never have another HC job unless he goes to Missouri ... where he'll fall on his face there. Bender has never held a head coaching job after leaving Washington. Nance was never a HC again and Russo was a head coach only at lower levels. Harshman retired ... Tex Winter was hired to be HC of the Houston Rockets and had a lengthy and very successful coaching career. In the grand scheme of things, since the time that Tippy Dye left to become an AD, UW has made only 3 decent to good hires ... Winter, Harshman, and Romar ... Bender arguable.
UW as a whole isn't that complicated ... when we make good hires (regardless of the sport), we have the horsepower to compete at a high level. When we make uninspired hire, we suck. -
The three coaches before Romar had losing records. You're seriously counting Hec Edmunson's 12 titles? Jesus dude.Tequilla said:
The idea that Washington is a shit program in men's hoops historically just isn't supported by the facts ... it takes less than 5 minutes to look the shit up and realize that it's not a terrible program.PurpleThrobber said:UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.
History is a shit reason for keeping Romar. Better than Andy Russo is grasping.
UW coaches since 1921:
Hec Edmundson
UW Overall Record: 488-195
Conference Record: 258-130
Conference Championships: 12
Art McLarney
UW Overall Record: 53-36
Conference Record: 24-24
Conference Championships: 1
Tippy Dye
UW Overall Record: 156-91
Conference Record: 94-50
Conference Championships: 3
John Grayson
UW Overall Record: 57-49
Conference Record: 19-28
Conference Championships: 0
Mac Duckworth
UW Overall Record: 53-74
Conference Record: 24-47
Conference Championships: 0
Tex Winter
UW Overall Record: 45-35
Conference Record: 19-23
Conference Championships: 0
Marv Harshman
UW Overall Record: 246-146
Conference Record: 122-102
Conference Championships: 2
Andy Russo
UW Overall Record: 61-62
Conference Record: 36-36
Conference Championships: 0
Lynn Nance
UW Overall Record: 50-62
Conference Record: 22-50
Conference Championships: 0
Bob Bender
UW Overall Record: 116-142
Conference Record: 63-99
Conference Championships: 0
Lorenzo Romar (through 2016 season)
UW Overall Record: 281-159
Conference Record: 138-100
Conference Championships: 2 (Regular Season), 3 (Conference Tournament)
What we know about UW program:
1) There's plenty of talent in the greater Seattle area to serve as a foundation for a program provided the coach can keep the balance of the talent home ...
2) When we've had a good coach in place, the program as a whole has had reasonable success ... over an almost 100 year period we've won our conference 20 times ... from from terrible.
3) If you look through the history of the program, what stands out is that we're historically very bad when it comes to hiring coaches. It's very likely Romar will never have another HC job unless he goes to Missouri ... where he'll fall on his face there. Bender has never held a head coaching job after leaving Washington. Nance was never a HC again and Russo was a head coach only at lower levels. Harshman retired ... Tex Winter was hired to be HC of the Houston Rockets and had a lengthy and very successful coaching career. In the grand scheme of things, since the time that Tippy Dye left to become an AD, UW has made only 3 decent to good hires ... Winter, Harshman, and Romar ... Bender arguable.
UW as a whole isn't that complicated ... when we make good hires (regardless of the sport), we have the horsepower to compete at a high level. When we make uninspired hire, we suck.
Of course a good coach could win at UW. It's still a shit program until proven otherwise. No one on this board has seen UW make it past the Sweet 16 once. -
1953 Final Four. Race was there.RoadDawg55 said:
The three coaches before Romar had losing records. You're seriously counting Hec Edmunson's 12 titles? Jesus dude.Tequilla said:
The idea that Washington is a shit program in men's hoops historically just isn't supported by the facts ... it takes less than 5 minutes to look the shit up and realize that it's not a terrible program.PurpleThrobber said:UW was shit with Nance and Bender but historically it's in the upper half of the conference. Harshman just had the misfortune of coaching when the NCAA only took one PAC-8 team and UCLA was it.
History is a shit reason for keeping Romar. Better than Andy Russo is grasping.
UW coaches since 1921:
Hec Edmundson
UW Overall Record: 488-195
Conference Record: 258-130
Conference Championships: 12
Art McLarney
UW Overall Record: 53-36
Conference Record: 24-24
Conference Championships: 1
Tippy Dye
UW Overall Record: 156-91
Conference Record: 94-50
Conference Championships: 3
John Grayson
UW Overall Record: 57-49
Conference Record: 19-28
Conference Championships: 0
Mac Duckworth
UW Overall Record: 53-74
Conference Record: 24-47
Conference Championships: 0
Tex Winter
UW Overall Record: 45-35
Conference Record: 19-23
Conference Championships: 0
Marv Harshman
UW Overall Record: 246-146
Conference Record: 122-102
Conference Championships: 2
Andy Russo
UW Overall Record: 61-62
Conference Record: 36-36
Conference Championships: 0
Lynn Nance
UW Overall Record: 50-62
Conference Record: 22-50
Conference Championships: 0
Bob Bender
UW Overall Record: 116-142
Conference Record: 63-99
Conference Championships: 0
Lorenzo Romar (through 2016 season)
UW Overall Record: 281-159
Conference Record: 138-100
Conference Championships: 2 (Regular Season), 3 (Conference Tournament)
What we know about UW program:
1) There's plenty of talent in the greater Seattle area to serve as a foundation for a program provided the coach can keep the balance of the talent home ...
2) When we've had a good coach in place, the program as a whole has had reasonable success ... over an almost 100 year period we've won our conference 20 times ... from from terrible.
3) If you look through the history of the program, what stands out is that we're historically very bad when it comes to hiring coaches. It's very likely Romar will never have another HC job unless he goes to Missouri ... where he'll fall on his face there. Bender has never held a head coaching job after leaving Washington. Nance was never a HC again and Russo was a head coach only at lower levels. Harshman retired ... Tex Winter was hired to be HC of the Houston Rockets and had a lengthy and very successful coaching career. In the grand scheme of things, since the time that Tippy Dye left to become an AD, UW has made only 3 decent to good hires ... Winter, Harshman, and Romar ... Bender arguable.
UW as a whole isn't that complicated ... when we make good hires (regardless of the sport), we have the horsepower to compete at a high level. When we make uninspired hire, we suck.
Of course a good coach could win at UW. It's still a shit program until proven otherwise. No one on this board has seen UW make it past the Sweet 16 once.
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You're seriously counting Hec Edmunson's 12 titles? Jesus dude.
How dare you in any way diminish the greatness that is Clarence Sinclair Edmunson...
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The way people talk about romar he should be the President of a homeless mens shelter. "He hands out donuts and pizza", "He's always there to shake our hands", "He goes out of his way to talk to you on a personal level", "He's a good christian(#hesnotmychristian)", "He gives pimps and dealers second chances in life".
I would wager I haven't seen a game in half a decade where the announcers offered up information about something good Romar does on the basketball court.(*recruiting is not on the basketball court). It's always a stumble to defend him because he's so nice. It's almost like he's a retard and people feel the need to over compliment him so that you're not a douche for ripping the retard.
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I'm sick of the we've never been that great so we shouldn't expect much crowd. In my lifetime the program has generally underachieved but there is no reason with our resources, university, location and recruiting base that we shouldn't at least be in the top half of the conference every year. Hell, Colorado had only made the NCAAs 5 fucking times before Tad Boyle got there. And they've made it 4 out of his 6 years there.
It's all about the coach (no shit?). So who cares if we don't have Kentucky's history? If Wichita State can attract a top-tier coach who wants to be there, I'm pretty sure UW can also do so. -
So you are claiming UW sucks at hoops because the 3 coaches before Romar were various forms of bad hires that were never head coaches at a D1 or NBA level going forward as indicative that this is a shit program?
Let's not forget that Bender was a rebound away from an Elite 8 appearance and had done a decent job turning the program around until he pissed off the local AAU scene ...
Let's not forget that Romar had strong success by keeping the local talent home and recruiting has never really been the issue.
It's all coaching here ... get the right coach and this program can be very, very strong ...
Nobody is saying that the UW program needs to be better than UCLA or Arizona ... but there's also no reason why this program can't be at a level where it is consistently in position to make the NCAAs ... no reason to say 6 straight years of missing the NCAAs is acceptable -
If it is realistic to think UW can compete for Pac-12 championships in football every year and have a legitimate shot at a national title at least once a decade, the same is realistic to expect for hoops.
Romar should have been ass-door-out six years ago. There is no winning culture whatsoever and very few are demanding it. The mere fact that there is any kind of argument that Romar should come back next year is the only proof you need that UW is a pussy school when it comes to basketball.
Fuck, WSU expects more out of their hoops program than UW does. -
I can only speak for myself. This year, pregame Oregon we ran into LoRo and a buddy of his while they were cruising the Autzen parking lot.
I said, "Hey, LoRo" he waived, smiled and said, "Hey" as he kept walking. I thought, What a great guy. -
doogie said:
I can only speak for myself. This year, pregame Oregon we ran into LoRo and a buddy of his while they were cruising the Autzen parking lot.
I said, "Hey, LoRo" he waived, smiled and said, "Hey" as he kept walking. I thought, What a great guy.
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You completely miss the point as usual. We are saying the program sucks because it does. Nobody is saying that it can't be good. Not hard to realize the difference. Good coaches win, bad coaches lose. UW with the right coach will win. What an observation dumb ass.Tequilla said:So you are claiming UW sucks at hoops because the 3 coaches before Romar were various forms of bad hires that were never head coaches at a D1 or NBA level going forward as indicative that this is a shit program?
Let's not forget that Bender was a rebound away from an Elite 8 appearance and had done a decent job turning the program around until he pissed off the local AAU scene ...
Let's not forget that Romar had strong success by keeping the local talent home and recruiting has never really been the issue.
It's all coaching here ... get the right coach and this program can be very, very strong ...
Nobody is saying that the UW program needs to be better than UCLA or Arizona ... but there's also no reason why this program can't be at a level where it is consistently in position to make the NCAAs ... no reason to say 6 straight years of missing the NCAAs is acceptable
UW has won 5 conference championship since 1953. You're using Bob Bender as an example of a coach doing a decent job. But how is this a historically weak program? -
If Arizona can be a powerhouse in basketball, then so can Washington.
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It's Door.Ass.Out.TheHB said:If it is realistic to think UW can compete for Pac-12 championships in football every year and have a legitimate shot at a national title at least once a decade, the same is realistic to expect for hoops.
Romar should have been ass-door-out six years ago. There is no winning culture whatsoever and very few are demanding it. The mere fact that there is any kind of argument that Romar should come back next year is the only proof you need that UW is a pussy school when it comes to basketball.
Fuck, WSU expects more out of their hoops program than UW does.
Agree otherwise -
Doog new narrative, parroted from their leader:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It's Door.Ass.Out.TheHB said:If it is realistic to think UW can compete for Pac-12 championships in football every year and have a legitimate shot at a national title at least once a decade, the same is realistic to expect for hoops.
Romar should have been ass-door-out six years ago. There is no winning culture whatsoever and very few are demanding it. The mere fact that there is any kind of argument that Romar should come back next year is the only proof you need that UW is a pussy school when it comes to basketball.
Fuck, WSU expects more out of their hoops program than UW does.
Agree otherwise
We can't hire a successful mid major coach because it's easy to get to the tournament in their current conference. If he comes to the PAC-12, it's more difficult to make the tournament, so why would he come here?
It conveniently eliminates a good portion of candidates -
Wayne Fucking Tinkle went from Montana to take Oregon State to the tournamentMelloDawg said:
Doog new narrative, parroted from their leader:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It's Door.Ass.Out.TheHB said:If it is realistic to think UW can compete for Pac-12 championships in football every year and have a legitimate shot at a national title at least once a decade, the same is realistic to expect for hoops.
Romar should have been ass-door-out six years ago. There is no winning culture whatsoever and very few are demanding it. The mere fact that there is any kind of argument that Romar should come back next year is the only proof you need that UW is a pussy school when it comes to basketball.
Fuck, WSU expects more out of their hoops program than UW does.
Agree otherwise
We can't hire a successful mid major coach because it's easy to get to the tournament in their current conference. If he comes to the PAC-12, it's more difficult to make the tournament, so why would he come here?
It conveniently eliminates a good portion of candidates -
Until you point out the vast majority of mid-majors will only get a ticket to the tourney if they WIN their conference which in the power 5 is not the case.MelloDawg said:
Doog new narrative, parroted from their leader:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It's Door.Ass.Out.TheHB said:If it is realistic to think UW can compete for Pac-12 championships in football every year and have a legitimate shot at a national title at least once a decade, the same is realistic to expect for hoops.
Romar should have been ass-door-out six years ago. There is no winning culture whatsoever and very few are demanding it. The mere fact that there is any kind of argument that Romar should come back next year is the only proof you need that UW is a pussy school when it comes to basketball.
Fuck, WSU expects more out of their hoops program than UW does.
Agree otherwise
We can't hire a successful mid major coach because it's easy to get to the tournament in their current conference. If he comes to the PAC-12, it's more difficult to make the tournament, so why would he come here?
It conveniently eliminates a good portion of candidates
