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Manuel Allen, 2018 WR, Corona (Centennial), CA (OFFERED)

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  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    We can bitch all we want but blue bloods gonna blue blood. It's fucked up for those kids but when your basically corporate football your infallible.One day I hope UW can do this but I maybe wishful thinking.

    You don't have to do that to be competing at a high level ... we do it the way you're supposed to ... our problem is that we don't get enough of our A targets as I'd like.
    You're right but until we win at high level of constantly conference championship or better we are gonna hardcorehusky all over this shit .Do you really think the blue bloods do it the way they're supposed to do it.
    What's your standards?

    Starting in the 1920's, the number of conference championships that we've either won outright or shared the title for by decade as follows:

    1920s: 1
    1930s: 1
    1940s: 0
    1950s: 1
    1960s: 2
    1970s: 1
    1980s: 2
    1990s: 4
    2000s: 1
    2010s: 1
    Total: 14

    Over that time period, we finished 2nd in the conference 18 different times.

    That's not saying that we can't win at a consistently high level, but there's reason to be tempered about our success and knowing that we're always going to be going uphill against the LA schools. Just as a point of reference, over this time period, the number of conference/division titles by the LA schools:

    USC: 40
    UCLA: 19
    Why would you count division titles?
    In general, they are inconsequential to the numbers that I've produced ... but at this point in time, you have to win your division first to win the conference championship.

    My expectations for Pete are probably somewhere in the range of Pete winning the North 5 out of 10 years and then winning the conference 2 or 3 out of the 5 times he plays for the title game.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    We can bitch all we want but blue bloods gonna blue blood. It's fucked up for those kids but when your basically corporate football your infallible.One day I hope UW can do this but I maybe wishful thinking.

    You don't have to do that to be competing at a high level ... we do it the way you're supposed to ... our problem is that we don't get enough of our A targets as I'd like.
    You're right but until we win at high level of constantly conference championship or better we are gonna hardcorehusky all over this shit .Do you really think the blue bloods do it the way they're supposed to do it.
    What's your standards?

    Starting in the 1920's, the number of conference championships that we've either won outright or shared the title for by decade as follows:

    1920s: 1
    1930s: 1
    1940s: 0
    1950s: 1
    1960s: 2
    1970s: 1
    1980s: 2
    1990s: 4
    2000s: 1
    2010s: 1
    Total: 14

    Over that time period, we finished 2nd in the conference 18 different times.

    That's not saying that we can't win at a consistently high level, but there's reason to be tempered about our success and knowing that we're always going to be going uphill against the LA schools. Just as a point of reference, over this time period, the number of conference/division titles by the LA schools:

    USC: 40
    UCLA: 19
    don't forget 1916
    Or 1919
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,882

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    We can bitch all we want but blue bloods gonna blue blood. It's fucked up for those kids but when your basically corporate football your infallible.One day I hope UW can do this but I maybe wishful thinking.

    You don't have to do that to be competing at a high level ... we do it the way you're supposed to ... our problem is that we don't get enough of our A targets as I'd like.
    You're right but until we win at high level of constantly conference championship or better we are gonna hardcorehusky all over this shit .Do you really think the blue bloods do it the way they're supposed to do it.
    What's your standards?

    Starting in the 1920's, the number of conference championships that we've either won outright or shared the title for by decade as follows:

    1920s: 1
    1930s: 1
    1940s: 0
    1950s: 1
    1960s: 2
    1970s: 1
    1980s: 2
    1990s: 4
    2000s: 1
    2010s: 1
    Total: 14

    Over that time period, we finished 2nd in the conference 18 different times.

    That's not saying that we can't win at a consistently high level, but there's reason to be tempered about our success and knowing that we're always going to be going uphill against the LA schools. Just as a point of reference, over this time period, the number of conference/division titles by the LA schools:

    USC: 40
    UCLA: 19
    Listing championships by decades makes UW's success look evenly distributed but not sustainable. In reality the conference championships have come in bursts.

    1937-1958: None
    1959-1963: 3
    1964-1976: none
    1977-1981: 3
    1982-1989: none
    1990-1995: 4
    1996-2015: Dreck other than one magical season in 2000

    2016-?: ?

    Looks to me like we might be in the early stages of a run of championships.
    What it definitely tells me is that IF we have the right coach in place, we can definitely win at a high level ...

    But unlike a school like USC where you can have corpses like Ted Tollner or John Robinson (his 2nd tenure) in charge, we really need just about everything lined up working well for us to be competitive at the highest levels.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nurple said:

    We can bitch all we want but blue bloods gonna blue blood. It's fucked up for those kids but when your basically corporate football your infallible.One day I hope UW can do this but I maybe wishful thinking.

    You don't have to do that to be competing at a high level ... we do it the way you're supposed to ... our problem is that we don't get enough of our A targets as I'd like.
    You're right but until we win at high level of constantly conference championship or better we are gonna hardcorehusky all over this shit .Do you really think the blue bloods do it the way they're supposed to do it.
    What's your standards?

    Starting in the 1920's, the number of conference championships that we've either won outright or shared the title for by decade as follows:

    1920s: 1
    1930s: 1
    1940s: 0
    1950s: 1
    1960s: 2
    1970s: 1
    1980s: 2
    1990s: 4
    2000s: 1
    2010s: 1
    Total: 14

    Over that time period, we finished 2nd in the conference 18 different times.

    That's not saying that we can't win at a consistently high level, but there's reason to be tempered about our success and knowing that we're always going to be going uphill against the LA schools. Just as a point of reference, over this time period, the number of conference/division titles by the LA schools:

    USC: 40
    UCLA: 19
    Why would you count division titles?
    In general, they are inconsequential to the numbers that I've produced ... but at this point in time, you have to win your division first to win the conference championship.

    My expectations for Pete are probably somewhere in the range of Pete winning the North 5 out of 10 years and then winning the conference 2 or 3 out of the 5 times he plays for the title game.
    I'd be disappointed if Pete only wins the conference two years out of ten. That might be doogalistic, but 3 out 10 is my minimum expectation. And winning the north 6 or 7 times out of 10.
  • Ice_HolmvikIce_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsiCokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I can think of 4 players on the west coast that we have a legit shot at that I'd like more than him. Osborne, Spiker, Chase Williams, Mike Wilson. I just don't think he is like those guys.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    edited February 2017

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I think we thought we were dialed in on Ozzy and Spiker, so we dropped back a bit. We would've never beat USC for him.

    I bet USC told him to look around.

    He's good... but he's not AMAZING.
    So, synthesizing a few things you've* said I have your west coast WR bored looking like this:

    1. Jalen Hall (going to USC)
    2/3. Osbourne/Spiker (not sure how you have them ordered)
    4. Michael Wilson
    5. Chase Williams

    Is Allen number six, or are there others who slot above him?





    *Some of that may have come from Coker, but I always just assume you two share a TBS brain.
  • NEsnake12NEsnake12 Member Posts: 3,792
    dnc said:

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I think we thought we were dialed in on Ozzy and Spiker, so we dropped back a bit. We would've never beat USC for him.

    I bet USC told him to look around.

    He's good... but he's not AMAZING.
    So, synthesizing a few things you've* said I have your west coast WR bored looking like this:

    1. Jalen Hall (going to USC)
    2/3. Osbourne/Spiker (not sure how you have them ordered)
    4. Michael Wilson
    5. Chase Williams

    Is Allen number six, or are there others who slot above him?





    *Some of that may have come from Coker, but I always just assume you two share a TBS brain.
    Jalen Hall is overrated, and you forgot Amon-Ra.

    I think DDY and Coker both said that they think Osborne/Spiker are the top 2 on the West coast this year.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745
    NEsnake12 said:

    dnc said:

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I think we thought we were dialed in on Ozzy and Spiker, so we dropped back a bit. We would've never beat USC for him.

    I bet USC told him to look around.

    He's good... but he's not AMAZING.
    So, synthesizing a few things you've* said I have your west coast WR bored looking like this:

    1. Jalen Hall (going to USC)
    2/3. Osbourne/Spiker (not sure how you have them ordered)
    4. Michael Wilson
    5. Chase Williams

    Is Allen number six, or are there others who slot above him?





    *Some of that may have come from Coker, but I always just assume you two share a TBS brain.
    Jalen Hall is overrated, and you forgot Amon-Ra.

    I think DDY and Coker both said that they think Osborne/Spiker are the top 2 on the West coast this year.
    I didn't forget Amon-Ra, DDY said he loves his name but not his game.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    dnc said:

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I think we thought we were dialed in on Ozzy and Spiker, so we dropped back a bit. We would've never beat USC for him.

    I bet USC told him to look around.

    He's good... but he's not AMAZING.
    So, synthesizing a few things you've* said I have your west coast WR bored looking like this:

    1. Jalen Hall (going to USC)
    2/3. Osbourne/Spiker (not sure how you have them ordered)
    4. Michael Wilson
    5. Chase Williams

    Is Allen number six, or are there others who slot above him?





    *Some of that may have come from Coker, but I always just assume you two share a TBS brain.
    I would do it more in tiers:

    Tier 1
    Osborne, Spiker, Hall, Devon Williams from Antelope Valley if he plays WR (kid is unreal)

    Tier 2:
    Wilson, Williams, St. Brown, Chase Cota

    Tier 3:
    Others
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,745

    dnc said:

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I think we thought we were dialed in on Ozzy and Spiker, so we dropped back a bit. We would've never beat USC for him.

    I bet USC told him to look around.

    He's good... but he's not AMAZING.
    So, synthesizing a few things you've* said I have your west coast WR bored looking like this:

    1. Jalen Hall (going to USC)
    2/3. Osbourne/Spiker (not sure how you have them ordered)
    4. Michael Wilson
    5. Chase Williams

    Is Allen number six, or are there others who slot above him?





    *Some of that may have come from Coker, but I always just assume you two share a TBS brain.
    I would do it more in tiers:

    Tier 1
    Osborne, Spiker, Hall, Devon Williams from Antelope Valley if he plays WR (kid is unreal)

    Tier 2:
    Wilson, Williams, St. Brown, Chase Cota

    Tier 3:
    Others
    I know you've said Spiker = @BornSinner, so he's obviously Tier 1 comparable. If they were this year's recruits would Cook and Bynum be tier 2?
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I think we thought we were dialed in on Ozzy and Spiker, so we dropped back a bit. We would've never beat USC for him.

    I bet USC told him to look around.

    He's good... but he's not AMAZING.
    So, synthesizing a few things you've* said I have your west coast WR bored looking like this:

    1. Jalen Hall (going to USC)
    2/3. Osbourne/Spiker (not sure how you have them ordered)
    4. Michael Wilson
    5. Chase Williams

    Is Allen number six, or are there others who slot above him?





    *Some of that may have come from Coker, but I always just assume you two share a TBS brain.
    I would do it more in tiers:

    Tier 1
    Osborne, Spiker, Hall, Devon Williams from Antelope Valley if he plays WR (kid is unreal)

    Tier 2:
    Wilson, Williams, St. Brown, Chase Cota

    Tier 3:
    Others
    I know you've said Spiker = @BornSinner, so he's obviously Tier 1 comparable. If they were this year's recruits would Cook and Bynum be tier 2?
    Yeah, exactly. Tier 1 means like dudes that are SUPER BALLERS. Tier 2 is guys I really, really like, but obviously not in the tip top group.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    NEsnake12 said:

    dnc said:

    This kid was all UW before committing to SC. Maybe our staff wasnt very high on him?

    I think we thought we were dialed in on Ozzy and Spiker, so we dropped back a bit. We would've never beat USC for him.

    I bet USC told him to look around.

    He's good... but he's not AMAZING.
    So, synthesizing a few things you've* said I have your west coast WR bored looking like this:

    1. Jalen Hall (going to USC)
    2/3. Osbourne/Spiker (not sure how you have them ordered)
    4. Michael Wilson
    5. Chase Williams

    Is Allen number six, or are there others who slot above him?





    *Some of that may have come from Coker, but I always just assume you two share a TBS brain.
    Jalen Hall is overrated, and you forgot Amon-Ra.

    I think DDY and Coker both said that they think Osborne/Spiker are the top 2 on the West coast this year.
    I didn't forget Amon-Ra, DDY said he loves his name but not his game.
    I want Amon-Ra to come here solely to hear this song in Husky Stadium.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqzF6hXACho
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    edited April 2017
    So, he's committed for the second time... this time to Neb and their drunk-driving, hard-crootin' WR coach Keith Williams (who is responsible for the hashtag #CaliBraska).
  • GladstoneGladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    calibraska? lol
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    Gladstone said:

    calibraska? lol

    Kids fall for anything...
    image
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,998 Founders Club
    Keyshawn junior is at Nebraska
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