It will be very interesting to see what Pete does. Right now we have one dynamic recruiter on staff in Jimmy "god" Lake, who there is a better than 50% chance won't be on staff next year.
Does Pete look for a alpha recruiter who he thinks he can mold/turn into a better wr or other position coach down the road, or does he go for the best coach he can find, with the feeling that the on field results will speak for themselves in recruits eyes?
From a recruiting standpoint, as the TSIO guys said, I see a lot of "par" coaches on this staff, one ace, and then Strausser and Smith.
You need more than one guy who connects with the kids in a way that they are excited and can't wait to get here, and besides Lake, to rip off the phrase, the rest of the coaches are "old, fat and white".
PS: Tequilla's breakdown of the staff and specifically how important Socha is, can't be understated. Tim Socha is that valuable to this program
ESPN had a story about Ohio State, and Urban Meyer essentially said his s/c coach holds the keys to the car, as he turns the kids over to him in January, and outside the 20 spring practices they get, their his until he gets them back in August for fall camp.
My only hard complaint about losing Hamdan is that we still have Smith. From that standpoint it's bullshit. Also, Pete isn't immune from making shitty hires, so it's not like we are guaranteed to upgrade or even have the same caliber of WR coach as Hamdan.
Hopefully he makes a good hire, and not Pease 2.0.
The WR's were much improved. The real area he will be missed is recruiting.
Was Hamdan really that good? Or was Pease just really that bad? Pettis is a fucking freak in the air and great at returning punts. I'm not sure either can be coached. And Ross was fucking Ross and as we witnessed, speed kills. We had a lot of short, under-thrown balls by our QB that required improvisation and adjustments that struck me as outside the routes in the playbook this year. So, while Hamdan appeared to be much improved over Pease, how do we know how much was him versus his players? Given only 1 year, I'm not convinced Hamdan was the major factor in the improved WR play, so I'm optimistic.
John Ross couldn't run a route before this year. On offense was a two trick pony - fly route, or bubble screen. He spends a year with Hamdan and suddenly he can run the whole route tree.
Pettis wasn't a freak in the air as a sophomore, he was mostly shit. Suddenly as a junior he's a badass.
Then you add in solid contributions from McLatcher and Aaron Fucking Fuller, and even decent moments from Baccelia, and it's hard to deny Hamdan was a miracle worker.
WDWHA if you want too, just be honest that you're dooging.
My only hard complaint about losing Hamdan is that we still have Smith. From that standpoint it's bullshit. Also, Pete isn't immune from making shitty hires, so it's not like we are guaranteed to upgrade or even have the same caliber of WR coach as Hamdan.
Hopefully he makes a good hire, and not Pease 2.0.
The WR's were much improved. The real area he will be missed is recruiting.
Was Hamdan really that good? Or was Pease just really that bad? Pettis is a fucking freak in the air and great at returning punts. I'm not sure either can be coached. And Ross was fucking Ross and as we witnessed, speed kills. We had a lot of short, under-thrown balls by our QB that required improvisation and adjustments that struck me as outside the routes in the playbook this year. So, while Hamdan appeared to be much improved over Pease, how do we know how much was him versus his players? Given only 1 year, I'm not convinced Hamdan was the major factor in the improved WR play, so I'm optimistic.
All you need to look at is the difference in blocking last year.
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
The odds are strongly in favor of a dropoff. Petersen "got" Pease, too. Chances are the next hire will be somewhere in between.
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
The odds are strongly in favor of a dropoff. Petersen "got" Pease, too. Chances are the next hire will be somewhere in between.
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
Dude that is fucking doog bullshit. Chris is not immune from making fucking mistakes. Pease was peterman mistake so is fucking babushka.
Pretty crazy. Wish Petersen would have fired Smith and made Bush OC once he heard the news.
On a side note, are any doogs going to cry about Hamadan taking Jones, Bynum, Cook, and Osborne for a ride like you guys do about other schools' assistant leaving after NSD?
I would be fucking furious if I was Ty Jones.
I'm hearing Sark was a factor.
I'm also hearing a transfer is in order. Look for him to be making grabs on the Inferno in Cheney before his transfer to SC
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
Dude that is fucking doog bullshit. Chris is not immune from making fucking mistakes. Pease was peterman mistake so is fucking babushka.
Who the fuck said he was immune from making mistakes? I hate babushka a hundred times more than you and probably more than anyone else on these boreds. And I hate Peterson's tolerance of him. Period. But the same guy who tolerates Smiffy also hired your hero and bff Hamdan, so he's shown he can make great hires, too.
This iron-clad conclusion that there is no way but backwards and that we are 100% certain to see a drop-off at WR because of Hamdan's promotion to the NFL is absurd, baseless, and counter-dooging 101. As if Peterson is incapable of appreciating the improvement at WR with Hamdan and is conducting a blind, mindless search for a replacement, completely in the dark, utilizing nothing he's learned over the past 3 years as HC. Right. Sure. Place your bets on that. Christ.
It's a weird move. I wonder how much more of a pay raise he will be getting. What is he going to possibly teach Matt Ryan who won MVP last year and is older than him?
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
The odds are strongly in favor of a dropoff. Petersen "got" Pease, too. Chances are the next hire will be somewhere in between.
Of course that's the worry, but there's no evidence to suggest that outcome versus any other. Pete saw Pease was a fuckup and replaced him with a good coach in Hamdan, so his track record is trending positive.
If we're going to speculate in an effort to prepare ourselves for the worst, emotionally, because we're still so used to low expectations in our program and the ulcers that go along with them, which explains much of what's going on here, the better bet is not right smack in the middle between Pease and Hamdan, but something a lot closer to Hamdan, who "raised the bar" at WR.
Although I'll concede defeat on the point right this second if he hires Sling-blade.
It's a weird move. I wonder how much more of a pay raise he will be getting. What is he going to possibly teach Matt Ryan who won MVP last year and is older than him?
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
The odds are strongly in favor of a dropoff. Petersen "got" Pease, too. Chances are the next hire will be somewhere in between.
Of course that's the worry, but there's no evidence to suggest that outcome versus any other. Pete saw Pease was a fuckup and replaced him with a good coach in Hamdan, so his track record is trending positive.
If we're going to speculate in an effort to prepare ourselves for the worst, emotionally, because we're still so used to low expectations in our program and the ulcers that go along with them, which explains much of what's going on here, the better bet is not right smack in the middle between Pease and Hamdan, but something a lot closer to Hamdan, who "raised the bar" at WR.
Although I'll concede defeat on the point right this second if he hires Sling-blade.
Stop. No one's "preparing for the worst". Preparing for the worst is "we're gonna get Pease again". Basically everyone thinks the new hire will be better than Pease. Common sense says the hire is unlikely to be as productive as Bush was last year. That sucks. It's not the end of the world and doesn't mean we? can't still kick ass next season.
My only hard complaint about losing Hamdan is that we still have Smith. From that standpoint it's bullshit. Also, Pete isn't immune from making shitty hires, so it's not like we are guaranteed to upgrade or even have the same caliber of WR coach as Hamdan.
Hopefully he makes a good hire, and not Pease 2.0.
The WR's were much improved. The real area he will be missed is recruiting.
Was Hamdan really that good? Or was Pease just really that bad? Pettis is a fucking freak in the air and great at returning punts. I'm not sure either can be coached. And Ross was fucking Ross and as we witnessed, speed kills. We had a lot of short, under-thrown balls by our QB that required improvisation and adjustments that struck me as outside the routes in the playbook this year. So, while Hamdan appeared to be much improved over Pease, how do we know how much was him versus his players? Given only 1 year, I'm not convinced Hamdan was the major factor in the improved WR play, so I'm optimistic.
WHAT
the difference between pease and hamdan on all fronts was fucking breathtaking
am i being whooshed
Sort of. I agree the WR play was much better this year and the gap between Hamdan and Pease looked huge, but if Pease was terrible - as I think he was - then an average or decent coach looks great in comparison. Plus factoring in the unique and substantial talents of Ross and Pettis raises the question: How much of that was solely the effect of coaching? Reminder: Ross didn't play last year.
Ross wasn't that good prior to this year. Talented yes, but not super productive. Small sample size like you said but pettis wasn't that great prior also.
Ross would also tell you that the year away made him study the game in a way that he never had before
In other words, prior he was all about his speed with no real idea for incorporating the nuances ... after he learned the nuances and incorporated
My only hard complaint about losing Hamdan is that we still have Smith. From that standpoint it's bullshit. Also, Pete isn't immune from making shitty hires, so it's not like we are guaranteed to upgrade or even have the same caliber of WR coach as Hamdan.
Hopefully he makes a good hire, and not Pease 2.0.
The WR's were much improved. The real area he will be missed is recruiting.
Was Hamdan really that good? Or was Pease just really that bad? Pettis is a fucking freak in the air and great at returning punts. I'm not sure either can be coached. And Ross was fucking Ross and as we witnessed, speed kills. We had a lot of short, under-thrown balls by our QB that required improvisation and adjustments that struck me as outside the routes in the playbook this year. So, while Hamdan appeared to be much improved over Pease, how do we know how much was him versus his players? Given only 1 year, I'm not convinced Hamdan was the major factor in the improved WR play, so I'm optimistic.
WHAT
the difference between pease and hamdan on all fronts was fucking breathtaking
am i being whooshed
Sort of. I agree the WR play was much better this year and the gap between Hamdan and Pease looked huge, but if Pease was terrible - as I think he was - then an average or decent coach looks great in comparison. Plus factoring in the unique and substantial talents of Ross and Pettis raises the question: How much of that was solely the effect of coaching? Reminder: Ross didn't play last year.
Ross wasn't that good prior to this year. Talented yes, but not super productive. Small sample size like you said but pettis wasn't that great prior also.
Ross would also tell you that the year away made him study the game in a way that he never had before
In other words, prior he was all about his speed with no real idea for incorporating the nuances ... after he learned the nuances and incorporated
My only hard complaint about losing Hamdan is that we still have Smith. From that standpoint it's bullshit. Also, Pete isn't immune from making shitty hires, so it's not like we are guaranteed to upgrade or even have the same caliber of WR coach as Hamdan.
Hopefully he makes a good hire, and not Pease 2.0.
The WR's were much improved. The real area he will be missed is recruiting.
Was Hamdan really that good? Or was Pease just really that bad? Pettis is a fucking freak in the air and great at returning punts. I'm not sure either can be coached. And Ross was fucking Ross and as we witnessed, speed kills. We had a lot of short, under-thrown balls by our QB that required improvisation and adjustments that struck me as outside the routes in the playbook this year. So, while Hamdan appeared to be much improved over Pease, how do we know how much was him versus his players? Given only 1 year, I'm not convinced Hamdan was the major factor in the improved WR play, so I'm optimistic.
WHAT
the difference between pease and hamdan on all fronts was fucking breathtaking
am i being whooshed
Sort of. I agree the WR play was much better this year and the gap between Hamdan and Pease looked huge, but if Pease was terrible - as I think he was - then an average or decent coach looks great in comparison. Plus factoring in the unique and substantial talents of Ross and Pettis raises the question: How much of that was solely the effect of coaching? Reminder: Ross didn't play last year.
Ross wasn't that good prior to this year. Talented yes, but not super productive. Small sample size like you said but pettis wasn't that great prior also.
Ross would also tell you that the year away made him study the game in a way that he never had before
In other words, prior he was all about his speed with no real idea for incorporating the nuances ... after he learned the nuances and incorporated
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Does Pete look for a alpha recruiter who he thinks he can mold/turn into a better wr or other position coach down the road, or does he go for the best coach he can find, with the feeling that the on field results will speak for themselves in recruits eyes?
From a recruiting standpoint, as the TSIO guys said, I see a lot of "par" coaches on this staff, one ace, and then Strausser and Smith.
You need more than one guy who connects with the kids in a way that they are excited and can't wait to get here, and besides Lake, to rip off the phrase, the rest of the coaches are "old, fat and white".
PS: Tequilla's breakdown of the staff and specifically how important Socha is, can't be understated. Tim Socha is that valuable to this program
ESPN had a story about Ohio State, and Urban Meyer essentially said his s/c coach holds the keys to the car, as he turns the kids over to him in January, and outside the 20 spring practices they get, their his until he gets them back in August for fall camp.
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/blog/article-1/Falcons-Finalize-Coaching-Hires-/f43946b4-deb5-459c-b0d9-f286f60a2219
Pettis wasn't a freak in the air as a sophomore, he was mostly shit. Suddenly as a junior he's a badass.
Then you add in solid contributions from McLatcher and Aaron Fucking Fuller, and even decent moments from Baccelia, and it's hard to deny Hamdan was a miracle worker.
WDWHA if you want too, just be honest that you're dooging.
He'll be missed.
Hopefully and quite possibly not, and definitely not for certain. WR is not a rocket science coaching position. Hamdan was good and a huge improvement over Pease. But LIPO. If Pete could get Hamdan, I'm confident he can find a suitable replacement.
As UW ascends, we're going to see good coaches go elsewhere every year. We need to get used to this and not shit our britches every time this happens.
I'm also hearing a transfer is in order. Look for him to be making grabs on the Inferno in Cheney before his transfer to SC
This iron-clad conclusion that there is no way but backwards and that we are 100% certain to see a drop-off at WR because of Hamdan's promotion to the NFL is absurd, baseless, and counter-dooging 101. As if Peterson is incapable of appreciating the improvement at WR with Hamdan and is conducting a blind, mindless search for a replacement, completely in the dark, utilizing nothing he's learned over the past 3 years as HC. Right. Sure. Place your bets on that. Christ.
If we're going to speculate in an effort to prepare ourselves for the worst, emotionally, because we're still so used to low expectations in our program and the ulcers that go along with them, which explains much of what's going on here, the better bet is not right smack in the middle between Pease and Hamdan, but something a lot closer to Hamdan, who "raised the bar" at WR.
Although I'll concede defeat on the point right this second if he hires Sling-blade.
How to Audible to a running play????
In other words, prior he was all about his speed with no real idea for incorporating the nuances ... after he learned the nuances and incorporated