SEC has four teams in the Top 25

Fire_Marshall_Bill

One team in the Top 10

doogie

SEC sucks

Big 10/ PAC 12 same as always was

TierbsHsotBoobs

Kiss another ring bitch.

dnc

SEC has four teams in the Top 25

So does the Pac

Mosster47

The Pac-12 is better this year than it has been for quite some time.

If Sefo doesn't go down in Ann Arbor they finish that game off and you have two 11-1 teams in the CCG. That's essentially swapping UW and CU for what Oregon ans Stanford have been over the last sevenish years.

The best team in the conference today isn't even in the CCG. When has that ever happened before? Hasn't all or most of the CCG's had a gimme of UCLA or Arizona in it?

Wazzu is as good as they have been since Doba's first year. Stanford still has 8 or 9 wins. Utah has 8 or 9 wins.

Sure, the Oregons, Cal, the Arizonas, and UCLA are hot garbage but so were the Washingtons, CU, Cal, and USC to an extent the last sevenish years.

There are three teams right now that could play with any team in the nation in the conference today. It has been a long time since that was a reality at the end of the season. 2000 maybe?

AIRWOLF

Mosster47 said:

The Pac-12 is better this year than it has been for quite some time.

If Sefo doesn't go down in Ann Arbor they finish that game off and you have two 11-1 teams in the CCG. That's essentially swapping UW and CU for what Oregon ans Stanford have been over the last sevenish years.

The best team in the conference today isn't even in the CCG. When has that ever happened before? Hasn't all or most of the CCG's had a gimme of UCLA or Arizona in it?

Wazzu is as good as they have been since Doba's first year. Stanford still has 8 or 9 wins. Utah has 8 or 9 wins.

Sure, the Oregons, Cal, the Arizonas, and UCLA are hot garbage but so were the Washingtons, CU, Cal, and USC to an extent the last sevenish years.

There are three teams right now that could play with any team in the nation in the conference today. It has been a long time since that was a reality at the end of the season. 2000 maybe?

Generally agree.

SEC West is far and away the best division in FBS because Bama is in it. The rest of the SEC West is pretty decent though. But the SEC East is a joke.

Sagarin Conf ratings bear this out.

TierbsHsotBoobs

AIRWOLF said:

Mosster47 said:

The Pac-12 is better this year than it has been for quite some time.

If Sefo doesn't go down in Ann Arbor they finish that game off and you have two 11-1 teams in the CCG. That's essentially swapping UW and CU for what Oregon ans Stanford have been over the last sevenish years.

The best team in the conference today isn't even in the CCG. When has that ever happened before? Hasn't all or most of the CCG's had a gimme of UCLA or Arizona in it?

Wazzu is as good as they have been since Doba's first year. Stanford still has 8 or 9 wins. Utah has 8 or 9 wins.

Sure, the Oregons, Cal, the Arizonas, and UCLA are hot garbage but so were the Washingtons, CU, Cal, and USC to an extent the last sevenish years.

There are three teams right now that could play with any team in the nation in the conference today. It has been a long time since that was a reality at the end of the season. 2000 maybe?

Generally agree.

SEC West is far and away the best division in FBS because Bama is in it. The rest of the SEC West is pretty decent though. But the SEC East is a joke.

Sagarin Conf ratings bear this out.

Sagarin has an irrational love of the Pac-12.

Half of the Pac-12 North is Oregon, Oregon State, and Cal. No fucking way is that division better than the B1G East.

I'd also take the ACC Coastal over the Pac 12 North.

AIRWOLF

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

AIRWOLF said:

Mosster47 said:

The Pac-12 is better this year than it has been for quite some time.

If Sefo doesn't go down in Ann Arbor they finish that game off and you have two 11-1 teams in the CCG. That's essentially swapping UW and CU for what Oregon ans Stanford have been over the last sevenish years.

The best team in the conference today isn't even in the CCG. When has that ever happened before? Hasn't all or most of the CCG's had a gimme of UCLA or Arizona in it?

Wazzu is as good as they have been since Doba's first year. Stanford still has 8 or 9 wins. Utah has 8 or 9 wins.

Sure, the Oregons, Cal, the Arizonas, and UCLA are hot garbage but so were the Washingtons, CU, Cal, and USC to an extent the last sevenish years.

There are three teams right now that could play with any team in the nation in the conference today. It has been a long time since that was a reality at the end of the season. 2000 maybe?

Generally agree.

SEC West is far and away the best division in FBS because Bama is in it. The rest of the SEC West is pretty decent though. But the SEC East is a joke.

Sagarin Conf ratings bear this out.

Sagarin has an irrational love of the Pac-12.

Half of the Pac-12 North is Oregon, Oregon State, and Cal. No fucking way is that division better than the B1G East.

I'd also take the ACC Coastal over the Pac 12 North.

Maryland, Michigan State and Rutgers...
Indiana is a step above those three, but several steps behind PSU.

RaceBannon

52-6

EwaDawg

Make up your mind, Boobs.

I seem to remember you saying (after watching the pillowfight in Columbus) that tOSU and Michigan would be average teams in the P12 North.

Ergo, if your best teams are average - you are not good.


HTH

TierbsHsotBoobs

AIRWOLF said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

AIRWOLF said:

Mosster47 said:

The Pac-12 is better this year than it has been for quite some time.

If Sefo doesn't go down in Ann Arbor they finish that game off and you have two 11-1 teams in the CCG. That's essentially swapping UW and CU for what Oregon ans Stanford have been over the last sevenish years.

The best team in the conference today isn't even in the CCG. When has that ever happened before? Hasn't all or most of the CCG's had a gimme of UCLA or Arizona in it?

Wazzu is as good as they have been since Doba's first year. Stanford still has 8 or 9 wins. Utah has 8 or 9 wins.

Sure, the Oregons, Cal, the Arizonas, and UCLA are hot garbage but so were the Washingtons, CU, Cal, and USC to an extent the last sevenish years.

There are three teams right now that could play with any team in the nation in the conference today. It has been a long time since that was a reality at the end of the season. 2000 maybe?

Generally agree.

SEC West is far and away the best division in FBS because Bama is in it. The rest of the SEC West is pretty decent though. But the SEC East is a joke.

Sagarin Conf ratings bear this out.

Sagarin has an irrational love of the Pac-12.

Half of the Pac-12 North is Oregon, Oregon State, and Cal. No fucking way is that division better than the B1G East.

I'd also take the ACC Coastal over the Pac 12 North.

Maryland, Michigan State and Rutgers...
Indiana is a step above those three, but several steps behind PSU.

Take out the middle team (Indiana) and compare head to head:

Washington is probably better than Penn State
LOL Ohio State destroys Cuog
Harbaugh bitchslaps Shaw

In the who cares half:
Maryland slightly better than Oregon State
Michigan State v Cal is a toss up
Oregon destroys Rutgers


I'm calling it 3-2 for the B1G East, but the difference at the top half really matters. Sagarin fucking stupid lets Rutgers drag down the whole division more than it should.

Most importantly, three B1G East teams could have gone 5-0 against the North like Washington did.

BearsWiin

EwaDawg said:

Make up your mind, Boobs.

I seem to remember you saying (after watching the pillowfight in Columbus) that tOSU and Michigan would be average teams in the P12 North.

I seem to remember him saying the same thing.

BennyBeaver

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

AIRWOLF said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

AIRWOLF said:

Mosster47 said:

The Pac-12 is better this year than it has been for quite some time.

If Sefo doesn't go down in Ann Arbor they finish that game off and you have two 11-1 teams in the CCG. That's essentially swapping UW and CU for what Oregon ans Stanford have been over the last sevenish years.

The best team in the conference today isn't even in the CCG. When has that ever happened before? Hasn't all or most of the CCG's had a gimme of UCLA or Arizona in it?

Wazzu is as good as they have been since Doba's first year. Stanford still has 8 or 9 wins. Utah has 8 or 9 wins.

Sure, the Oregons, Cal, the Arizonas, and UCLA are hot garbage but so were the Washingtons, CU, Cal, and USC to an extent the last sevenish years.

There are three teams right now that could play with any team in the nation in the conference today. It has been a long time since that was a reality at the end of the season. 2000 maybe?

Generally agree.

SEC West is far and away the best division in FBS because Bama is in it. The rest of the SEC West is pretty decent though. But the SEC East is a joke.

Sagarin Conf ratings bear this out.

Sagarin has an irrational love of the Pac-12.

Half of the Pac-12 North is Oregon, Oregon State, and Cal. No fucking way is that division better than the B1G East.

I'd also take the ACC Coastal over the Pac 12 North.

Maryland, Michigan State and Rutgers...
Indiana is a step above those three, but several steps behind PSU.

Take out the middle team (Indiana) and compare head to head:

Washington is probably better than Penn State MAYBE
LOL Ohio State destroys Cuog SURE
Harbaugh bitchslaps Shaw MAYBE

In the who cares half:
Maryland slightly better than Oregon State NO.
Michigan State v Cal is a toss up NO.
Oregon destroys Rutgers YES.


I'm calling it 3-2 for the B1G East, but the difference at the top half really matters. Sagarin fucking stupid lets Rutgers drag down the whole division more than it should.

Most importantly, three B1G East teams could have gone 5-0 against the North like Washington did.

The who cares half is just as important and the other when you are looking at the total.

Stop sucking off Harballs.

Get your own ranking system, then pop off.

RaceBannon

Stanford would love to play Michigan. Its a wheelhouse game for the Card Indians

USC could at least play with Ohio State if not win. That shows the gulf between Bama and everyone else

AIRWOLF

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

AIRWOLF said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

AIRWOLF said:

Mosster47 said:

The Pac-12 is better this year than it has been for quite some time.

If Sefo doesn't go down in Ann Arbor they finish that game off and you have two 11-1 teams in the CCG. That's essentially swapping UW and CU for what Oregon ans Stanford have been over the last sevenish years.

The best team in the conference today isn't even in the CCG. When has that ever happened before? Hasn't all or most of the CCG's had a gimme of UCLA or Arizona in it?

Wazzu is as good as they have been since Doba's first year. Stanford still has 8 or 9 wins. Utah has 8 or 9 wins.

Sure, the Oregons, Cal, the Arizonas, and UCLA are hot garbage but so were the Washingtons, CU, Cal, and USC to an extent the last sevenish years.

There are three teams right now that could play with any team in the nation in the conference today. It has been a long time since that was a reality at the end of the season. 2000 maybe?

Generally agree.

SEC West is far and away the best division in FBS because Bama is in it. The rest of the SEC West is pretty decent though. But the SEC East is a joke.

Sagarin Conf ratings bear this out.

Sagarin has an irrational love of the Pac-12.

Half of the Pac-12 North is Oregon, Oregon State, and Cal. No fucking way is that division better than the B1G East.

I'd also take the ACC Coastal over the Pac 12 North.

Maryland, Michigan State and Rutgers...
Indiana is a step above those three, but several steps behind PSU.

Take out the middle team (Indiana) and compare head to head:

Washington is probably better than Penn State
LOL Ohio State destroys Cuog
Harbaugh bitchslaps Shaw

In the who cares half:
Maryland slightly better than Oregon State
Michigan State v Cal is a toss up
Oregon destroys Rutgers


I'm calling it 3-2 for the B1G East, but the difference at the top half really matters. Sagarin fucking stupid lets Rutgers drag down the whole division more than it should.

Most importantly, three B1G East teams could have gone 5-0 against the North like Washington did.

The Sagarin Ratings predicted 73% of all games correctly and had a 2% edge ATS. That's pretty good.

ESPN's FPI did even better ATS, with an edge of over 3%.

Here are the averages per FPI:

SEC W 16.27
SEC 11.46
P12 N 10.57
ACC A 10.54
P12 9.93
ACC 9.51
P12 S 9.28
B1G E 9.20
ACC C 8.49
BXII 8.36
B1G 7.36
SEC E 6.66
B1G W 5.51

On average, the SEC is the best conference and the SEC West is by far the best division. But that is 100% due to the outlier effect of Bama. If you take the median (a good way to limit the outlier effect) FPI ratings for the SEC and the Pac 12, they are virtually identical (the Pac-12's is actually slightly higher).

Mosster47

RaceBannon said:

Stanford would love to play Michigan. Its a wheelhouse game for the Card Indians

USC could at least play with Ohio State if not win. That shows the gulf between Bama and everyone else

Absolutely. Bama is 2004 USC good. No one is even close to them.

When USC was incredible the perception was the Pac-10 was awful. When Bama is incredible the SEC is awesome. Both are wrong.

BearsWiin

Mosster47 said:

RaceBannon said:

Stanford would love to play Michigan. Its a wheelhouse game for the Card Indians

USC could at least play with Ohio State if not win. That shows the gulf between Bama and everyone else

Absolutely. Bama is 2004 USC good. No one is even close to them.

When USC was incredible the perception was the Pac-10 was awful. When Bama is incredible the SEC is awesome. Both are wrong.

Cal was most definitely "close" to USC in 2004. Cal outgained USC's vaunted offensive juggernaut 424-205 and was in a position to wiin the game with 1st&goal at USC's 9 with 1:30 left, then Aaron Rodgers threw an incomplete pass to Noah Smith in the right corner of the end zone, had a shovel pass play to Arrington blown up for a sack, threw a potential TD pass through Geoff McArthur's hands, then threw to a wide open spot in the end zone where Johnathan Makkonen would have been had he not slipped on the cut.

Long story short, fuck off

still bitter

Fire_Marshall_Bill

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

Kiss another ring bitch.

Bammer will probably win.

If they don't, no mercy.

BennyBeaver

Mosster47 said:

RaceBannon said:

Stanford would love to play Michigan. Its a wheelhouse game for the Card Indians

USC could at least play with Ohio State if not win. That shows the gulf between Bama and everyone else

Absolutely. Bama is 2004 USC good. No one is even close to them.

When USC was incredible the perception was the Pac-10 was awful. When Bama is incredible the SEC is awesome. Both are wrong.

I can't wait to see Bammer choke in the semis.

RaceBannon

BennyBeaver said:

Mosster47 said:

RaceBannon said:

Stanford would love to play Michigan. Its a wheelhouse game for the Card Indians

USC could at least play with Ohio State if not win. That shows the gulf between Bama and everyone else

Absolutely. Bama is 2004 USC good. No one is even close to them.

When USC was incredible the perception was the Pac-10 was awful. When Bama is incredible the SEC is awesome. Both are wrong.

I can't wait to see Bammer choke in the semis.

I think we get them final when it is all said and done

Washington is going to do for football what North Carolina State and Villanova did for the Big Dance

PurpleJ

8/10