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Passion
Passion Member Posts: 4,622
edited November 2016 in Hardcore Husky Board
Seriously, did any of you expect Darrell Daniels to be so under utilized this year? Sure Daniels dropped a pass a couple games ago, but that is hardly a reason to put him on ice the rest of the season. The guy is a mismatch waiting to be exploited.

Another reason I hate babushka.
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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    You act like he is Jimmy Graham.
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  • Passion
    Passion Member Posts: 4,622
    CuntWaffle said:

    You act like he is Jimmy Graham.

    No, but he's still a mismatch on a strong safety or LB.
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  • whuggy
    whuggy Member Posts: 2,088
    Passion said:

    Seriously, did any of you expect Darrell Daniels to be so under utilized this year? Sure Daniels dropped a pass a couple games ago, but that is hardly a reason to put him on ice the rest of the season. The guy is a mismatch waiting to be exploited.

    Another reason I hate babushka.

    I'm not a Smith hater but the offense really has
    to start throwing to the tight end. Better
    teams will take away Pettis and Ross so there
    better be an alternative. Our tight ends are every
    bit as good as Oregon's and they don't have any
    trouble getting them the ball. Film study time.
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,732 Founders Club
    edited November 2016
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  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,525
    They used Perkins a shit load last year. I imagine that when Hunter Bryant gets here, we'll see the TE targets go up. It could be that Daniels isn't as good as we thought he'd be as a pass-catching TE
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Sample >>>>> Daniels
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    They only want to throw it to him when he is wide open because he cannot catch in traffic. Pretty simple. In the sc game the safeties played out wide outside of the hashes a lot on passing downs and he would have been good to attack the seems with. But that would require arm strength from the qb and some pass pro along with a te that can catch. That's a lot to ask.
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  • Babushka
    Babushka Member Posts: 211
    Passion said:

    Seriously, did any of you expect Darrell Daniels to be so under utilized this year? Sure Daniels dropped a pass a couple games ago, but that is hardly a reason to put him on ice the rest of the season. The guy is a mismatch waiting to be exploited.

    Another reason I hate babushka.

    Fuck off
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    This is Smiffy's most critical fault, IMO. He has more than enough offensive weaponry to have beaten SC, or at least made a tight game of it, instead of throwing it away with desperate, late, under-thrown jump balls to his WRs on every stalled drive.

    God Damn him to hell.
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  • NeGgaPlEaSe
    NeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,772
    TurdBuffer said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    This is Smiffy's most critical fault, IMO. He has more than enough offensive weaponry to have beaten SC, or at least made a tight game of it, instead of throwing it away with desperate, late, under-thrown jump balls to his WRs on every stalled drive.

    God Damn him to hell.
    You run right at USC
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  • JaWarrenJaHooker
    JaWarrenJaHooker Member Posts: 2,122
    Sounds like Peterman hasn't developed any good tight ends.
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,855
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Sample >>>>> Daniels

    Dissly > Daniels
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  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,149
    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Their offenses are fine. Their QB's are shit. Stanford had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
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  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Their offenses are fine. Their QB's are shit. Stanford had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
    They had that despite the scheme, not because of it.

    Running antiquated I-formation offense is a handicap. When teams are successful with it, it is because their players are good enough to overcome it.

    Just my opinion, but I'm also right.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    AIRWOLF said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Their offenses are fine. Their QB's are shit. Stanford had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
    They had that despite the scheme, not because of it.

    Running antiquated I-formation offense is a handicap. When teams are successful with it, it is because their players are good enough to overcome it.

    Just my opinion, but I'm also right.
    You need elite personnel to make it work. Doesn't make it antiquated
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Their offenses are fine. Their QB's are shit. Stanford had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
    Like the Northwestern game?
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  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Their offenses are fine. Their QB's are shit. Stanford had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
    They had that despite the scheme, not because of it.

    Running antiquated I-formation offense is a handicap. When teams are successful with it, it is because their players are good enough to overcome it.

    Just my opinion, but I'm also right.
    You aren't right. Michigan is a top 5 team. Stanford has been one of the most successful programs in the country the past 7,8 years.

    Alabama just started running the spread this year and that is due to their QB. The good coaches fit schemes to the players.

    There are tons of shitty teams that run spread offenses.

    Running some plays out of the I is not a handicap. I like UW because they are multiple on offense.
    Michigan isn't a top whatever team because of its offense.

    And Bama could be extremely successful running the wishbone or single wing. Bama made it work isn't a good argument.

    Having a gold standard defense and elite players at every position gives teams the luxury to run shitty offenses.
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,166
    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Stanford and Michigan have AIDS infested offenses because they have shit QBs and over-utilize the "man ball" to the point of being predictable and easy to stop.

    Nobody is asking to transition to that. The basic identity of our offense is fine. What most of us have problems with is running a fucking end around to John Ross on 2nd and 1 when we're in rhythm and could easily jam it down the defense's throat for an easy first down. Misdirection and keeping a defense on its toes are great elements of an offense. But it hasn't dawned on our OC that it's okay to just line up every now and then in a basic formation and run right where the defense knows you're going to run it because you have the superior athletes and are going to buttfuck them with a high percentage play whether they like it or not.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Their offenses are fine. Their QB's are shit. Stanford had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
    They had that despite the scheme, not because of it.

    Running antiquated I-formation offense is a handicap. When teams are successful with it, it is because their players are good enough to overcome it.

    Just my opinion, but I'm also right.
    You aren't right. Michigan is a top 5 team. Stanford has been one of the most successful programs in the country the past 7,8 years.

    Alabama just started running the spread this year and that is due to their QB. The good coaches fit schemes to the players.

    There are tons of shitty teams that run spread offenses.

    Running some plays out of the I is not a handicap. I like UW because they are multiple on offense.
    Michigan isn't a top whatever team because of its offense.

    And Bama could be extremely successful running the wishbone or single wing. Bama made it work isn't a good argument.

    Having a gold standard defense and elite players at every position gives teams the luxury to run shitty offenses.
    Most teams run spread. Most offenses suck. HTH.
    The spread is garbage. @RoadDawg55 is right. @AIRWOLF loses this one.
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  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Stanford and Michigan have AIDS infested offenses because they have shit QBs and over-utilize the "man ball" to the point of being predictable and easy to stop.

    Nobody is asking to transition to that. The basic identity of our offense is fine. What most of us have problems with is running a fucking end around to John Ross on 2nd and 1 when we're in rhythm and could easily jam it down the defense's throat for an easy first down. Misdirection and keeping a defense on its toes are great elements of an offense. But it hasn't dawned on our OC that it's okay to just line up every now and then in a basic formation and run right where the defense knows you're going to run it because you have the superior athletes and are going to buttfuck them with a high percentage play whether they like it or not.
    The Huskies actually do that a fair amount (and yeah, they should probably do it a little more), they just never do it from a basic I formation using 12 personnel.

    I guess I am stunned that there are so many people who fetishize fullbacks, the I-formation and Spider Y Banana. Almost nobody runs that stuff in HS and college for a reason. And even in the NFL, two-back I-formation sets are becoming relatively rare.
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  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    AIRWOLF said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    This is very far down the list from:

    1. Why does JSmith hate Myles Gaskin?
    2. Why does JSmith hate winning football?
    3. Why does JSmith hate wearing Polish peasant scarves?
    4. Why does JSmith hate Lavon Coleman?
    5. Why does JSmith hate Jake Browning's completion percentage and public reputation?
    6. Why does JSmith hate fitting scheme to personnel?
    7. Why does JSmith hate running with lead blockers?
    8. Why does JSmith hate running?
    9. Why does JSmith hate winning game plans?

    Etc.

    Lead blockers? What is this, 1995?

    Stanford and Michigan both love lead blockers and the old "man ball" I-formation stuff and both of their offenses have AIDS.

    The Husky offensive schemes are brilliant. The guy calling the plays and building the game plans is not.
    Their offenses are fine. Their QB's are shit. Stanford had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
    They had that despite the scheme, not because of it.

    Running antiquated I-formation offense is a handicap. When teams are successful with it, it is because their players are good enough to overcome it.

    Just my opinion, but I'm also right.
    You aren't right. Michigan is a top 5 team. Stanford has been one of the most successful programs in the country the past 7,8 years.

    Alabama just started running the spread this year and that is due to their QB. The good coaches fit schemes to the players.

    There are tons of shitty teams that run spread offenses.

    Running some plays out of the I is not a handicap. I like UW because they are multiple on offense.
    Michigan isn't a top whatever team because of its offense.

    And Bama could be extremely successful running the wishbone or single wing. Bama made it work isn't a good argument.

    Having a gold standard defense and elite players at every position gives teams the luxury to run shitty offenses.
    Most teams run spread. Most offenses suck. HTH.
    This is a terrible argument, from a pure logic perspective.

    The bottom line is that whether you agree with my views on this or not, Petersen seems to. He is the real architect of this offense and I can't recall seeing the Huskies line up in a two back I-formation set more than once or twice since he has been here.

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