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TTJ
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"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
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I think the way DJ left the program, and the clear issues with upper campus could have signaled a falling off of UW, but not the depths to which we fell.
At no point could you have predicted the rise of Oregon. I mean, Oregon to that point, was sort of a backwater school with basically zero football bones. To see them get to the absolute upper echelons is sort of unreal. Doogs hate to admit it, but Oregon's last 5 years is better than any 5 years we had under DJ, sans an NC. If they get an NC soon, they clearly have the best run ever in the PAC-12 by a school not named USC.
Imagine my surprise and glee when Kenny Wheaton jumped the out.
The school produced John McKay and John Robinson - but let them go away to USC where they made their mark. Oregon has six NFL Hall of Fame guys - all from the old days. Only Notre Dame, Ohio State and USC have more HOF guys than we (and some other schools like Miami) do. UW has three.
Arguably the big turning point was when the idiot boosters we had at the time (essentially) fired Jerry Frei in 1972. George Seifert, John Robinson, Bruce Snyder, and Norv Turner were on the staff the boosters wanted Frei to reshuffle. He resigned instead.
After that began The Suffering, where Oregon football was distinctly second-rate in the Pac-8 and Pac-10 until Brooks was able to field a dangerous offense led by Chris Miller.
UW, for all of our over the top self fellating (phantom 1984 NC comes to mind), does actually have a long tradition. Clearly second tier to the USC's, Bama's, and Oklahomas of the world, but we had several periods in our history where we were a really legit program. I mean, we won RB's in every decade for like 6 decades or some shit. Oregon did not have that. Learn the difference.
I looked it up once, and the zeros had either 1 or no bowl appearances between the mid 60's and 1989. Back then a team actually had to be good to make a bowl but still... Oregon was pretty much an afterthought. Oregon State was god awful, and UO was a little better. They were a team the Huskies expected to beat every year. Oregon beat DJ two straight years in the late 80's and it was unacceptable.
By the late 90s it was obvious that they weren't going away, but nobody saw what was coming. Personally I can't stand it. Other than calling Doogs out on over the top things like, " Beat Oregon nothing else matters" I don't understand why they are revered on here.
The Quook perspective seems to be that you guys are a bit better than us historically, but not enough to justify all the arrogance.
I looked up the conference W/L records for UO and UW from 1920 (beginning of the record) to 1959 (death of the PCC): Oregon .475, Washington .513. The late 1960's through the 1980's were the nadir of football in the state of Oregon generally - after Andros and Casanova, both programs went into the shitter.
good one!
1915-1920 (Dobie) - Yeah, doesn't make a shit's difference since were playing nobody's, but 53 straight wins or whatever is significant.
Late 50's - Mid 60's (Owens) - Contested NC, and some strong finishes in there, plus two RB wins.
Late 70s - Early 90's (James) - NC. 4 Rose Bowls wins. Throw in 1984 where we finished 2nd, and 1990, which is basically your NC loss to Auburn if adjusted for pre-BCS era bullshit.
And, RB wins for 6 consecutive decades (if you count 2000 as last decade).
Yeah, we aren't Ohio State or anything, but that is a nice long respectable history, especially late 50's to present. What you guys have done since the late 90's is on par with our big run under DJ. If you guys keep this pace up for a few more years, you will clearly surpass our best run, but you will never have the past 60 years of pretty good success. Doogs love that shit, but I understand that it doesn't matter a diddlers fuck. Just pointing it out for the sake of accuracy.
If I could choose, I would give away a bunch of bullshit tradition to be steamrolling mother fuckers right now.
1. USC 32/23/2009
2. Michigan 20/8/2007
3T. Washington 14/7/2001
3T. Ohio State 14/7/2010
5. Stanford 13/6/2013
The thing about the Dobie years is that he pretty much played nobody. We tied his best team, and after that he never came to Eugene again.
Ohio State -
AP/Coaches/BCS National Champions - 1942, 1954, 1968, 2002
Contested National Champions - 1957, 1961, 1970 (no idea if any of these have legit reasoning)
34 Big Ten Titles
Heisman Trophy Winners - 7 (Archie Griffin Twice)
BCS Level Bowl Wins - 14
UW -
AP/Coaches/BCS National Champions - 1991
Contested National Champions - 1960 (only one legit at all imho), 1984, 1990
15 PCC/AAWU/Pac-8/10/12 Titles
Heisman Trophy Winners - 0
BCS Level Bowl Wins - 8
Yeah, we are no Ohio State.