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"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
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I know it's 19 years ago but it still pisses me off they didn't run Pastor Nip four fucking times in a row! No way they stuff him.
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Sorry, I was busy watching awesome instead:
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LEAVE!
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Not at all.TTJ said:"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
I think the way DJ left the program, and the clear issues with upper campus could have signaled a falling off of UW, but not the depths to which we fell.
At no point could you have predicted the rise of Oregon. I mean, Oregon to that point, was sort of a backwater school with basically zero football bones. To see them get to the absolute upper echelons is sort of unreal. Doogs hate to admit it, but Oregon's last 5 years is better than any 5 years we had under DJ, sans an NC. If they get an NC soon, they clearly have the best run ever in the PAC-12 by a school not named USC. -
I support waggling dicks, but not the guys who massage them.
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That's what I was saying in the stands. When the Huskies got close, I said to the guy next to me: "and now Kaufman off-tackle for the winning TD. Fuck."
Imagine my surprise and glee when Kenny Wheaton jumped the out.He_Needs_More_Time said:I know it's 19 years ago but it still pisses me off they didn't run Pastor Nip four fucking times in a row! No way they stuff him.
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Seems Sark has a similar philosophy near the goal line.He_Needs_More_Time said:I know it's 19 years ago but it still pisses me off they didn't run Pastor Nip four fucking times in a row! No way they stuff him.
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Oregon had some football chops pre-1994, but was never able to put it all together at one time.
The school produced John McKay and John Robinson - but let them go away to USC where they made their mark. Oregon has six NFL Hall of Fame guys - all from the old days. Only Notre Dame, Ohio State and USC have more HOF guys than we (and some other schools like Miami) do. UW has three.
Arguably the big turning point was when the idiot boosters we had at the time (essentially) fired Jerry Frei in 1972. George Seifert, John Robinson, Bruce Snyder, and Norv Turner were on the staff the boosters wanted Frei to reshuffle. He resigned instead.
After that began The Suffering, where Oregon football was distinctly second-rate in the Pac-8 and Pac-10 until Brooks was able to field a dangerous offense led by Chris Miller.Swaye said:
Not at all.TTJ said:"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
I think the way DJ left the program, and the clear issues with upper campus could have signaled a falling off of UW, but not the depths to which we fell.
At no point could you have predicted the rise of Oregon. I mean, Oregon to that point, was sort of a backwater school with basically zero football bones. To see them get to the absolute upper echelons is sort of unreal. Doogs hate to admit it, but Oregon's last 5 years is better than any 5 years we had under DJ, sans an NC. If they get an NC soon, they clearly have the best run ever in the PAC-12 by a school not named USC. -
This is not possible. College football had not yet been invented.AZDuck said:Oregon had some football chops pre-1994, but was never able to put it all together at one time.
The school produced John McKay and John Robinson - but let them go away to USC where they made their mark. Oregon has six NFL Hall of Fame guys - all from the old days. Only Notre Dame, Ohio State and USC have more HOF guys than we (and some other schools like Miami) do. UW has three.
Arguably the big turning point was when the idiot boosters we had at the time (essentially) fired Jerry Frei in 1972. George Seifert, John Robinson, Bruce Snyder, and Norv Turner were on the staff the boosters wanted Frei to reshuffle. He resigned instead.
After that began The Suffering, where Oregon football was distinctly second-rate in the Pac-8 and Pac-10 until Brooks was able to field a dangerous offense led by Chris Miller.Swaye said:
Not at all.TTJ said:"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
I think the way DJ left the program, and the clear issues with upper campus could have signaled a falling off of UW, but not the depths to which we fell.
At no point could you have predicted the rise of Oregon. I mean, Oregon to that point, was sort of a backwater school with basically zero football bones. To see them get to the absolute upper echelons is sort of unreal. Doogs hate to admit it, but Oregon's last 5 years is better than any 5 years we had under DJ, sans an NC. If they get an NC soon, they clearly have the best run ever in the PAC-12 by a school not named USC. -
Proto football. Ur-football.
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I didn't say you had NOTHING, and no good players or coaches, I said you had no bones. No NC's, no perennial RB years, not many top 10 seasons. You were not at all, by any stretch, a football power. Now, you are. An extremely good team, and frankly better than any 5 year stretch in Husky history, sans NC.AZDuck said:Oregon had some football chops pre-1994, but was never able to put it all together at one time.
The school produced John McKay and John Robinson - but let them go away to USC where they made their mark. Oregon has six NFL Hall of Fame guys - all from the old days. Only Notre Dame, Ohio State and USC have more HOF guys than we (and some other schools like Miami) do. UW has three.
Arguably the big turning point was when the idiot boosters we had at the time (essentially) fired Jerry Frei in 1972. George Seifert, John Robinson, Bruce Snyder, and Norv Turner were on the staff the boosters wanted Frei to reshuffle. He resigned instead.
After that began The Suffering, where Oregon football was distinctly second-rate in the Pac-8 and Pac-10 until Brooks was able to field a dangerous offense led by Chris Miller.Swaye said:
Not at all.TTJ said:"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
I think the way DJ left the program, and the clear issues with upper campus could have signaled a falling off of UW, but not the depths to which we fell.
At no point could you have predicted the rise of Oregon. I mean, Oregon to that point, was sort of a backwater school with basically zero football bones. To see them get to the absolute upper echelons is sort of unreal. Doogs hate to admit it, but Oregon's last 5 years is better than any 5 years we had under DJ, sans an NC. If they get an NC soon, they clearly have the best run ever in the PAC-12 by a school not named USC.
UW, for all of our over the top self fellating (phantom 1984 NC comes to mind), does actually have a long tradition. Clearly second tier to the USC's, Bama's, and Oklahomas of the world, but we had several periods in our history where we were a really legit program. I mean, we won RB's in every decade for like 6 decades or some shit. Oregon did not have that. Learn the difference. -
This.Swaye said:
Not at all.TTJ said:"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
I think the way DJ left the program, and the clear issues with upper campus could have signaled a falling off of UW, but not the depths to which we fell.
At no point could you have predicted the rise of Oregon. I mean, Oregon to that point, was sort of a backwater school with basically zero football bones. To see them get to the absolute upper echelons is sort of unreal. Doogs hate to admit it, but Oregon's last 5 years is better than any 5 years we had under DJ, sans an NC. If they get an NC soon, they clearly have the best run ever in the PAC-12 by a school not named USC.
I looked it up once, and the zeros had either 1 or no bowl appearances between the mid 60's and 1989. Back then a team actually had to be good to make a bowl but still... Oregon was pretty much an afterthought. Oregon State was god awful, and UO was a little better. They were a team the Huskies expected to beat every year. Oregon beat DJ two straight years in the late 80's and it was unacceptable.
By the late 90s it was obvious that they weren't going away, but nobody saw what was coming. Personally I can't stand it. Other than calling Doogs out on over the top things like, " Beat Oregon nothing else matters" I don't understand why they are revered on here. -
Swaye- Agree up to a point.
The Quook perspective seems to be that you guys are a bit better than us historically, but not enough to justify all the arrogance.
I looked up the conference W/L records for UO and UW from 1920 (beginning of the record) to 1959 (death of the PCC): Oregon .475, Washington .513. The late 1960's through the 1980's were the nadir of football in the state of Oregon generally - after Andros and Casanova, both programs went into the shitter. -
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Seems Sark has a similar philosophy near the goal line.He_Needs_More_Time said:I know it's 19 years ago but it still pisses me off they didn't run Pastor Nip four fucking times in a row! No way they stuff him.
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I agree, that if you include 1994 to now, the programs are actually equalizing quite a bit. Oregon's run the last decade has been incredible, and certainly on par with our decade of early 80's to early 90's. The only real difference in my mind is that we have had a couple of periods of making some noise, whereas you guys have had one.
1915-1920 (Dobie) - Yeah, doesn't make a shit's difference since were playing nobody's, but 53 straight wins or whatever is significant.
Late 50's - Mid 60's (Owens) - Contested NC, and some strong finishes in there, plus two RB wins.
Late 70s - Early 90's (James) - NC. 4 Rose Bowls wins. Throw in 1984 where we finished 2nd, and 1990, which is basically your NC loss to Auburn if adjusted for pre-BCS era bullshit.
And, RB wins for 6 consecutive decades (if you count 2000 as last decade).
Yeah, we aren't Ohio State or anything, but that is a nice long respectable history, especially late 50's to present. What you guys have done since the late 90's is on par with our big run under DJ. If you guys keep this pace up for a few more years, you will clearly surpass our best run, but you will never have the past 60 years of pretty good success. Doogs love that shit, but I understand that it doesn't matter a diddlers fuck. Just pointing it out for the sake of accuracy.
If I could choose, I would give away a bunch of bullshit tradition to be steamrolling mother fuckers right now. -
ROSE BOWL WINS/APPEARANCES/LASTSwaye said:...Yeah, we aren't Ohio State or anything...
1. USC 32/23/2009
2. Michigan 20/8/2007
3T. Washington 14/7/2001
3T. Ohio State 14/7/2010
5. Stanford 13/6/2013 -
(trolling @DerekJohnson)
The thing about the Dobie years is that he pretty much played nobody. We tied his best team, and after that he never came to Eugene again. -
Interesting that we are tied with them for Rose Bowls. Did not know that. Let me give you some more numbers.TTJ said:
ROSE BOWL WINS/APPEARANCES/LASTSwaye said:...Yeah, we aren't Ohio State or anything...
1. USC 32/23/2009
2. Michigan 20/8/2007
3T. Washington 14/7/2001
3T. Ohio State 14/7/2010
5. Stanford 13/6/2013
Ohio State -
AP/Coaches/BCS National Champions - 1942, 1954, 1968, 2002
Contested National Champions - 1957, 1961, 1970 (no idea if any of these have legit reasoning)
34 Big Ten Titles
Heisman Trophy Winners - 7 (Archie Griffin Twice)
BCS Level Bowl Wins - 14
UW -
AP/Coaches/BCS National Champions - 1991
Contested National Champions - 1960 (only one legit at all imho), 1984, 1990
15 PCC/AAWU/Pac-8/10/12 Titles
Heisman Trophy Winners - 0
BCS Level Bowl Wins - 8
Yeah, we are no Ohio State.
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Outside of Columbus, who the fuck would say that? Michigan is the winningest program of all time. And head to head, they lead the tOSU series 58-44-6.dnc said: -
I guess you're right. CFBDatawarehouse has them at 5 and 6, respectively, with Michigan slightly out in front. I knew Michigan had the most wins but I thought most of them were back in the Dobie era when NOC'ed. Their resume is a little stronger than I thought.TTJ said:
Outside of Columbus, who the fuck would say that? Michigan is the winningest program of all time. And head to head, they lead the tOSU series 58-44-6.dnc said:
BTW, Washington is at 19 on that ranking.
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The Big 14 had a no repeat Rose Bowl clause until the mid 60s
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dnc said:
I guess you're right. CFBDatawarehouse has them at 5 and 6, respectively, with Michigan slightly out in front. I knew Michigan had the most wins but I thought most of them were back in the Dobie era when NOC'ed. Their resume is a little stronger than I thought.TTJ said:
Outside of Columbus, who the fuck would say that? Michigan is the winningest program of all time. And head to head, they lead the tOSU series 58-44-6.dnc said:
BTW, Washington (RIP) is at 19 on that ranking. -
I don't dispute that tOSU has a finer resume overall than UW. #6 versus #19 rings pretty true to me. But above, it sounded like @swaye was trying to prove this larger point using RB data, which doesn't turn out to support that conclusion.dnc said:...CFBDatawarehouse has them at 5 and 6, respectively...BTW, Washington is at 19 on that ranking.
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Where is Oregon? I actually really want to know. I recall SI or someone did an all time program rank thing a few years ago, and we were like 18th or something? Oregon was about 40th I think. I am sure they have moved up the last couple years, but they aren't top 20 yet. Which was my original poont.dnc said:
I guess you're right. CFBDatawarehouse has them at 5 and 6, respectively, with Michigan slightly out in front. I knew Michigan had the most wins but I thought most of them were back in the Dobie era when NOC'ed. Their resume is a little stronger than I thought.TTJ said:
Outside of Columbus, who the fuck would say that? Michigan is the winningest program of all time. And head to head, they lead the tOSU series 58-44-6.dnc said:
BTW, Washington is at 19 on that ranking.
Not trying to go all Passion of the Doogs on Oregon here, as I would trade a fucking RB win in 1950-whatever the fuck RIGHT NOW to be kicking ass like they are, but I just wanted shit to be accurate in the thread, and shit. Or something. -
Some people hate winnarsRaceBannon said:The Big 14 had a no repeat Rose Bowl clause until the mid 60s
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I had to look this up recently when talking to my 20-something tOSU grad cousin. I figured that Michigan had a commanding lead in the series which they do but was surprised to see how much tOSU has owned them over the last 20 years.TTJ said:
Outside of Columbus, who the fuck would say that? Michigan is the winningest program of all time. And head to head, they lead the tOSU series 58-44-6.dnc said: -
Section14aFuckingStupid! True?dnc said:
Some people hate winnarsRaceBannon said:The Big 14 had a no repeat Rose Bowl clause until the mid 60s
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I hope you just got the name dropper badge for mentioning me. I make drawings off all my badges I have EARNED here and just recently built a shrine to them in my Mom's basement. Between you and me, they give me a boner in my sweatpants when I stare at them.TTJ said:
I don't dispute that tOSU has a finer resume overall than UW. #6 versus #19 rings pretty true to me. But above, it sounded like @swaye was trying to prove this larger point using RB data, which doesn't turn out to support that conclusion.dnc said:...CFBDatawarehouse has them at 5 and 6, respectively...BTW, Washington is at 19 on that ranking.
Don't tell anyone I told you that. -
No way anybody could then predict our football program would eventually die such a violent and thorough death as it did, but it was obvious to anyone paying attention that we were in serious trouble in 1993-94 under the head coaching of Halfbright. Who can forget that the defensive genius, who without the Dawgfather's management couldn't stop a well coached passing attack, had hired Bill Driedrick in '94 as OC and before The Pick game at Autzen had publically threatened to throw Driedrick out of the Husky Stadium press box because of multiple penalties or desperation timeouts resulting from delays in getting the play calls down to the QB on the field. Halfbright hired others for his offensive staff who had eastern Washington or Palouse (coog-vandeloser) connections and resumes. A year or so after The Pick, Hallbright moved QB coach Scott Linehan up to OC to replace Diedrick who dropped down to QB coach rather than get fired apparently because we didn't want to buyout Diedrick's large contract.TTJ said:"The pick." 1994. On P12Net.
Could anyone that day have possibly predicted the 19-year trajectories these two programs would follow?
It is ironic that Bill Diedrick went on to join Willingham's staff at Stanford and Notre Dame where he reportedly performed poorly enough to be part of the reason for Tyrone getting fired in South Bend. As we all heard at the time, Gilbertson was used by UW administrators as a conduit to Willingham for the Husky job and we needn't wonder if as members of the Palouse crony crowd, Gilby-to-Diedrick wasn't the means for that connection to Willingham. In short, we were totally fucked when the Dawgfather retired and our football program was tossed to the likes of Halfbright and his eastern-Washington/Palouse cronies to play with before retiring to their fishing cabins and golf course on Lake Coeur d' Alene. I've posted this crony stuff before and if he sees it, Phil Bleener will from his one-holer in Walla Walla demand a link. Fuck you in advance, Phil.
With holdovers Tormey and Baird from the Jame's staff, Halfbright's group of assistant coaches in '93-'94 was looking like a state-of-Washington/Northern Idaho cronies club and I personally know from my longtime WSU-UofI booster friend connections up there in the Palouse that that's basically what it was. Halfbright's staff did have some good coaches such as Randy Hart, whom I wish we still had, Al Lavan(RB's), Rick Mallory(TE's), and eventually Ron Milus(DB's), but they couldn't completely overcome Halfbright's circle of cronies. So yes, we were in trouble and although Halfbright did some good things, he struggled to right the Husky ship to keep it from sinking and essentially lost it in going down after six seasons as Husky head coach. A big part of that decline was losing to Oregon four times in six games including twice in Husky Stadium where Halfbright's most glaring weakness was no pass defense against Bellotti's offensive genius.
It should be recalled that most of Sark's original staff at UW had eastern-Washington/Northern Idaho Palouse (WSU, UofI) connections. I heard so much doog talk five years ago about how assistant football coaches with coogloser and/or vandaloser resumes as either players or coaches or both must be good if not the best....... that I wanted to puke! People, WSU and UofI are traditionally loser programs and there's a very good reason why they are losers...... nobody else wants them! Sark has to his credit almost completely turned over his staff since taking over Husky Football just after the 2008 season, almost five years ago and we all should be able to recognize the improvement in player/team development and performance. However, should there be more purging of Palouse cronies from UW's staff....... perhaps a good question for Dick Baird.
There are two assistants remaining from Sark's original staff and not surprisingly, both have eastern Washington/Palouse connections: Johnny Nansen coached at U of Idaho for five seasons after playing at WSU ('97) and as a younger guy coming to UW with Nick Holt may or not be part of the coog-vandaloser crony circle, but how do we like the job he's doing with special teams and recruiting? Dan Cozzetto who was a UofI vandal ('79) as player many years ago and as everybody should know is a long time assistant Palouse crony of Dennis Erickson's and Keith Gilbertson's, having been on staffs at UofI, WSU, OSU, ASU, and of course one year(2003) at UW for Gilby. How do we like the job he's doing as OL recruiter and position coach for Sark? Sorry, but I'm hopeful a couple of changes will be made this coming offseason.
This is a really long and boring response full of regurgitated stuff for which I sincerely apologize. But there are reasons for The Pick in 1994, 1-10 in 2004, 0-12 in 2008, nine straight loses to Oregon, and throwing away that fucking game at Stanford last Saturday. We must never as long as our Dawgafterlifes last allow ourselves to ever forget how we got here.
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