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Neuheisel and Mora: What went wrong?

BabsGilbyTawdTyBabsGilbyTawdTy Member Posts: 1,058
edited November 2016 in Hardcore Husky Board
Rick Neuheisel, Rose Bowl championship coach and creator/winner of the Northwest Championship at Washington.

Yet despite a lot of buzz when he was hired, Neuheisel was dumped even before the end of his fourth season at UCLA with a dismal 13-23 conference record.

Jim L. Mora, ex-Husky cult figure reportedly turned down at least one one opportunity to take over the program at his alma mater.

Now his career arc appears to be in a death spiral in Westwood, just 2-6 in his last eight conference games. In their fifth season under Mora, nobody would mistake the Bruins for a well-coached team.

Some would say these turn of events were inevitable -- that UCLA just cannot sustain success in football.

Yet Karl Dorrell (seriously), Bob Toledo (no kidding), Terry Donahue, Dick Vermeil, Pepper Rodgers and Tommy Prothro all did better than (or in Dorrell's case, as well as) Mora and Neuheisel in conference play as UCLA's coaches.

Curious what others who follow UW/Pac-12 football think happened?

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  • animateanimate Member Posts: 4,238
    Neu - great recruiter, not such a great coach. Good coach. Okay player development. Nowhere near the cult of personality to maintain discipline in a large market like la that kids need to produce a good football program.

    Mora jr - less flamboyant, more tough personality but an okay coach. I think player development is okay to mediocre. Again, see comment above
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Why you always gotta bring up the bad times?

    Can't you just be happy with where we are and where we're going?
  • PurpleBazePurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 29,901 Founders Club
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    They both needed a lot more time.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    edited November 2016
    Mora's defense is fine. Mora's offense blows, which is part:
    a) shite coaching on the OLine...Klemm can recruit but he can't coach, and nobody else on that staff knows how to coach OL. He should have figured that out a few years ago.
    b) shite OCs...when you are downgrading from Mazzone to somebody you pulled off the street, you are doing something wrong.
    c) shite balance in recruiting/positions. Our 4ths string walkon is better than Falafel...no reason in year 4 or whatever you end up at that position. And in year 4 note having a kicker is pretty much inexcusable.
    d) shite overall philosophy. He hasn't matched up how he wants to play O with how he wants to play D...they aren't separate.

    Mora is a pretty good example of a college coach needing to be more than just a football coach...he's got to be a manager of coaches and roster. He's got the football part down...he's failing miserably at the rest. Esp when you are working against a soft culture like UCLA's.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    animate said:

    Neu - great recruiter, not such a great coach. Good coach. Okay player development. Nowhere near the cult of personality to maintain discipline in a large market like la that kids need to produce a good football program.

    Mora jr - less flamboyant, more tough personality but an okay coach. I think player development is okay to mediocre. Again, see comment above

    Rick is no great recruiter.
  • animate said:

    Neu - great recruiter, not such a great coach. Good coach. Okay player development. Nowhere near the cult of personality to maintain discipline in a large market like la that kids need to produce a good football program.

    Mora jr - less flamboyant, more tough personality but an okay coach. I think player development is okay to mediocre. Again, see comment above

    People forget, Mora isn't a Jr.
  • animate said:

    Neu - great recruiter, not such a great coach. Good coach. Okay player development. Nowhere near the cult of personality to maintain discipline in a large market like la that kids need to produce a good football program.

    Mora jr - less flamboyant, more tough personality but an okay coach. I think player development is okay to mediocre. Again, see comment above

    Rick is no great recruiter.
    But everyone said so.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Mora's defense is fine. Mora's offense blows, which is part:
    a) shite coaching on the OLine...Klemm can recruit but he can't coach, and nobody else on that staff knows how to coach OL. He should have figured that out a few years ago.
    b) shite OCs...when you are downgrading from Mazzone to somebody you pulled off the street, you are doing something wrong.
    c) shite balance in recruiting/positions. Our 4ths string walkon is better than Falafel...no reason in year 4 or whatever you end up at that position. And in year 4 note having a kicker is pretty much inexcusable.
    d) shite overall philosophy. He hasn't matched up how he wants to play O with how he wants to play D...they aren't separate.

    Mora is a pretty good example of a college coach needing to be more than just a football coach...he's got to be a manager of coaches and roster. He's got the football part down...he's failing miserably at the rest. Esp when you are working against a soft culture like UCLA's.

    Van Winkle says Hi.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,948

    They coach(ed) for a school where the players love the recruiting process but don't love football.

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    Also they're a bunch of pussies.

    Nailed it
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,237 Founders Club

    This kind of serious football discussion begs for @puppylove_sugarsteel

    Puppy won't be back until UW loses
    What if the loss comes to BAMA?!?!?!
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,237 Founders Club

    animate said:

    Neu - great recruiter, not such a great coach. Good coach. Okay player development. Nowhere near the cult of personality to maintain discipline in a large market like la that kids need to produce a good football program.

    Mora jr - less flamboyant, more tough personality but an okay coach. I think player development is okay to mediocre. Again, see comment above

    Rick is no great recruiter.
    Reggie Williams!!!!!!!
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,978
    2001400ex said:

    Mora's defense is fine. Mora's offense blows, which is part:
    a) shite coaching on the OLine...Klemm can recruit but he can't coach, and nobody else on that staff knows how to coach OL. He should have figured that out a few years ago.
    b) shite OCs...when you are downgrading from Mazzone to somebody you pulled off the street, you are doing something wrong.
    c) shite balance in recruiting/positions. Our 4ths string walkon is better than Falafel...no reason in year 4 or whatever you end up at that position. And in year 4 note having a kicker is pretty much inexcusable.
    d) shite overall philosophy. He hasn't matched up how he wants to play O with how he wants to play D...they aren't separate.

    Mora is a pretty good example of a college coach needing to be more than just a football coach...he's got to be a manager of coaches and roster. He's got the football part down...he's failing miserably at the rest. Esp when you are working against a soft culture like UCLA's.

    Van Winkle says Hi.
    Van Winkle has one of the highest conversion % in UW history. He's not a future pro, but he's a hell of a lot better than the dreck UCLA kicked with yesterday.

    God you are a fucking moron.
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,296 Founders Club
    Both are bad head coaches with similar program performance trajectories, start fast and then fade, its that simple.
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