You and ozone are the only stupid fuckers left defending Obamacare. You realize this, yes?
Obamacare needs work to be fixed. The Republicans only plan is to repeal it, which is FS. Congress needs to pull their head out of their ass and put in place some fixes to make the system better.
You and ozone are the only stupid fuckers left defending Obamacare. You realize this, yes?
Obamacare needs work to be fixed. The Republicans only plan is to repeal it, which is FS. Congress needs to pull their head out of their ass and put in place some fixes to make the system better.
You and ozone are the only stupid fuckers left defending Obamacare. You realize this, yes?
Obamacare needs work to be fixed. The Republicans only plan is to repeal it, which is FS. Congress needs to pull their head out of their ass and put in place some fixes to make the system better.
The VA is a sneak preview for what single payer would look like for the rest of the US.
or how about france? federally funded health care that spends less per capita than we do and is ranked #1 in the world, while we're at 37 (World Health Org.) government run healthcare is superior, just has to be funded properly unlike the VA.
The VA is a sneak preview for what single payer would look like for the rest of the US.
or how about france? federally funded health care that spends less per capita than we do and is ranked #1 in the world, while we're at 37 (World Health Org.) government run healthcare is superior, just has to be funded properly unlike the VA.
Again, when France pays for their own defense get back to us
The VA is a sneak preview for what single payer would look like for the rest of the US.
or how about france? federally funded health care that spends less per capita than we do and is ranked #1 in the world, while we're at 37 (World Health Org.) government run healthcare is superior, just has to be funded properly unlike the VA.
France has basically a 2-tier system with a bunch of folks paying a significant co-pay for procedures and also having private insurance.
The VA is a sneak preview for what single payer would look like for the rest of the US.
or how about france? federally funded health care that spends less per capita than we do and is ranked #1 in the world, while we're at 37 (World Health Org.) government run healthcare is superior, just has to be funded properly unlike the VA.
Again, when France pays for their own defense get back to us
I agree with trump on NATO, but they spend less than we do. so why is it important in this context?
The VA is a sneak preview for what single payer would look like for the rest of the US.
or how about france? federally funded health care that spends less per capita than we do and is ranked #1 in the world, while we're at 37 (World Health Org.) government run healthcare is superior, just has to be funded properly unlike the VA.
France has basically a 2-tier system with a bunch of folks paying a significant co-pay for procedures and also having private insurance.
correct. It's not a purely single payer system like in Britain (also ranking higher than us). Just an example of what a hybrid system that protects the freedom of patients and doctors, while still having government regulation to control costs. http://www.businessinsider.com/what-can-the-us-learn-from-the-french-health-care-system-2011-3 not perfect. And as it says in the article, GDP costs going down would likely be impossible under our current system. Given they are #1 and we in the 30's though you'd think we can learn from them right?
The VA is a sneak preview for what single payer would look like for the rest of the US.
or how about france? federally funded health care that spends less per capita than we do and is ranked #1 in the world, while we're at 37 (World Health Org.) government run healthcare is superior, just has to be funded properly unlike the VA.
France has basically a 2-tier system with a bunch of folks paying a significant co-pay for procedures and also having private insurance.
correct. It's not a purely single payer system like in Britain (also ranking higher than us). Just an example of what a hybrid system that protects the freedom of patients and doctors, while still having government regulation to control costs. http://www.businessinsider.com/what-can-the-us-learn-from-the-french-health-care-system-2011-3 not perfect. And as it says in the article, GDP costs going down would likely be impossible under our current system. Given they are #1 and we in the 30's though you'd think we can learn from them right?
Problem is, you have a very different population here than France, and you would have to get people here to agree to a 2-tier system (i.e. there is a base govt health care system that has long waits if you don't pay out of pocket and won't cover everything...remember all the elderly dying a few years ago from heat/exhaustion?).
I'm personally fine with a 2-tier system, but the problem is that the cost savings has to come from the lower tier having a pretty crappy heath care system that won't cover lots of things (or will cover only with long waits), and won't give people on it access to lots of things people expect (epidurals for births, cancer treatment, a choice of doctor, etc). The upper tier gets better care only though it coming out of their own individual pockets.
And realize there is pretty much is no tort (i.e. lawyers) involved in any of France's healthcare, and doctors on average get paid very little which won't go over well here either.
For all the people that think some how, some way this will magically work here first need to get it to work on any of the large portions of the health care system the govt already controls, from Medicare/Medicaid, VA, Chips, etc. Its absolute idiocy to think the govt will take over all of the health care system and make it more efficient when they can't do it for the sections they already run.
Except there's little to suggest anyone is forced to seek inferior care. The problem with paying the doctors exists. Which is why it would require tweaks. No one is saying you have to copy theirs or Britain's system. You can have aspects of it mixed with aspects of ours. But to pretend like our system is fine when we spend the most and rank in the low 30's is denial
Except there's little to suggest anyone is forced to seek inferior care. The problem with paying the doctors exists. Which is why it would require tweaks. No one is saying you have to copy theirs or Britain's system. You can have aspects of it mixed with aspects of ours. But to pretend like our system is fine when we spend the most and rank in the low 30's is denial
I'm actually ok with a single payer system, with the option of group insurance or individual insurance to be purchased through the open market as well. And because people paying for their own plan also pay for the country's plan through higher taxes, they should be able to deduct the full cost of their open market plan from their federal taxes.
Now you can spend money to get a good plan, or have the government provide you with a "basic" plan.
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government run healthcare is superior, just has to be funded properly unlike the VA.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-can-the-us-learn-from-the-french-health-care-system-2011-3
not perfect. And as it says in the article, GDP costs going down would likely be impossible under our current system. Given they are #1 and we in the 30's though you'd think we can learn from them right?
I'm personally fine with a 2-tier system, but the problem is that the cost savings has to come from the lower tier having a pretty crappy heath care system that won't cover lots of things (or will cover only with long waits), and won't give people on it access to lots of things people expect (epidurals for births, cancer treatment, a choice of doctor, etc). The upper tier gets better care only though it coming out of their own individual pockets.
And realize there is pretty much is no tort (i.e. lawyers) involved in any of France's healthcare, and doctors on average get paid very little which won't go over well here either.
For all the people that think some how, some way this will magically work here first need to get it to work on any of the large portions of the health care system the govt already controls, from Medicare/Medicaid, VA, Chips, etc. Its absolute idiocy to think the govt will take over all of the health care system and make it more efficient when they can't do it for the sections they already run.
Now you can spend money to get a good plan, or have the government provide you with a "basic" plan.