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For those of you that hate universal health care, but like the US giving money to Israel

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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited September 2016
    salemcoog said:

    He asks a good question and it's pretty obvious that none of you are willing to answer.

    Lemme help... It's NOT a good question. Providing aid to Israel doesn't go to their Healthcare. It goes to help prevent the animals that surround them from wiping them off of the face of the earth.

    But I'm not surprised that you're surprised why a thinkin person wouldn't answer the fucktarded question given your poasting history on the Tug.
    Pot
    Kettle
    Black

    stfu
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    dflea said:

    salemcoog said:

    He asks a good question and it's pretty obvious that none of you are willing to answer.

    Lemme help... It's NOT a good question. Providing aid to Israel doesn't go to their Healthcare. It goes to help prevent the animals that surround them from wiping them off of the face of the earth.

    But I'm not surprised that you're surprised why a thinkin person wouldn't answer the fucktarded question given your poasting history on the Tug.
    Pot
    Kettle
    Black

    stfu
    Why don't you shove one of those cigars that you can't quit straight up your wallored out bunghole?

  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    salemcoog said:

    dflea said:

    salemcoog said:

    He asks a good question and it's pretty obvious that none of you are willing to answer.

    Lemme help... It's NOT a good question. Providing aid to Israel doesn't go to their Healthcare. It goes to help prevent the animals that surround them from wiping them off of the face of the earth.

    But I'm not surprised that you're surprised why a thinkin person wouldn't answer the fucktarded question given your poasting history on the Tug.
    Pot
    Kettle
    Black

    stfu
    Why don't you shove one of those cigars that you can't quit straight up your wallored out bunghole?

    Why don't you give it a try yourself, Nancy?

  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    dflea said:

    salemcoog said:

    dflea said:

    salemcoog said:

    He asks a good question and it's pretty obvious that none of you are willing to answer.

    Lemme help... It's NOT a good question. Providing aid to Israel doesn't go to their Healthcare. It goes to help prevent the animals that surround them from wiping them off of the face of the earth.

    But I'm not surprised that you're surprised why a thinkin person wouldn't answer the fucktarded question given your poasting history on the Tug.
    Pot
    Kettle
    Black

    stfu
    Why don't you shove one of those cigars that you can't quit straight up your wallored out bunghole?

    Why don't you give it a try yourself, Nancy?

    NIce reply Weak sauce.


    Now go roll puppys stolen wheelchair back to the courtyard.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited September 2016

    dhdawg said:

    Swaye said:

    He asks a good question and it's pretty obvious that none of you are willing to answer.

    Basically Ozone is saying if we hate universal healthcare, we shouldn't provide any aid to countries that provide universal healthcare. Even if our money goes strictly to defense it allows them to keep some resources to go to health care spending. Thus we are funding it regardless. I get that, but we already provide money to NATO, should we not help with that? If Canada has a catastrophic occurrence, we shouldn't help them?

    It's another retarded question from a retard.

    Hondo, watch the TV show 60 days in. US jailbirds eat better than our military units, sleep better, and have more free time. The least we can do for our Vets is to provide them with some benefits when they come back. That's what the VA is supposed to be. It's a shame the federal government has ran that system into the ground. It's amazing however, that even though the government can't even serve our vets, you still have such great confidence that our government system can take care of all it's citizens.
    This is a great counterpoint and one I was too stupid to pick up on. Pretty much any rational person would agree that the VA medical care is a fucking disgrace - even the MSM has been beating the shit out of the VA for years in expose after expose on how fucked up they are. So, if we take that as a given, how on earth would the federal government effectively administer healthcare to the entire nation if they can't even handle a couple million vets? I know it's not completely apples to apples, but the point remains. Vets have waited months and literally DIED waiting to even be seen, and these are the people you would gladly trust your health to?
    this would be a fair point if universal healthcare wasn't successful in every other modern nation, including heavily populated countries like britain
    So let's all vote for Trump and make the euro trash pay for their own defense so we can get our own socialism in here

    Of course successful is a very subjective concept. Financially? Medically? Wait times? Death panels?
    we spend the most per capita for worse outcomes. so the first 2 are certainly yes's. wait times, don't know enough to say. death panels? I think the shit the free market does that Obamacare (with all its issues) stopped applies doesn't it?
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113



    So let's all vote for Trump and make the euro trash pay for their own defense so we can get our own socialism in here

    Of course successful is a very subjective concept. Financially? Medically? Wait times? Death panels?

    Financially yes:

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    Medically yes:

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    Wait times...depends:

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    Universal seems to be better for day-to-day and emergency visits, though worse for non-emergency surgeries (knee, hip etc.) You can argue much of the difference comes from the demand...people in UH systems can afford the surgery, while a smaller percentage elect to have the procedure in the US.

    Death Panels...is it 2008 again?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    Death panels like everything else we said was bad at Obamacare are inevitable. The VA already has them. They just call it dying while waiting to see a doctor.

    It is 2008 again and the left is lying about healthcare again.

    Obamacare is a disaster and we told you and you took the same smart ass approach. You were wrong
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    Death panels like everything else we said was bad at Obamacare are inevitable. The VA already has them. They just call it dying while waiting to see a doctor.

    It is 2008 again and the left is lying about healthcare again.

    Obamacare is a disaster and we told you and you took the same smart ass approach. You were wrong

    You are parroting shit that Palin literally made up almost a decade ago. It centered around a line in the bill that allowed physicians to counsel patients on the option of omitting from cancer care. You know, shit that people have elected to do since cancer care has existed.

    If we are making shitty metaphors, the unaffordability of medical care is the ultimate death panel. Are you going to leave your family in debt when you reach full blown aids?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    I'm parroting myself. Of course it won't be called a Death Panel but it will act the same. Rationing of healthcare HAS to happen under Obamacare or other government systems. It is a stone cold fucking fact.

    Obama himself admitted it.

    Why should we believe you again? Did we keep our doctors? Did we save 2500 a year? It's all bullshit

    Insurance was great for 81% of Americans before Obamacare. You could write a check to cover the rest at far less cost and without fucking it up for people that HAD great insurance

    And it only gets worse. It is designed to go into full effect after the asshole leaves office
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    OZONE said:

    How are these two things related?

    Does if bother you that you want to wipe a country off the earth that has universal health care?

    I'm asking if the people here, that hate our tax dollars going to universal health care (here), care that our tax dollars are going to help subsidize universal health care in Israel?

    Let me dumb it down for you. If it is good enough to spend our tax dollars on in Israel, why isn't it good to spend our tax dollars on in the US?
    Let me dumb it down for Ozone. We give Israel money to kill rag heads and stay alive. Obingo wants all that to stop and Israel to get wiped out. How do you fell about that?
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter
    Sledog said:

    OZONE said:

    How are these two things related?

    Does if bother you that you want to wipe a country off the earth that has universal health care?

    I'm asking if the people here, that hate our tax dollars going to universal health care (here), care that our tax dollars are going to help subsidize universal health care in Israel?

    Let me dumb it down for you. If it is good enough to spend our tax dollars on in Israel, why isn't it good to spend our tax dollars on in the US?
    Let me dumb it down for Ozone. We give Israel money to kill rag heads and stay alive. Obingo wants all that to stop and Israel to get wiped out. How do you fell about that?
    Damnit Sledog! We were having an enjoyable, lighthearted conversation about death panels, and then you had to go and shit on the rug!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    OZONE said:

    How are these two things related?

    Does if bother you that you want to wipe a country off the earth that has universal health care?

    I'm asking if the people here, that hate our tax dollars going to universal health care (here), care that our tax dollars are going to help subsidize universal health care in Israel?

    Let me dumb it down for you. If it is good enough to spend our tax dollars on in Israel, why isn't it good to spend our tax dollars on in the US?
    Let me dumb it down for Ozone. We give Israel money to kill rag heads and stay alive. Obingo wants all that to stop and Israel to get wiped out. How do you fell about that?
    Damnit Sledog! We were having an enjoyable, lighthearted conversation about death panels, and then you had to go and shit on the rug!
    I'm incontinent!
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,072
    Sledog said:

    OZONE said:

    How are these two things related?

    Does if bother you that you want to wipe a country off the earth that has universal health care?

    I'm asking if the people here, that hate our tax dollars going to universal health care (here), care that our tax dollars are going to help subsidize universal health care in Israel?

    Let me dumb it down for you. If it is good enough to spend our tax dollars on in Israel, why isn't it good to spend our tax dollars on in the US?
    Let me dumb it down for Ozone. We give Israel money to kill rag heads and stay alive. Obingo wants all that to stop and Israel to get wiped out. How do you fell about that?
    The gals in the Israeli army are yummy.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Hitler was for universal healthcare and hated Jews.
  • Your_Mom
    Your_Mom Member Posts: 393
    The Israelis favor universal healthcare and hate Hitler. What's your point?
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Hitler must have been a self-hating Jew.
  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989

    It's not the same thing. If I'm paying for universal health care here in the USA, then I'm also stuck in a shitty universal health care system when I want to go see a doctor.

    That's like asking if it bothers me if my friend uses the $50 Applebee's gift card I got him on their shitty pasta. I don't give a fuck what it's spent on if I've already decided to give him the money.

    It doesn't have to be shitty. Look at any Western European country for example.
    Thanks for the heads up. The next time I visit Western Europe, I'll be sure to eat at Applebee's.