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4 x Coach of Year and 3 x World Series Champ Weighs In

HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,532
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La Russa points out MLB's efforts in expanding black participation in baseball and points out that it's also in MLB's best interests to do so.

And he basically calls Kaepernick a walking circus:

espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17549357/mlb-hall-famer-tony-la-russa-questions-adam-jones-comment-questions-colin-kaepernick-sincerity
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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    Suppressing one of the few remaining good black MLB players is a great way to get more black MLB players.

    Everybody says so.
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    Leach has been Cougar coach of the year 4 straight years. I thought this was about him
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,816
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    Suppressing one of the few remaining good black MLB players is a great way to get more black MLB players.

    Everybody says so.

    Please tell me exactly where LaRussa is wrong Boobs?

    To claim that baseball is not a diverse sport (which is essentially what Jones is saying) is completely missing the mark ... add up African American players + Latino players + Pacific Rim players and you have a significantly diverse team makeup.

    Harold Reynolds made a comment on MLB Network just now that essentially said that he was the only African American player on his team a lot of times. But if you go back to 1989 and take a look at the 9 hitter "starting lineup" for the Seattle Mariners and you'll find that 6 of the 9 typical starters were African American.

    LaRussa is 100% accurate that the larger issue right now is opportunity particularly in the inner city. Between the game not being a choice of kids growing up as well as how the game at the youth levels have shifted (not just in baseball but in a number of sports) towards elite and select teams at youth levels that isolate based on $$$, there are issues that need to be reconciled.

    I know this isn't popular to some, but the reality to me is that IF you really want something bad enough, you'll find the way to put the work in to achieve your goals.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,219
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    Harold Reynolds is from fucking Corvallis. There were probably many times when OSU was on break where he was the only brutha in his entire town.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,287
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    Harold Reynolds is from fucking Corvallis. There were probably many times when OSU was on break where he was the only brutha in his entire town.

    What about when Jason Shelly was in town?
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,219
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    Harold Reynolds is from fucking Corvallis. There were probably many times when OSU was on break where he was the only brutha in his entire town.

    What about when Jason Shelly was in town?
    Technically, Harold Reynolds is white anyway so we are going to throw the whole question out.
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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    PurpleJ said:

    Maybe black people as a whole are just hipper than the rest of America and figured out that baseball is an uncool fag sport for nancy boys.

    well they as hell ain't playing your beloved divegrass instead
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    TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
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    PurpleJ said:

    Maybe black people as a whole are just hipper than the rest of America and figured out that baseball is an uncool fag sport for nancy boys.

    Bingo.

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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    It's too expensive and too organized to become popular in the inner cities right now.
    Compare that with it being a slow sport that isn't gonna appeal to a wide demographic and that you need to spend 3/4 years in the minor leagues to often even get a shot to play in the majors and make some money you can see why black participation has dropped
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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    it's not just the game though. it used to be the game of choice for a good 20-30 years into the 80's. A good portion of the problem is the conservative nature of baseball that jones was hinting at. it exists just like it does in golf, albeit to a lesser extent with baseball
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,637
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    dhdawg said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Maybe black people as a whole are just hipper than the rest of America and figured out that baseball is an uncool fag sport for nancy boys.

    well they as hell ain't playing your beloved divegrass instead
    Pele is black.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,287
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    PurpleJ said:

    dhdawg said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Maybe black people as a whole are just hipper than the rest of America and figured out that baseball is an uncool fag sport for nancy boys.

    well they as hell ain't playing your beloved divegrass instead
    Pele is black.
    Most of the teams from Africa are too. Weird
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,637
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    dhdawg said:

    It's too expensive and too organized to become popular in the inner cities right now.
    Compare that with it being a slow sport that isn't gonna appeal to a wide demographic and that you need to spend 3/4 years in the minor leagues to often even get a shot to play in the majors and make some money you can see why black participation has dropped

    Hi there. Poor kids in the latin countries are doing just fine.
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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    PurpleJ said:

    dhdawg said:

    It's too expensive and too organized to become popular in the inner cities right now.
    Compare that with it being a slow sport that isn't gonna appeal to a wide demographic and that you need to spend 3/4 years in the minor leagues to often even get a shot to play in the majors and make some money you can see why black participation has dropped

    Hi there. Poor kids in the latin countries are doing just fine.
    Expense is a factor. it's still the #1 sport there so of course they get around it.
    they also aren't playing on 2000$ travel teams
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,637
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    Same tired argument that soccer fans make as to why inner city blacks don't play here. Until they realize that kids in Africa and South America kick around grapefruits and rolled up newspapers on dirt fields and shit. They do just fine.

    Football and basketball also have expensive travel teams here. Doesn't stop the "poor" black kids.

    Baseball just isn't that popular of a sport in America.
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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    PurpleJ said:

    Same tired argument that soccer fans make as to why inner city blacks don't play here. Until they realize that kids in Africa and South America kick around grapefruits and rolled up newspapers on dirt fields and shit. They do just fine.

    Football and basketball also have expensive travel teams here. Doesn't stop the "poor" black kids.

    Baseball just isn't that popular of a sport in America.

    depends on what you consider popular? as popular as football or basketball? no. popular enough to get fans in ballparks 162 games and generate enough revenue to pay even average guys 10 million a year? yes
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    dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
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    baseball is done trying to be a national powerhouse like the NFL cause it isn't.
    On a regional and local level it's doing fine.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    doogie said:

    Leach has been Cougar coach of the year 4 straight years. I thought this was about him

    I might be in the minority on this board, but I think Leach is a good coach; definitely in the top half of the conference, or at least at #6. His air raid attack and consistent coaching philosophy will net him 6-8 wins every year, which will make coogs ecstatic. In my mind, it takes an impressive coach to do that in Pullman. He definitely does fuck up on occasion, ala their bowl game against CSU. But still, he's better than 95% of the coaches they could get to sign a contract on the Palouse.
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    HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,532
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    Bingo.

    No one can force anyone to play a sport but it's smart of MLB to expand participation since nearly all young players are future paying fans.

    As someone else mentioned, it was the only big sport around for decades; I'd say from the 1910's through the 60's (so participation and interest were bound to decline over the years after other pro sports started).

    The Super Bowl only started in 1967 and the NBA & ABA only merged in 1976. Of course Magic and Bird joining the league in 1979 and MJ just a few years later helped the NBA soar in popularity.

    The graph below also shows that the percentage of blacks in MLB started to notably decline in the mid / late 90's, after the NFL and NBA had been gaining in popularity with them for a couple of decades. I would also suspect that the growing percentage of latinos in the 80's and 90's (now 17% of the USA population) filled the gap (along with greater international scouting since Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, and Mexico all have robust leagues...even Cuba too).

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    PurpleJ said:

    Same tired argument that soccer fans make as to why inner city blacks don't play here. Until they realize that kids in Africa and South America kick around grapefruits and rolled up newspapers on dirt fields and shit. They do just fine.

    Football and basketball also have expensive travel teams here. Doesn't stop the "poor" black kids.

    Baseball just isn't that popular of a sport in America.

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